Just bought TOEE a few days ago, my thoughts:

Character creation was good, you get to choose race, class, gender, height, alignment, Deity, features, feats, skills, spells, portrait, and voice. there is two ways to get your hitpoints: 1- rolling (can re-roll), 2- start with 8 points in each and the assign a pool of 25. I believe that you only get to advance to level 10.

game play is done with the radial dial style and has a large amount of options to it. movement is done with scrolling or arrow keys and mouse click. graphics are very good, a lot of details. combat is turn based and slow. the whole game seems to be slow except when loading and saving. when you enter combat you do enter combat automatically, i find myself liking it so far. music is good, a catchy tone. many npc's do talk.

This is my first game review of this kind so I am sorry if not to indepth. If you ask specific questions about TOEE I will do my best to answer them.
Check these 5 screen shots out, they are on one page and are 800x600 each.

TOEE screen shots

damn, those pics look nice, I might find myself getting that too. looks great!


nice, thanks for the update. glad you got it? how's it measure up to <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/div.gif" alt="" />?

let us know more of the game when u're deeper in it, goldy. i await your in depth review.

yeah, especially since getting the demo takes FOREVER!! I'll just go buy the game and save me the time. it's like 800 something MB thats alot of space! And as with any good game...i've heard rumors good and bad....the bad is what worries me ...of coarse...i heard the game has some bugs in it...i'm just wondering if they are any worse than they were in Divine Divinity...i mean.. DD in itself gave me and run for my money..because before i played it i didn't really know much about computers..but i still mangaged to beat the game...weird ending but other than that..not TOO many bugs that i couldn't fix.

--Danielle (yes keep us informed...i WANT this game) <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/cry.gif" alt="" />

The game is for Hardcore dnd players only.This game is more of a dungeon crawl then anything with an emphasis on charecter building.Also i do not reccomend buying this game till a patch is released as it has massive bug problems.Atari rushed the manufactuer of the game and told them if it wasnt out by such an such a date that it would cancel publishing.So the game got put on store shelves with it being undertested and knowing to have bugs and i mean alot of them.I bought it before i found out and liked the game very much until the bugs started showing themselves.Plus another thing i do not like is unless you run the game at 800/600 res the charecters are very very small to look at.If they get a decent patch for it i will say without a doubt that as far as charecter developing goes this game may be the best ever.

thanks, Bane - I ordered it already ... I'm used to restart a game <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/puppyeyes.gif" alt="" />
Kiya

Is there any official info page about the game ?

Some links:

Atari.com

TOEE page

Atari Forums been here just to check out the forum and it is NOT as nice a place as we have here.

There are no udates/ patches at this time for TOEE.




So far I would have to say that it ranks right up there for graphics, I only have four quest right now but I hope there will be tons more, character creation I am sorry to say out matches Divinity because of all the choices you have. The general game interface is easy to figure out and get used to, so is the combat system. More thoughts will follow.

As for it being full of bugs, I have not had any problems yet (knock on wood), but even if I do I will over come them and there will be a patch out as with all games, no matter how much testing is done before a game is released there are always bugs.

I payed $50.00US and will get my monies worth out of the game, unless <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/riftrunner.gif" alt="" /> is released very soon.

Go out and get the game if you played pen&paper D&D and enjoy. I am.

Theres a big difference between a game having bugs and a game having massive bugs where it makes it nearly impossible to even finish the game.You have only done 4 quests so why your reccomending it playing it such a short time is beyond me.By the time they comeout with a patch the game will probably sell for 15-20 bucks cheaper and your better off waiting to buy till the patch comes out.it is not a finished game till the patch is released.
NOBODY buy this game without the patch being released!! The monsters appearing "out-of-bounds" after resting, certainly was a surprise encounter indeed. The overall game is good, and performs better as an AD&D combat simulator than IWD or BG, but in its' present state, it's anything but a satisfactory gaming experience. Early buyers beware... again wait for the official patch before getting this game.

thanks for the comments

http://www.ataricommunity.com/forum...6cbddb96446ca042&threadid=321648 doesn't look to nice.


hmm, well, I might get it after RRR, but RRR will have a better starting choice for character's too <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/winkwink.gif" alt="" />

And, our Larians ar picking their own publishers! Control = perfection! Nobody is gonna push Larian to release <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/riftrunner.gif" alt="" /> befor it's ready! Wouldn't it just be wonderfull to have a game that doesn't need a patch? I was looking at TOEE, but I think I will wait for more of Goldies reveiw!

miracles do happen!!

I just can't help myself...i will STILL have to buy the game! Even if i'm still fiddiling around with it...at least i can still OWN the game while i'm waiting for this official patch...and personally i've tried patches before and it didn't do squat for me...if i run into any serious problems though...well hey...this IS a forum, right?

--Danielle (is an impulse buyer)

There's an unofficial patch out, by the way.

Here's what I think of it so far:

- Graphics: Nice. I like the pretty pre-rendered 2D stuff; it has excellent atmosphere that reminds me pleasantly of the IE games. The avatars are a bit blocky and faceless, though. But hey, that's what you get in most 2D isometric games. I'll have this over blocky 3D graphics any time, any given day.

- Sound and music: Nothing spectacular. The music is negligible. Usually I only hear grunts and swords clanging, that kind of thing. Makes me miss IWD's music. Or DD's, for that matter. The kind of soundtrack you would want to listen to outside the game. ToEE just doesn't have that.

- Writing: I'm sorry, here, but frankly the dialogue and writing overall are deserving of scorn. It is bland, hackneyed to gag-worthy in places, and doesn't feel natural in others. Was the budget limited on the writing department? I'm not expecting the quality of literature writing (mind you, for me, the definition of "literature" is debatable, but I digress), but I do expect it to be better than juniour high level. (Or is that an insult to junior high students? Ah, well.)

- Roleplaying: I'm sad to say that there isn't much of this, at least not as much as I expected. I admire the fact that alignment affects the beginning, but investing in skills like diplomacy seems to be a waste of time. Okay, so I was expecting something similar to what is seen in Lionheart's Barcelona area, where my character could bribe, bluff, lie, and cheat her way through. Not to mention talking bosses out of a fight. (And still get the same amount of XP as fighting the critter, if not more.) Maybe this isn't fair, considering the original ToEE is all about dungeon crawl, but didn't Tim Cain tout this game to possess "roleplaying opportunities"?

- Combat: It's turn-based, but quite fast-paced - a pleasant surprise. I actually enjoy the combat, and that's saying a lot for someone who can't tolerate the sluggishness of turn-based combat. It's also complex and sticks faithfully to D&D rules.

- Character creation: This is one of the game's strengths, although some of it feels a little pointless. If you aren't a cleric, the choice of deity doesn't really affect anything.

- Interface: I don't like radial menus. At all. It's bearable, but can be bloody awkward at times. Otherwise, though, it's easy to use.

- Bugs: So far, I haven't been bitten by anything major. The screen went black with white stripes on me twice, but reloading remedied that. At times the game lags and slows down for no good reason, even though my machine more than easily surpasses the minimum -- even the recommended -- requirements. (P4 2.8 GHZ, 800 mHZ bus, Geforce FX 5200 128 MB, 512 RAM. Yeah, it's nothing uber, but it can run most newer games just fine.) That, and the fact that toggling combat off doesn't seem to work nine times out of ten.

- Hardcore D&D: I'm not too sure about that. I know my bits of D&D, but I think that even without the geekdom, you can enjoy the game just fine.

- Overall: This is turning to be an experience very similar to IWD. Nice hack'n'slash, but not quite the text-heavy Planescape:Torment, or even the first part of LH. Okay. I can live with that. I didn't have that high an expectation of this game, after all.

Now, waiting for Riftrunner and KoTOR.

it seems very niiiiiice. Very well.... do someone know the official site of ths game?

Francesco

http://www.greyhawkgame.com/

As to the unofficial patch. As there is an official one in the making also, would that mean the two of them are incompatible?

What's a radial menu?

A Menu looking like a wheel. Presented in some screenshots.


By the way I find this interesing <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/winkwink.gif" alt="" /> :

Aha. Had something like Tomb Raider in mind... <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/think.gif" alt="" />



That be about the average of visitors I get a day at my fansite... cough... <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/rolleyes.gif" alt="" />

Most users online where? <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/think.gif" alt="" />

The unofficial patch comes with an uninstaller, so when the official one comes out, you'd have no worries.

EDIT: By the way, for those who wonder, I've got the full game, hence the mini-review. Plus, the unofficial patch seems to be working pretty well, though it doesn't fix the monster-stuck-in-the-wall thing. Alas.

thanks for sharing your thoughts onthe game, winterfox. so, i don't have to fear the greyhawk game, non-D&D geeks can still apply. <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/biggrin.gif" alt="" />

a question: is it as 'hardcore' as NWN? i've finished that game but still not knowing at least half of the system. u can say i'm one lucky broasted 2 finish it without knowing the system fully. heck, i forgot what saving throw means already! <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/ouch.gif" alt="" />

Well...

The combat, as I've said, is quite complex. You don't exactly need to calculate attack rolls and DC, but you have to know what does what. For instance, if you're playing "real" D&D, throwing a fireball will burn up your Web spell. This is the case in ToEE, unlike in NWN or other Infinity Engine games. Things like initiative count, especially since it's turn-based as opposed to the real-time combat encountered in IE games and NWN.

It's definitely more hardcore than NWN. If anything, NWN's implementation of 3E rules is pretty lenient, and not very faithful at that. If you ask most people, they'll tell you that NWN isn't "hardcore" at all. ToEE, on the other hand, is currently seen as the most "hardcore D&D" CRPG.

Plus, the game's based on a low-level module. You won't see all that many magical items (though my party still does end up pretty rich pretty early on), and the most advanced spells you are going to cast are of fifth level. Nope, no Timestop, no Shapechange, and no Dragon's Breath here. Forget about +5 Vorpal Holy Avenger, too. Mithral Field Plate +5? Zilch. (The best items I've seen so far are, well, masterwork items. But I haven't set foot in the temple yet.)

In spite of these, though, you might be surprised to see that ToEE has more skills and feats. Craft Wondrous Items, Craft Magic Arms and Armor, Brew Potion, Bless Water spell, Slippery Mind -- all of these, and more, are expected in any standard 3E D&D game. NWN doesn't have any of them. ToEE does. This ain't DD or Diablo or SPECIAL; it's more complicated, or, as some people might say, cumbersome. (I, of course, disagree. DD/Diablo systems are just too simple.)

I'll have to say, here, that I'm fairly familiar with D&D -- if not in pen&paper form -- thanks to having access to a lot of rulebooks and other material for research purposes, in addition to having played every IE game. So I delightedly jumped into ToEE and had little difficulty; I'm not a good example of how "hard" the learning curve is. Maybe someone else will have something to say? (Because most of the people I've seen reviewing ToEE are somewhat familiar with D&D already.)

Bottom line: just "a bit familiar with D&D" will get you by just fine.

wow, thanks for the prompt reply, winterfox. so who says a dudette can't teach a dude (especially a low level one like me) a thing or two?

another question: this time it's stupid.

what's IE? <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/confused.gif" alt="" />

Oh...

Sorry. Please let me slap myself. I thought everyone was as geeky as I am. <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/winkwink.gif" alt="" />

IE = Infinity Engine = BG, IWD, PS:T, BG2, IWDII

i know snippets of the actual D&D rules...but i havn't exactly played the game at all! I simply must ask..it's killing me? How big is the ToEE manuel when you buy the game? Me likes the big ones!

--Danielle <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/winkwink.gif" alt="" />

The manual? As big and as thick as NWN's, or thereabouts.

Unique visitors or hits?

Unique hits!

I think...

Looked at your counter, it says something different so I was just wondering.

And I thought that "cough" would've made it clear enough <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/biggrin.gif" alt="" />

I was kidding, Myrthos <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/winkwink.gif" alt="" />

i'm looking at that manual right now..it's about an inch and a half thick...hmm..i think it could do better than that for a bit of light reading.
<img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/winkwink.gif" alt="" />

--Danielle

or Internet Explorer!

being in the engineering field, i always thought of it as Industrial Electronics.

I guess everyone has there own idea of what IE means <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/winkwink.gif" alt="" />

Eh, it's all about context.

In any case, regarding ToEE...

My party's now got the location of the temple. I haven't even done much in Nulb; this is a bad sign. I don't feel like touching the city and doing silly quests anymore; the dialogue, quests, and NPCs are that dull. Every single one of the quests involves a lot of running back and forth, back and forth, from one NPC to another. At some point, I think I'll just slaughter all the NPCs and be done with it.

ahh..but running back and forth is the best part! Wait, are you an evil character?

--Danielle (lawful mage) <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/mage.gif" alt="" />

My party's chaotic neutral. In the earth temple now. I'll soon go back to Hommlet and Nulb, slaughter everyone, leaving a select few to trade with.

what!? you mean you won't lose reputation points..or do you care <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/cry.gif" alt="" />

--Danielle

There's a "reputations" section in the logbook. I believe that if you massacre Hommlet villagers, you will get a title "Butcherer of Hommlet." Seems like something to aspire to. I wonder if there's a "Butcherer of Nulb," too?

By the way, I've ventured into the Earth temple and, to my disappointment, found no challenge so far. My party's already eighth-level. =/

Bottom line: quests aren't worth it. Slaughter everyone. You'll end up with more XP and more satisfaction anyway. <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/biggrin.gif" alt="" />

winterfox, do u mean there are non-violent quests in ToEE? & just how bad are they if compared to lionheart's non-violent quests (which to me is the best part of lionheart)?

maybe u can give us an example, if u can think of one right now.

If you want me to be honest, the non-violent quests in ToEE can't hold a candle to the ones in LH.

SPOILER

Example:

1. This woman thinks that farmer, whose wife died some time ago, ought to get a new wife. You go off to talk.
2. Talk to the wife-to-be. Problems ensue. Go talk to the carpenter.
3. Carpenter won't work for you. You have to get him permission to convert to another religion.
4. Priest refuses to let him convert. Priest wants another follower to replace carpenter. Go talk to the leather-maker.
5. Leather-maker won't convert to priest's religion (St. Cuthbert) unless he sees a miracle, i.e., could you heal his brother-in-law's mental retardation please.
6. Go back to priest. Priest can do squat. What do you do now? Oh, steal a scroll of Heal from the priest's cabinet.
7. Use scroll on leather-maker's in-law. Tell leather-maker, "Here's your miracle from St. Cuthbert." Leather-maker converts.
8. Run back to priest. Priest gives permission.
9. Run back to carpenter. Carpenter will now build a barn for the wife-to-be.
10. Wife-to-be gets a barn as dowry. Farmer and woman marry.

It was tedious, boring, and unrewarding. If the dialogue/writing/story were more engaging, I might have enjoyed the ordeal more. But as it is, ugh, no thanks.

By the way, I just wiped out the first dungeon in the temple and meet practically no obstacle. A lot of the enemies are too stupid to recognize that my party of intrepid adventurers are here to kill them -- even after I've massacred maybe a dozen or two of their brethen. One of the battles even looked promising -- four guards, a big earth elemental, and a medium earth elemental. The sad fact is that it took only a few rounds to end the battle, and there were four chests to loot, each full of gold, platinum, and other assorted treasure. I feel cheated. The next levels better have a big bad surprise for me.

maybe some people after playing so many RPGs for awhile just start to get sooo good that as they go, other games just seem boring and short...maybe that's why some people retire from gaming...just a guess...in short...maybe your so good that you don't even realize it's hard..and hint, hint..is there a way you can raise the difficulty level? what level are you playing at now?

--Danielle

Alas no. There's no difficulty slider.

I guess it could be that I've become so accustomed to D&D and isometric RPGs that I don't find anything challenging anymore, but really, in every game, no challenge is left after a while. Think DD.

LH's combat is still a tough nut to crack, though, even though I'm in the later half of the game.

in lionheart i'm almost to the end. now in the desert & going meet with the end boss but i have to deal with his assasins first. no match for my unarmed slayer feralkin. the end part really reminds me of DD's wastelands; desolate & only 3 NPC's to interact (one as a dumb companion, another being the vendor & the last one as a poor excuse of dialogue which leads to an obvious fight).

SPOILER!















I've been told that you can talk your way out of, yes, the final battle. If it were true, I'd almost forgive all of LH's flaws.

Winterfox, seems like you are almost thro with ToEE already. I have not played it for several days now, been busy. I am going to try and get some playing done this weekend and I hope I don't get disappointed as you seem to have been. Sorry.

I'm not so much disappointed as disillusioned. When I started, hell, the combat was hard, and combat is the only thing that saves ToEE from being a total failure, IMO. Plus, now that I'm in the Temple of Hackneyed Evil, bugs are popping up more frequently. Pathfinding is more horrible than that of the IE games, if you can believe it.

Only 2 things bug me so far: Mouse and darkness, but I'm only in Nulb now, lvl 3. Did all 20 quests in Hommlet, cleared the Moathouse, Meadows, Spider Cove and am waiting to get killed again in that fishing spot <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/biggrin.gif" alt="" />.
It's a bother having to tamper with gamma in my PC settings - and as soon as I've done TOEE, I'll delete this Logitech stuff. I've always hated it, but seems to be the only thing that helps.

As for pathfinding: I'm used to that from BG, they were pretty stupid also - though I recall a position I could edit it there. Well, I'm taking my time and hoping the patch will help me when I reach the temple (it's already on my map) - but I'm not going to commit suicide with my lvl 3 group <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/winkwink.gif" alt="" />
Kiya

Oy vey. You are so going to be killed by the big fish. And there're other enemies in the fishing area. One of them has a CR of, what, 8?

By the time I finished Hommlet, I was level six or so. XP harvesting is so fun.

Pathfinding: Yes, it was stupid in BG. It is stupider in ToEE. (If you try to click on a point on the map where there's a wall/river/other obstacle between the point and your party, the game would freeze for a second to calculate the pathfinding. And that should not happen at all. No, my machine's not a crappy PIII or something. It's way, way above the minimum - and recommended - requirement.)

Big fish? Big fish? I can't even survive that large frog <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/biggrin.gif" alt="" /> - he eats my warrior <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/delight.gif" alt="" /> - well, I'm at a low level because I avoided those random encounters and I'm playing with 8 - eats up XP.

Yes, I already noticed those mouse freezes and the laggy mouse, can't tell you how often one of my members hit another one from the group. But I'm patient <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/biggrin.gif" alt="" /> - and used to reloading.

I know it's not your PC - you have 512 MB memory, correct? Well, even my 1024 doesn't help me against this memory leak <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/biggrin.gif" alt="" /> - maybe I do have to level up with those random encounters, but they're a bit boring for me, I play because of the quests not the fights (errh, though I love to loot my NPC afterwards <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/evilgrin1.gif" alt="" /> )

Are you playing with NPC? I'm still fighting with myself if I should sacrifice my only male fighter and have him marry Fruella. So far, I just couldn't be that cruel <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/delight.gif" alt="" />. And I have to get Zert killed first then. Only Spugnor leaves my group peacefully, Zert starts to fight. And I want to keep Elmo, I love his drunken stumbling, same goes for the monk ballett my female monk does. Have you got a monk? Their feats crack me up in combat <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/delight.gif" alt="" />
Kiya

"I've been told that you can talk your way out of, yes, the final battle. If it were true, I'd almost forgive all of LH's flaws." winterfox

it is true, as it's in the official walkthrough. but then they lied about lionheart being great & all that. anyway, with enough speech skill & charisma, i think, u can talk the guy out of doing what he wanted 2 do.

"Pathfinding: Yes, it was stupid in BG. It is stupider in ToEE. (If you try to click on a point on the map where there's a wall/river/other obstacle between the point and your party, the game would freeze for a second to calculate the pathfinding. And that should not happen at all. No, my machine's not a crappy PIII or something. It's way, way above the minimum - and recommended - requirement.)" winterfox

heck this is true in lionheart as well. if u try to click anywhere or anything with some kind of obstacle in between, everything will slow down due to what i think is AI trying to calculate pathetically how to walk around.

dang! lionheart's like a bad accident. it's horrible but u can't take your attention away from it.

Janggut: Actually, I've never had lag in LH. It's fairly bug-free for me. Amazing, eh? About talking the final boss out of a fight -- whee! Then my investment in speech skill hasn't been in vain! (And it did, after all, get me out of a fight with a daeva.)

Kiya said:



Heh, I went out of my way to engage random encounters.



I'm the exact opposite. The quests are (IMO, mind) so very, very dull. The dialogue is so very, very unengaging. Hence, I'm killing everything that walks outside Hommlet and Nulb. (Actually, I've already killed Otis the blacksmith. He has interesting loot. Someone told me that he's got a CR of 10, but he sure doesn't look it. Oh, he had lots of HP, but he died rather quickly, and none of my characters was even remotely hurt. Disappointing.)



No. They all suck to some degree, and half the bugs I've heard about are associated with them.

I'm playing LG - even one little fib turns my paladin into a fallen one (I thought I could lie about converting <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/biggrin.gif" alt="" /> )- so I can't kill or wipe out Hommlet etc. I've never liked butchering, therefore I can't play your alignment. But I believe for those enjoying the evil side this game gives more options to have fun, hm?

Oh, there were dialogues where I had to laugh (where I made the miller donate to both fractions, because of the "balance and all that" <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/badsmile2.gif" alt="" /> ). Winterfox, I originally come from the adventure game side, therefore I don't mind this running from A ->B ->C ->A to solve a quest by talking. So TOEE serves both sides then IMO, the quest chatters or the fight fans. What I enjoy most is all that crafting and scribing, suits my hoarding heart <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/biggrin.gif" alt="" /> - and I like the 2D graphics there, I'm oldfashioned probably <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/shame.gif" alt="" />.

No, don't want to kill Otis, I've got his brother in my group, feel bad about having to kill little Elmo then. And I need him for masterwork items.

As you play with 5 and not with 8 = this explains your higher levels. I'm level 4 now, though I guess I'll reload. I've got Fruella in my group now and she's annoying. Not because of the loot, I rob her off her money then, but because of her attitude: I wish a devote yes and obeying orders instead of a bickering spinster <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/badsmile2.gif" alt="" /> - the problem is, with my LG group I don't have enough options to recruit NPC, most are evil and my paladin is somewhat picky in that <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/winkwink.gif" alt="" /> - as long as she doesn't bully my dwarven fighter (her husband) I might tolerate her, don't know about further random speech options in that direction so far.

As I'm not in the temple yet, I enjoy the game, though I just had a fight again, where the laggy mouse made me hit my own comrades, grr. Let's see if I can kill that froggy now (holding animal?) - if not? I hope he grapples Fruella <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/badsmile2.gif" alt="" /> - I was able to kill the hill giant and the bear just by entangling and missile weapons at lvl 3, so maybe I'm lucky this time.
Kiya, off to kill/reloading again and hoping for that official patch

Forgot: The only "crash" I had so far was a registration question after a boss fight - I nearly got a heart attack because I hadn't saved and stared at the black screen, but all went well, I could return after that. (I believe, this method is unfair!)

How accurate is the game to the novel?





I hope this isn't true cause that would annoy me to such an extent that I will not buy another game from them .
I mean to have non-game material interupt your game-play would just infuriate me. Pretty soon they might have advertisments in the middle of a game or at a certain point. <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/ouch.gif" alt="" /> <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/down.gif" alt="" /> <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/down.gif" alt="" /> <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/down.gif" alt="" />

Well, Virgo, I'm not making this up. I had my boss fight in the Moathouse and wanted to report to the mage in Hommlet (clicked on him to speak). And then this happened! I postponed registration and was on the desktop, but my TOEE.exe was in my taskbar, I could return. I don't know if this is a bug or done on purpose though.
The 2nd problem happened now 3 times with trolls: The fighting routine didn't go on, I couldn't even reload, had to use CTRL+ALT+DEL (we call it vulture's claw in German = Geierkralle)
Kiya

But it's still fun for me.

You mean like movies already do, with strategically placed billboards, a car crashing into a truck with a logo painted on it, etc?


+ Welcome to the Ducal inn, would you like a Duff Beer?
- Actually, an acquaintance suggested I ask you about joining the thieves' guild

+ Shh, keep your voice down. Well then, would you like to hear about the guild, or have a Duff Beer first?
- The guild information.

+ Excellent choice. Guild members receive a 15% discount off Duff Beer.
+ First you must pass a test though. See that drunk over there? Bring his necklace back to me without him noticing. I have arranged for a mage to try to decipher its mysterious inscription; "Intel Inside". ...


RiftRunner could have FedEx quests that really are FedEx quests... <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/biggrin.gif" alt="" />

i HATE being 16, already! I thought being older would be cool...well, i guess i'll have to lay of ToEE until i'm either 17 or my mom gets over the fact that it's really M rated! I think that rating on the ToEE box was a typo..i mean, i was sooo happy today cuz i knew i was going to get ToEE but when we got to the register..ok, this is weird..you all will have to tell me if this has ever happened to you...but the lady ran the game through the checking counter and it made this weird beeping sound and she said i had to be 17 or get permission from my parents to play it..that is so WHACK! I was so ticked off! It's a common rule in my household that you can't play games unless they are T or below rated..yeah, my mom is a therapist that works with children <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/rolleyes.gif" alt="" />
she knew i was looking forward to this game..so she's giving me another chance to get it..she's going to look up what makes the game so M rated and the first thing she sees is all the problems people have been having with it since it's so buggy...so now she's not going to let me get it until she sees that the patch is out or if she sees anything bad about the game..but can i ask you a question? ok, i will! Why do you think the game might be M rated? is it cursing or something else? I really want to get this game..please reply!

--Danielle <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/cry.gif" alt="" />

I'm no more T rated, but M instead. <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/tongue.gif" alt="" />

16+ on my box.
You can have one gay relationship, maybe this?

The brothel in Nulb and all children in Hommlet has been taken out, only accessable with the unofficial patch <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/think.gif" alt="" /> (I haven't installed it, so I don't know why the children could be something bad. IMO they have nothing to do with the brothel.But if you choose the evil path, you can kill them, this is the reason why they were taken out)
Violence can't be it, IIRC ambivalence in your culture is more in direction of sex than of blood. Can't think of anything else.
Maybe the slaughtering of all innocents if you choose the evil path? <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/think.gif" alt="" />
Kiya
I'm out of clues. Wouldn't have noticed it if you hadn't told. Just read the chat log at the Atari forum, they speak ot "T" rating and due to intervention of Hasbro the brothel/kids were taken out - so I don't know why it's still 16+

Is 16+ a Teen rating? I just looked at ebay and it says this:
Publisher: INFOGRAMES
ESRB: Teen

I have to ask this because age rating in Germany is different, we just have the age, no letters. (And German Amazon speaks of 12+ yrs due to German youth protection laws, so this language version will probably have that then)

Well, I just maybe glad that I have not invested to much time in the game yet. With the reviews that evryone has given it maybe I'll put it on the back shelf and wait for the patch, yeh right. That would be like putting my pc in a box and then in the closet and not using it, most unlikely. However I will be wary of all the bugs that you all have had.

Kiya: Yes, I agree with you about ToEE's graphics. I've played a few adventure games myself, really. And even in PS:T, my favourite RPG, there are FedEx quests that require a bit of talking and running around. So what's my problem with ToEE's similar quests? They don't grab my attention and they aren't rewarding. Nothing in the dialogue interests me. Perhaps I've been spoiled by all the IE games.

I've heard about fallen paladins issue. It seems that, even if your paladin isn't committing the deed, the game treats the whole party as a single organism with several bodies. If you marry, well, your whole party is married, too. Amusing, but annoying.

ToEE rating: Uh, that's funny. I didn't notice it myself, and the people at the store I bought it from don't care one way or another. If it's M-rated, that's a tad silly. Heh, DiabloII is M-rated, too, now that I think about it.

Don't remind me... my fighter won the drinking contest... guess who fell and had to pay 5000 gp? <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/badsmile2.gif" alt="" /> - I'll NEVER play paladin again, never <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/delight.gif" alt="" /> - if I attack = fallen. I have to act in self defense first. If I lie a bit about converting: fallen. If I take a "harmless walk to dock"? Guess again...
I hope, I can merrily kill in the temple now. Gosh, I'm sick and tired of this 3.5 paladin. I'm limited to leave quests unsolved or pay.
Quests: I agree about too many run-around quests though - and I'd like to know if my paladin is even more limited than I assume (no Rentsch/Wat/Alira/Pearl dialogue <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/confused.gif" alt="" /> )
Kiya

Now, what is M, please? 16+? I know for what the abbreviation stands, but my box (Engl. version) has just the age - and I don't understand, why online shops sell it for T. I have no kids/brothel in my version, I'm really puzzled. Maybe they made a whole box typo series? <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/confused.gif" alt="" />

I don't know. I thought M = mature. Uhm. 17+ or 18+?

YEAH! I'm so happy now...my mom after awhile started to get annoyed with me for asking her about the game 24/7...so she finally told me to give up and accept defeat...NEVER!! lol, by dad came back from DC today to spend the weekend here..and he is a big fan of D&D games as well...and he believes that if it's my money i can spend it as I choose...so me and him went to wal-mart and i got it! The game so far is pretty impresive..besides the slow scrolling it's pretty awsome! I have started using the arrows to move the screens they seem to make the process go a little faster. Besides that no major bugs so far. i think my dad said we have the processor 1 Giga hertz ...lol..don't ask..i don't even know what that is! Another thing, i think they should've made the characters a little smaller like in Bauldur's Gate..their so big and they have like these HUGE circles around them which make them look retarded..especially the way they run...my dad was laughing at that...i like the smaller characters and circles...but not like Lion Heart either, those characters were WAY to small. But anyways, yeah, i'm not very far yet..i tried to read most of the manuel today..pretty basic stuff...combat was confusing at first in the tutorial...took me 3 times to beat the tutorial! Right now i'm in Hommlet and god the tasks are so LAME! All this running around, back and forth...geesh..please tell me there is alot of combat ahead of me..i'm ready for some action!

--Danielle <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/mage.gif" alt="" /> (I be raven the mage!)

Main fighting at that stage: East Hommlet - guard tower - talk to Burnes and get the task for the moathouse (pretty difficult for low levels), he'll flag it = amuse yourself with fighting, but solve your opening vignette first. Depends on your alignment what that is. Relatively large dungeon

Easier fight: Dekla Grove = go to the woodcutter, house in west Hommlet, he'll flag it for you.

difficult boss fight: Emridys Meadows = go to the north Hommlet temple, get access to upper floor, talk to Tejorn (sp?), he'll flag it for you.

your first tiny "fight": directly south of the temple is a goblin. Keep the ring.

Kiya

i fought the spiders..they were a little tough...kept missing to hit them..finally i managed to kill them both without using potions. I have a mage, paladin, druid, rogue, and a ranger. I think i'll go to the moathouse next...some of these quests seem to break off..what's with that...i'm about to go to a walkthrought guide just to be done with all these lame quests.

--Danielle <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/mage.gif" alt="" />

[color:"yellow"]TOEE walkthrough, click here[/color]

Kiya

Well I drove back to my home town and guess what. I became a victim of my own insanity which happens a lot i might add <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/rolleyes.gif" alt="" /> . Well anyway <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/silly.gif" alt="" /> to make a long story short <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/up.gif" alt="" /> I'll sum it up. I got the game............. for better or worse.

Now proceeding to run through the game with just two character to get some kicks and giggles or laughs <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/winkwink.gif" alt="" />.

The monsters will giggle and laugh <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/winkwink.gif" alt="" /> - are you going for the ironman mode? Happy deaths. <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/evilgrin1.gif" alt="" />
Kiya

hey raven, how did u get your DD game as it's M-rated as well? & don't forget, this forum's M-rated as well. <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/evilgrin1.gif" alt="" />

Divinity is Teen rated. There are different rating systems in different regions, but from the Entertainment Software Rating Board;


The content description on the back of the box for Divinity lists 'violence' and 'blood'.

The PEGI system for age rating:

The age rating groups are 3+, 7+, 12+, 16+ and 18+ and icons. TOEE has the icon of violence.

Valid for these countries:

Austria Belgium Denmark Finland
France Greece Ireland Italy
Luxembourg Netherlands Norway Portugal
Spain Sweden Switzerland UK

So, what will the USA do with the difference between ESRB and PEGI? <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/think.gif" alt="" /> (not to talk about the difference for German rating <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/ouch.gif" alt="" /> -> TOEE is 12+ in Germany )
Kiya

This explains it, I've not got an American version <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/biggrin.gif" alt="" />

I'm so glad that I don't live in the US.

And the fact that my parents never screened the stuff I bought. <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/winkwink.gif" alt="" />

I can't choose or buy the equipment i want for my 2 ironman characters before the adventure begins. <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/eek.gif" alt="" /> <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/eek.gif" alt="" /> <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/memad.gif" alt="" /> <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/memad.gif" alt="" /> <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/memad.gif" alt="" /> <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/memad.gif" alt="" /> <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/memad.gif" alt="" /> <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/memad.gif" alt="" /> <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/memad.gif" alt="" /> <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/memad.gif" alt="" /> <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/memad.gif" alt="" /> <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/memad.gif" alt="" /> <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/ouch.gif" alt="" /> <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/ouch.gif" alt="" /> <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/ouch.gif" alt="" /> <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/ouch.gif" alt="" /> <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/ouch.gif" alt="" /> <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/memad.gif" alt="" /> <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/memad.gif" alt="" /> <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/ouch.gif" alt="" /> <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/ouch.gif" alt="" /> <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/puppyeyes.gif" alt="" /> <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/disagree.gif" alt="" /> <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/disagree.gif" alt="" />

ahhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh

Has anyone else expeienced this or is this, an offical bug.......i tried looking at the support forum <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/puppyeyes.gif" alt="" />

Good luck, Ironman - BTW, I typed Ironman/Equipment in the search section and got this at once <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/winkwink.gif" alt="" />
Kiya

Hommlet is LAME! I skipped most of those dumb quests..the one i'm finding nearly IMPOSSIBLE to finish is the one about the barn and converting all these people...well anyways..i just went to the moat house..super easy so far..the frogs were lame...killed all four without so much as a bruise...oh yeah did i mention i'm only at 2nd level?

--Danielle
P.S. how long do you think it will take me to beat this game?) i don't want it to be too short

you should have been eaten by one of the frogs, i found it funny to actually see since i lost four of six party members in the p&p game.

I place a fild note on the map and boom......... <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/memad.gif" alt="" /> <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/memad.gif" alt="" /> <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/memad.gif" alt="" /> <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/memad.gif" alt="" /> <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/memad.gif" alt="" /> <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/memad.gif" alt="" /> <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/ouch.gif" alt="" /> <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/ouch.gif" alt="" /> <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/ouch.gif" alt="" /> <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/ouch.gif" alt="" />

bye bye game......crashes instantly to the desktop.....how wonderful.
and when things didn't seem brighter since i can't save in the game without quiting or what not, I have no save game to start from. well thats 3 and a half hours down the tube. ahhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh im losing my mind

I had no crashes so far, Virgo, just these strange freezes with trolls, when I came back to kill them instead of finishing them off for the first time.

@Raven: No clue, how long you will take - I finished all quests in Hommlet. Yes, those frogs near the Moathouse are not dangerous - wait, until you meet the Bephemot Bullfrog north of Nulb <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/winkwink.gif" alt="" />. He has CR 6.

How are you faring with the Bugbears?
Kiya

I loved the frogs. They're so cute. Were the frogs in the original PnP module, or were they added in homage to Monte Cook's "Return to..." module?

The great thing about the frogs in Monte's doohickey is that they set the players up. They beat up some frogs and think they're hot stuff. They wander into the courtyard feeling cocky, out comes Big U and... blamo! eyes melt... skin explodes... it's just a hoot.

Anywayses, I finished the game last night in lieu of sleep. Great game. The combat mechanics are very well done, and unlike Pool of Radiance 2, you don't watch zombies walk for 30 minutes before your next opportunity to expose the flawed random number generator by missing yet again. I don't really care how authentic it is, nor do I care about turn-based vs. real-time. All I care about is whether I'm having fun, ya know? And I did. The model animation is really good and fun to just watch.

My only complaints are with the interface. Picking specific objects on the playing surface is difficult, and the lack of configurable gamma and mouse speed made the game physically uncomfortable to play for a 30-something guy who's spent too many years coding. There are pathing issues and the mouse feels like it's being polled for updates so it's sluggish. But I'm sure they're patching all that stuff up right this second.

Also, does it seem to anyone else that the radial menu takes more screen space and is more difficult to read and navigate than a standard menu would be? The words are at an angle, the pie-slice menu items are different sizes on either end making it annoying to have to think about the route your mouse is taking. It's not that it's impossible to use, just that it puts your attention on the interface rather than on playing, while offering no benefits in exchange. I don't like to think about the interface. My hands' muscle-memory should take over after a few hours of playing.

Yes.

I hate radial menus. Very much. One of the reasons I can't stand NWN.

really? i couldn't stand NWN period <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/winkwink.gif" alt="" />

--Danielle

well i finaly finished the moathouse, man i need to play more.

Goldy, I'm curious, what did you do with the boss enemy there? Spared him? Took him into your party? Killed him?
Kiya

whatever you do...DON'T take him into your party and do that quest! He takes you directly to the Temple of Elemental Evil..and trust me...he has..lackys there that are not so easy to beat...yeah, they have relatively low hit points but there are like 20 of them in this one tiny room! So if you value your LIFE don't do that quest yet...just kill him! hehe..you get more out of it that way.

--Danielle

ps..i came back to do that quest after going through Nulb..yeah..at a level 4 and it was still hard...there really wasn't much to do in Nulb surprisingly...i think that town was severely edited...not to meniton you find a gay guy hanging out on the streets that can join your party and the people talking about the brothels and your character being able to trash talk the wenches in the bars...all of this though i thought was pretty funny..haha...that's me for you!

I killed him and took his loot. I'm sure I'll find another way to the Temple...

I took his chain and let him live <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/winkwink.gif" alt="" />
Kiya

there is another way to the temple..well think about it..this is the Temple of Elemental Evil were talking about..the main goal of the game..of course nothing can impede your way to that...it's like end-game...it pretty much automatically becomes accesicible as soon as you start talking around Nulb..i think you have to talk to the blacksmith to get him to add it to your map though..not sure.i can't remember.

--Danielle

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There're at least two ways to the temple:

- Talk to Mother something in Nulb, the one who runs a herb shop.
- Talk to the blacksmith in Nulb.

If you let the cleric lead you to the temple, he'll lead you into a trap. A fight with some low-CR critters, but a big one -- at least two dozens are in the fight, fighters, wizards, archers, etc.

I just let the Cleric go - I could have killed him if the fight had been at one go, but it was interrupted - and if I'm asked to spare someone, I do it. <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/shame.gif" alt="" /> - I guess, my paladin wouldn't have liked him in the group.

Hope, the patch comes out soon - the Temple is no fun with my chars getting stuck everywhere - and paladin was not my best choice, can't do a lot of quests for the Temple priests there, just kill. Though I still think it's strange: My paladin is not allowed to let a party member take part in a drinking contest - but she is obviously allowed to gamble <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/think.gif" alt="" /> (fire priests)
Kiya

kiya, what happens it you kill someone that is not evil? Do you lose your paladin abilities? A special note should have been put in tha paladin section about all the restictions. Glad I did not take one.

No, I can apparently kill those who are not evil - if they attack me, what most temple members do anyhow. I'm just accepting their quests, I can even fulfill them, but I can't get XP for them from the priests, report makes me fall.
Example: I was asked to kill a snake bothering the orc cook = did so and what happened? My Pallie was a fallen one as soon as I reported back to the priest.

On the other hand, a minor priest asked me to get an item by gambling: did so, gave it back and didn't fall. I accept quests, so the temple members there don't attack me at once. I can scoop around and level up before I clean out all parts. Why? Cause I went in for the Fire Priest, seems to be the hardest level.

About not giving explicite restriction infos in the manual: I guess, they believe, all know the Ad&D 3.5 regulations for paladins and other classes. My BIG prob is, I've always played the 2nd edition of AD&D <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/puppyeyes.gif" alt="" /> on pen&paper - sniff.

It's annoying - on the other hand: Those who created the game, stuck pretty closely to the rules, not this wishy-washy easy BG stuff, where only the simple rules were used (not 100% 2nd edition). It's a game for people with pen&paper knowledge - I like this <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/up.gif" alt="" />

Of course, you can play it without knowing the rules - as long as you don't play paladin <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/biggrin.gif" alt="" /> - this makes it a bit boring for me: Bash in the doors, kill nearly everything that moves (except prisoners). I had to read the forum there closely to avoid fallen XP (5000 GP to get her good again! I'm NOT paying that, I rather reload) - and a few quests are in for me - but I can tell you this: I HATE paladins <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/evilgrin1.gif" alt="" />
I didn't even plan to play LG - I chose NG, but took a pallie into my group - big error.
Kiya

Everyone knows rangers are better than paladins anyway <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/winkwink.gif" alt="" />

<img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/kitty.gif" alt="" />

Ach - rangers - no, I think I'll play a Druid next time, a neutral one.
Kiya

There's a reason the Lawful Good alignment is dubbed by some "Lawful Stupid" -- especially when applied to a paladin. Snarky, snarky.

Oh dear, Winterfox, my pallie didn't take your words very kindly... - my advice run <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/evilgrin1.gif" alt="" />
Kiya

Blah. Paladin this. *lifts up gnome-made explosives*

*Smites evil, takes off her helmet and says a short prayer - very short* <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/evilgrin1.gif" alt="" />
Kiya

*paladin Falls from grace for striking down a pc*

Nonono! I used "smite Evil" on the evil chaotic baddy gnome.... TARAAAAAAA: Winterfox <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/delight.gif" alt="" /> <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/evilgrin1.gif" alt="" />

Just can't think up of the correct grammar: I smote evil? I smitted evil? Help me, please.
Kiya

smote is correct, if my memory serves me well.

smitten by paladin sound nice as well, but it sounds more like in love. <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/biggrin.gif" alt="" />

Smite - present tense.
Smote - past tense.
Smitten - past perfect tense.

I bought the explosives from the gnome before the poor bugger was smitten. So...

Ouch, so my pallie is indeed fallen <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/cry.gif" alt="" /> - I killed an innocent little gnome <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/puppyeyes.gif" alt="" />
Kiya <saying a prayer for herself and trudging to the temple to pay 5000 gp>

thanks for "smitting" .

god, that's really stupid..i don't know if it's a bug or not...i just killed everyone in that tower place by the ToEE, the one with all the bandits in it, and for some reason i can't pick up all their loot..i mean none of it and i can't get out of the door...and i don't think there is anywhere else to go in there....any ideas? Is it one of those bugs i've heard sooo much about maybe?

--Danielle <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/mage.gif" alt="" />

Kiyas pallie prayer is heard and Greater intervention gives back paladin status and magic ring of paladins, allows ONE evil act. <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/evilgrin1.gif" alt="" />, ring is cursed tho after use. Use it and find out what.

ONE evil act? <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/think.gif" alt="" /> Ha, chase Winterfox <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/evilgrin1.gif" alt="" />
Kiya

Which curse? Do I have to scrape 5000 gp together again?

LOL

Catch Winterfox and smite her and find out. but be warned it is an ugly curse <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/evilgrin1.gif" alt="" />

what if winterfox is smitten WITH kiya instead of smitten BY kiya? <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/think.gif" alt="" />

Indeedy. Kiya, will you bear my children?

*evil laughter*

Holy [nocando]! Goldy, it's all your fault! <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/cry.gif" alt="" /> - I guess, this was the evil curse you talked about <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/cry.gif" alt="" />

@Winterfox: Depends on: if they are sweet tiny four-leggers with silverwhite fur? YES.
Skinny 2-leggers with bad manners, homework, university, talking back at me, causing an earthquake in my flat? NOPE! That will be your own curse <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/badsmile2.gif" alt="" /> -

Just one thing <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/think.gif" alt="" /> - will the world survive Winter-Kiyas? <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/ouch.gif" alt="" />
Kiya

Ok, so the ring has two <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/evilgrin1.gif" alt="" /> curses and that in only one.
Don't forget to let us have some pics of the little ones, I like winter-kiyas, can I have one, please.

i'll have foxy-kiyas please. <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/biggrin.gif" alt="" />

Kiya? Let's make these Kiya-winters, Winter-kiyas, or Foxxy-kiyas -- and make some profit! <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/biggrin.gif" alt="" />

Pre-orders get special discounts and mini-Balrogs!

can we get the limited version of foxy winter-kiya figurine?

It's a deal, Winterfox, my tooth fairy business is not going well anymore, I need another source for cash <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/winkwink.gif" alt="" />
Kiya

Hey, I want some of that cash, it was my curse that created winter-kiyas

this is WinterKiya - when she's in a good mood. Does anyone think she needs Mini Balrogs? The special limited edition comes with tiny skulls, a ravishing frame without additional costs - and a muzzle for your own safety.
kiya

The first 10 customers are taking part in a raffle - 1st prize is:


a special Mini-Balrog, carefully designed, cuddly and guaranteed without fleas (well, not very much).

Yes, and if you'd care to pay an additional little fee, we'll be happy to make sure that the mini-Balrogs are fully trained, ready to breathe fire, claw, and whip your enemy instead of you.

Get 'em while they're hot!

Ahhhhh, another hoarding heart <come into my arms <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/evilgrin1.gif" alt="" /> >

<whispering> we've got a rival about sharing money: Goldy. Have you still got the fake money from Div, Winterfox? Or we'll give him proper gold and curse it?
Kiya

Hmmmmm, how did you know I planned to "prepare" them = time bomb when someone is not willing to pay a regular "tiny" fee? (Probably a soul sister...)

This is Foxya - ain't she sweet? Needs a very close human contact, uses the litter box, even eats Marmite and has the ideal size to cuddle into your arms. She is tolerant towards other animals and just needs a warm, cosy place to place her eggs in, preferably flesh ... from a certain race... errhm, you don't want to know, do you?
Kiya

Ok ok, money is all yours. I don't want to be cursed.

I'll take two Winterkiyas and one Foxya (with fleas)

Just for the records, Goldy: Did you make your testament?
Kiya

i like them foxy kiya's! <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/up.gif" alt="" /> i mean, foxya.

spick will adopt a few since they take marmite. but then spick will be pissed off since they'll finish his marmite. <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/biggrin.gif" alt="" />

oh yeah, is the foxya nutty? <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/rolleyes.gif" alt="" />

testament? you mean my will? Why?? are winterkiyas dangerous?

They are the Goldylocks equivalent of the three bears <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/winkwink.gif" alt="" />

<img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/kitty.gif" alt="" />

Errhm, not the WinterKiyas - they just tend to bite, but I'll supply you with a muzzle - no, the Foxyas have a ... teenyweeny disadvantage...
Kiya

only a teenyweeny one? just what kind of teenyweeny disadvantage?
I am still interested in having one.

Foxya is a Memau (Startopia) - they conquer your body and hatch their young ones there - you made your testament and already paid Foxya in advance did you?
Kiya <anxious about her profit>


A German gamer had this as an avatar ( I modified it a bit) - I visited her/his thread often cause I loved this animal and asked what it was - she/he informed... so I thought up of a method to still enjoy this sweet little thing and simply find other human bodies for its natural "thrive" <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/shame.gif" alt="" /> - it's really sweet, isn't it? Ok, it's a bit... naughty... but still sweet. Just look at its large eyes and cute fur...

er..yeah..it's scrat from "Ice Age"..he is always getting stomped on and otherwise pulvarized..it's a good movie. But unfortunately scrat is really not in the movie a whole lot. I just saw it last weekend..cuz i was totally bored!

--Danielle

Umm, I would like a refund on the Foxya I oredered please. I'd like a pet that lives with me not inside of me.

And if you find another vic... volunteer? I already spent the money - had to pay Winterfox.
Kiya

how long before they kill you? If not to long sent it and I will give it to my landlord as I will get his house. <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/evilgrin1.gif" alt="" />

No clue, never played Startopia. I just fell in love with these large eyes. And I couldn't play the game now, couldn't kill Memaus.
Kiya

A proper and dedicated scientist would use the trial&error method, Goldy, consider yourself as a pioneer in Foxya-survival <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/delight.gif" alt="" />

THE PATCH!!!!!! IS OUT!!!!!!!

CHECK THE FORUMS FOR MIRRORS !!!!!! <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/party.gif" alt="" /> <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/party.gif" alt="" /> <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/party.gif" alt="" /> <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/party.gif" alt="" /> <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/party.gif" alt="" /> <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/party.gif" alt="" /> <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/party.gif" alt="" /> <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/party.gif" alt="" /> <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/party.gif" alt="" /> <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/party.gif" alt="" /> <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/party.gif" alt="" /> <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/party.gif" alt="" /> <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/party.gif" alt="" /> <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/party.gif" alt="" /> <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/party.gif" alt="" /> <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/party.gif" alt="" /> <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/party.gif" alt="" /> <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/party.gif" alt="" /> <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/party.gif" alt="" /> .................................................................................. <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/party.gif" alt="" /> <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/party.gif" alt="" /> <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/party.gif" alt="" /> <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/party.gif" alt="" /> <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/party.gif" alt="" /> <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/party.gif" alt="" /> <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/party.gif" alt="" /> <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/party.gif" alt="" /> <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/party.gif" alt="" /> <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/party.gif" alt="" /> <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/party.gif" alt="" /> <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/party.gif" alt="" /> <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/party.gif" alt="" /> <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/party.gif" alt="" /> <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/party.gif" alt="" /> <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/party.gif" alt="" />

Thank you very much Virgo_Bluefire <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/delight.gif" alt="" />

Thanks, Virgo - the gamma slider is in there - WHOEHOOO! <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/up.gif" alt="" />
I think I'll go a bit on rampage this evening in TOEE <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/winkwink.gif" alt="" />
Kiya

I haven't played long, but I noticed the bug about not being able to drop items is still there (NPC won't drop item) - though this NPC is one of my chars. Has this been fixed? Couldn't find it by skimming the patch infos.

Can people who have installed the patch tell me if it fixes a lot of the probs. I kind of held off buying this game because I heard it was a lil buggy! Thanks! <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smile.gif" alt="" />

<img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/kitty.gif" alt="" />

there is still a lot of bugs that need to be addressed
with this new patch the game is slightly better and easier to play in the light of the present bugs.

Heck, i'll be honest, I wouldn't buy it at its present state right now. Even though i bought mine a while back, i can't return it cause the store i bought mine from has a no software return policy.

I playing through the fallout series to say the truth.

ummm......sooo kiya is haveing kids????? i breifly read through this thread and saw something bout that.

anyway, as soon as i start playing a new game of <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/div.gif" alt="" /> the patch for toee comes out. go figure. o well, il keep playing <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/div.gif" alt="" />, because after reading through the atari forums there will probably be another patch coming out soon.

Yeah, 4-leggers, cute furry ones <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/delight.gif" alt="" /> - I left the 2-leggers for Winterfox - she can deal with them <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/badsmile2.gif" alt="" />
Kiya

Very cut 4-leggers.

Kiya mine wont eat I have tried evry possible thing under the sun from fresh foods to rotten foods. Any ideas?

i heard somewhere that it likes nibbling on its owner's limbs. don't worry, it won't hurt a bit as it usually injects some kind of anaesthetic fluid into u so u'll go limp & numb all over. u get to see your slow disembowlment! <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/eek.gif" alt="" />

Hmmm <lifting her glasses and peering at Goldy> - isn't the landlord juicy enough? Foxyas like it a tad overweight and soft. And don't forget the vegetables as decoration. You did offer her your best bed with fluffy pillows, right?

And if your landlord doesn't oppose, she'd like him with Marmite spread, one teaspoon of mustard, Cayenne Pepper and Chili. She's a bit picky - not raw or medium, well-done, please.
Kiya <cook>

TARAA! I'm getting Baphomet 3 tomorrow <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/delight.gif" alt="" />

Ok I tried all the garnishments you said so I am thinking it must be my landlord. He is somewhat old, scrawny, and dry. I'm going to try and marinate him and see what happens.

As for ToEE, I had to start over at the mote house because the last time I saved I apperntly messed up and did not save. I got the new patch tho so I will see how it improves things.

hrmph I got ToEE, but it is not exactly easy to play <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/disagree.gif" alt="" />
much prefer NWN or DD, but we shall see <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smile.gif" alt="" />

didn't like ToEE much

I thought it was crappy and bugridden. Then I discovered Id accidently bought "The Temple of Excremental Weevils" by accident! <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/silly.gif" alt="" />

<img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/kitty.gif" alt="" />

Didnt have fun with this game at all.

I was impressed by its engine though. I would like to play a better dungeon or something with the same engine someday.

Other than that I cant recomend anyone get this game its not entertaining its short and it doesnt work correctly.

TOEE follows ad&d 3.0 rules and the setting is straight out from the Grayhawk module of AD&D.

Pros: nice graphics, not bad sound.

Cons: Bug-ridden, incomplete and severely inbalanced. Most voice-overs not very decent sounding.

My opinion: It's kinda fun although quite a few of the bugs made it difficult or impossible to proceed with certain areas or quests. Some areas were extremely boring(same for some of the quests) and also, I felt that while some of the stories were brilliant, some of the others just bored me to death.

Some areas of the game were absolutely ridiculous(the fan-released patch added an area, a brothel which had been removed and I didn't see the point in designing such an area in the first place. They should've put in some more stories or some other interesting features).

Well, Hasbros pushed forward the publishing date of the game, meaning that quite a few areas had to be taken out. This also meant that many of the bugs were not fixed.

My advice: get the game a few months later after they have released another patch for it. Or, skip this game and get something worth your while like Planescape Torment or one of the Buldur's Gate games.

Well I made it to the first town like 10 minutes play (yeah I know not very much) and I put the thing on the shelf, between the automap and trying to see where you were going .. well I just gave up and it is now gathering dust next to Down to Undermountain" only other D&D game I never finished <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/disagree.gif" alt="" />

i just bought this game today.....hmmmm.....i'm gonna install it later to see if i can do something evil.....maybe i should have looked at this thread before i bought it eh.....but oh well...if i don't like it i still have dungeon siege to play....and next month i can buy a new game......yay!!.........

About 4 days ago an atari public relations announced that there will be a 2.0 patch coming out but didn't say when.........like any of us care though right??? <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/rolleyes.gif" alt="" /> <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/delight.gif" alt="" />

i can't even install the game somehow..........booh freaking booh......i'm returning it monday....i'll buy something else instead...

since you opened it I hope that you will be able to return it.

that makes 2 of us.....i certainly can try though.....

I found this game soooooo difficult to play - it looked great, but I don't know if it was just me but I found it was tough. Shame there wasn't a n00b/no d&d mode really for plonkers like me <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smile.gif" alt="" />

Hmm don't sell yourself short, I have been playing ADD CRPG's for about 10 years, and GUI (player Interface) wise it is the worst, I rather play Down to undermountain, which up until now was, I thought, the worst playing game ever made for ADD, but you see even I was wrong, and as said before I have given up, and put it on the shelf, since I can't return it, I live in Australia and it was a Internet order through Canada <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/disagree.gif" alt="" />

i managed to install the game....i wonder why it fluked on my brothers computer though........well it's installed and i can do anything but start an adventure....next i'll try installing it on my computer....(this is my sisters computer muahahaha) frustrating game eh.......

heh... I quit playing when my character missed 6 times in a row to hit a zombie for 0 hp damage.

well i finally have got to play it a bit.....the only thing is that i have to skip all the cutscenes....cause if i don't my whole computer freezes......