Lets here your best arguments for why Divinity 2 is better then Dragon Age.

The thing is... Dragon Age isn't out yet... You can't really compare a single-player game with a party-based game that isn't even out... It's moot.

I think you got that backwards Divinity 2 isn't out yet.

^ Actually it is out, the German version is out already since July?
Well, firstly that is correct, you can`t compare a party and single player based games with one another. However, putting that bit aside, i find Divinity 2 to still be better than Dragon Age. Why you might ask, simply because Divinity 2 is a fast paced game with lots and lots of quests and things to be revealed, while Dragon Age is a default story liner, from what i can tell. If there are side quests, then they literaly are "side" quests, it`s as if the developers didn`t bother with them because there is just so little of them. And the world there is distributed in locations by far more than Divinity 2 is. Till now i`m 6-7 hours in on playing it and i think i`ve already come to the middle. Just my assumption. While Divinity 2 has a world to explore, Dragon Age doesnt.
Sure Dragon Age has the upper hand in creating a character, a multiple background setting for each race/class and even genre, even dialogues seem quite fascinating, because there`s just so much more to read. However the game tries too hard to impress and bind you to your character through a sad event, as if it`s making you pity your character and and out of that to keep you playing. While Divinity 2 takes it easy and simple.

Divinity 2 is out in US on January 5 2010, but in rest of Europe the English version is available on 6 November 2009. I preordered and got it on 30 October, though.

I'm getting Dragon Age tomorrow but indeed, one cannot really compare.

Divinity 2 is action RPG in the style of Dungeon Siege 2, Titan Quest... only more story driven.

Dragon Age is party-based tactical RPG in the style of Baldur's Gate.

@DeviRyuuD: Dragon Age is supposed to be 60 hours of gameplay at least... probably 100 hours the first time... so I doubt 6-7 hours is the middle fo the game...

^ Okay my fault ^^
But still the story seems quite the bit settled down already.. Ow well, let`s just keep playing.

Dragon Age is out already? In that case, my bad! I had no idea! ha.

Not gonna buy it yet though, still have to get a graphics card and play through divinity2 first, then I'll get Dragon Age, when the price has dropped a bit.

50 bucks is way too much. Price will drop, bugs will be fixed...waiting is always best.

DA:O, huh. Trivial plot, old-style gameplay. Yeh, Baldur's gate was awesome back on that days, but ya'now, it's 2010 already. Time to make something new.

~

I find this hilarious.

Most of the fans were asking for a more "traditional" Bioware, return to the roots and similar aproach to story as baldurs gate. Ofc, there are people like you that imidiately come and say "come on! its 2010, do something new!"


Its realy impossible to please everyone, i find this realy funny lol.


About the game itself (DAO) i havent played it yet so i can only rely on the largely positive world-wide reviews that go on RPGwatch everyday (gotta love this site for news roundup). As to compare D2 with DAO i find absolutely no reason as to why compare them. They are very very diferent and they both have their own strenghts and weaknesses.

Divinity 2 isn't as dark & gritty as Dragon Age as marketed.

Which is a pro for me.

I can't say much, though, because I haven't played far into the game (Divinity 2 I mean), and have uninstalled it until I have upgraded my system a bit.

Well I am planing to buy dragon age origins
but for now I must say that divinity 2 have great adventage

And that's the best way to put it. I've been playing DAO for a day, and find it much more extensive in the lore department than any earlier Bioware game. It is also a party style RPG, with additional party NPCs available through the game (unlike NWN). So far, it's pretty decent.

Ah, butthurt...
Guess I've found another DAO/bioware fanboy, eh.
Thousands of them.

Obviously, if one doesn't dismiss the game as old and busted, then one must be the other extreme, a hopeless fanboy. Really helpful for discussion, that attitude. No substance, just name-calling.

His point was that many, many are complaining that it's too different from Baldur's Gate, not going back to the roots enough, while others like you say it's not new enough, too similar to what's been done. Typical example that you can't please everyone all the time.

I think it's also true that Bioware's PR lame-footed their own game, by trying to pitch it as a high-volume, nonstop-action, 12-year-old's fantasy. We could speculate this was an attempt to sell it to the Diablo throng, but the interviews, trailers (with heavy metal rock music that's nowhere in the game), and factless fact sheets confused a lot of oldtime RPGers, from what I could tell online on other sites.

It's nice to see DAO is nothing like that. It looks pretty solid to me so far, but I'm just in the beginning stages of play.

Mm, after playing for a while more i have to say, Dragon Age: Origins has the potential of a 4 player Co-Up multiplayer system, but hasn`t used it.

please don't associate Marilyn Manson with rock music guys, or heavy metal for that matter. Manson is pop or nu-metal, anything else is really pushing it.

It may not be the game for you, but it's certainly no surprise, as Bio has been pitching the game as the "spiritual successor to Baldur's Gate" since the game's inception. It has quite strong enough of a following, I'm sure, of folks clamoring for a game exactly like they made, that folks that feel like you do will not put a significant dent in their sales.

And I agree that there is virtually no way that the two can be compared. From all I have seen and heard, each game is spectacular in it's own way, but game mechanics (combat, party vs. hero) are totally different.

lol more than thousand

take that x100 or x1000 even :P

then again of everything i have read of what you have written it seem you just seek attention(knowing anser bu ignoring them as you hope them to ask again etc..) only read 5-6 threads but it is all the same, alot of talk, and none that is helpfull

:P

about buying dragon age, i am gonna charge EA with fraud on monday as i had the game installed for soon 2 days and i still dont have the extra i payed for, i have played Divinity 2 instead, got some annoying craches, but it could be b'cus of the driver for the 295gtx is still buggy, other than that i like the story

I don"t know what to play
divinty 2 or dragon age
I wanna complete divinity 2 but I can"t wait to play dragon age

Well, you can also play both, right?

Anyway, Dragon Age is awesome. I played through the human noble origin yesterday and liked it a lot. I'm also going to try the mage origin and then decide with which character to continue.

Yeah, I know, I really liked Baldur's Gate. That was just my opinion, why so serious? I didn't say it's a bad game and I didn't try to insult fanboys.


Any game of any genre can be compared. Results just differs.

Belnick

How would you go about comparing to different games? Duh GI does it all the time, not directly though. There are some basic criteria that help people determine which games is better. Some of these areas would be graphics, gameplay, soundtrack, play time, replay value, and so on. Although it is true is would be difficult for people in the US to make any kind of a comparison right now because the game isnt out yet over here. I might buy both, but I definitely am going to play Divinity 2 first.

I lol'd. Yeh, subjective opinion doesn't exist and ppl always know which game is better. Oh wait... following your logic there is exist an ULTIMATE game which is better than any other game, lol.

I think you misinterpreted the point I was trying to make. I am not saying everyone knows which game is better. I am simply pointing out that its possible compare these two games even though they are not identical. I bet you feel real silly now huh?

I am playing through Dragon Age right now, and it is indeed quite a behemoth of a game. I honestly do not see another RPG topping this one for me any time soon, but I am still extremely excited for and will be ready to play it come January 5. The more RPG goodness the better, I say. Point being, why can't folks just enjoy BOTH for what each has to offer?

Because this is Divinity forum and here Divinity is law, those who think different will be shot.


Hah, just kidding.
Well, i started DA:O anew, and well i`m trying to make different choices, but it simply doesnt crack. Oh, not that it had anything to crack in the first place. DA:O is rubbish as an RPG, seriously. Despite having a fantastic story, nice challenging fights and fascinating character development, as an RPG it just doesnt cut it. It lacks the freedome of choice, once the NPC tells you to do something then that`s it, there`s no other way around. Do it or don`t. It`s a tactical adventure drama, nothing more.

No game is perfect
Just like BG2 or KOTOR

All those criteria are subjective. Some will think for instance, that Guild Wars had the best graphics in its time, others will think the graphics were pretty crappy because they were extremely repetitive. Who's right? Both are. It's subjective.

Dragon Age is indeed a masterpiece. It's a huge game with so much care and attention to detail. I truly did not expect Bioware to make such a large RPG ever again, but they've done it yet again. It's really a return to form for them. Although, I'm still super pumped for Mass Effect 2.

And yes, Divinity II looks like a wonderful RPG. I don't care which one is better, but I'll be glad to have both in my collection.

Is that you, BioShockOwnz? Regardless, well said.

You got me!

Character models: DA: Origins > Divinity 2 > Risen
Overall Graphics: Risen > DA: Origins > Divinity 2
Story: DA: Origins > Divinity 2 > Risen
Freedom of choice: Risen > DA: Origins > Divinity 2
Dialogues: DA:O > Divinity 2> Risen
Feeling of an RPG: Risen > Divinity 2 > DA: Origins

In short DA: Origins makes the overall better game from the 3 and followed by Risen, leaving Divinity 2 in last place from the 3. However, Divinity 2 feels better when you play it, rather than it`s two opponents.

DeviRyuuD spoke.
Now everyone knows that DA:O is much-much-much better than Risen or Divinity 2.
Nuff said.

divinity 2 comes in after Risen in Graphics? I must be playing a different game...

While Divinity 2 exceeds in texture details, Risen graphics blend better together. Risen and Divinity 2.

I still havent cahnged my thoughts that DA: Origins scuks and i like Divinity 2 the best, i`m just facing the facts.

1.Dragon age origins
2.Divinty 2
5.Risen

I played all 3 games, not finished Da and risen yet, but one thing that bugged me so much on risen were the chat dialogs and the speeches, Da and dd2 are so much better on that one.

Just the quality of speech and dialogs in risen made it seem like it's done by an amature flash game maker where they speak in their own dialogs.. seriously.

But on the otherhand Risen is pretty beautyfull and a large area to explore and down side of that is there are no markers or anything on the map, nor on the npcs that give quests or anything.

And the combat system on Risen lacks alot aswell, DD2 and DA:O plays much smoother.

In my opinion if you go for a game, get DD2 and DA:O for sure, if you finished them and your pc can handle Risen, play it if you have nothing else.

Im on 60% of of DA:O and the story and game play has been awsome so far, it only lacks freedom of movement, but it kinda blends in with game and you barely notice it, since you pick up quests and be on your way, unless you really like exploring then it might be a miss.

Also DA:O feels like a finished game, I haven't encountered bugs or anything like that and havent heard of other bugs then the DEX dagger one for rogue's but I play mage and don't have a rogue in my team that's active.

In Risen again the chat dialogs and what ever are not finished, you hoover above spikes and couple of more things like that make you feel it's not a finished game.

Playing through DD2 I encountered minor bugs, but it doesn't give you the impression it's not finished.

So in my opinion, 1: DA:O - 2:DD2 3:If you must, Risen.

Risen does have map markers.
You have to go to Quest Map.

Risen is one of the most enjoyable game's I've played this year.

bit of a jaded comparison, no? Quite simple to make a bad screenshot of risen's scenery and a good one of DD2's.

Anywho, I haven't played DA yet, but I surely plan to, seeing all the good opinions of people.

4 good RPG's this year, who would've thought it?

You play DA:O as a mage
what schools did you take on the begining
For me primal(fire blast) and creation(Gylph)

Larian is clever since the US release will be next year. Hello RPG of the year 2010 award (let the other rpg's fight over the 2009 award )

never played risen
Dragon age looks to much like mass effect but i dint like dragon age at all (dunno why)
Love
so number one:

Ahem
Diablo III
Arcania

Mass Effect
Two Worlds II
Venetica
Fable III
Final Fantasy XIII

Diablo III won't be released be until 2011. The next Starcraft game is being released first, in 2010.

Mass Effect and Dragon Age are nothing alike. Radically different RPG's.

I started with winter's grasp and mind blast so i could focus on single targets and when they get to close use mind blast to stun them so the cooldown of winters grasp would be ready after running away and you could fire again, though there wasnt much single combat, just the storage room with the spiders was mostly single target where you had no team yet. after that, I took spell wisp for more damage and lightning to have another spell at my disposal to damage with, since I use Alistair as my tank but after you get far in you get most of the skills anyway

Yeh, the Rock armor > Stone Fist > Earthquake and Winter's Grap > Cone of Cold lines are really overpowered in the game. Cone of Cold has only a cooldown of 10 s, so you can just freeze a lot of enemies, shatter them with stone fist or let your tank crush them, then when the freezing has run off you can simply cast it again.

I picked those along with Mind Blast > Crushing Prison and had no problems. Sleep + Horror is a nice combo to pick up as well in the long run.

I switch party members a lot because I love their interaction. I think the dialogues & characters are the best in any BioWare game since BG 2.

Yeah, you did. I'm a Divinity fanboy, a DA fanboy, a Risen Fanboy, a Mass effect fanboy, a Diablo Fanboy... and i cant recall more now but you get the picture i guess.

I love RPGs, always did, and DA:O is a damn good one, as is D2.

The whole "fanboy" expression is kinda old already, but do feel free to use it as i take no offense.


Regarding this thread, comparing both games is realy hard as they are so radicaly diferent. For example, DA:O has beautifull graphics in my system (1920x1200 w/ 8x AA), but close-ups are HORRIBLE in some textures, seems like a 10 year old game sometimes, D2 on the other hand has much better textures, but horrible animations (imho). Voice-acting in DA:O is perfect, but sometimes they go a little overtop on so much dialog, while D2 is more "direct to the action".

I really don't expect much from any of those.

Mass Effect and FFXIII are not my cup of tea
Two Worlds 1 sucked big time, so I doubt the sequel will be any good
Fable III is a console game, and if it comes out on PC, I'm boycotting it. In fact, I'm boycotting anything resembling Fable from now on. First hype a game for the best RPG ever, and when I buy it, turns out to be a pile of consoley crap with less content than britney spears' lyrics, then make the sequel a console game because PC gamers figured you out for the fraud that you are. And the next game in that abominable series will be good? If you love britney, perhaps. Fable is the reason Action RPG's have such a bad connotation.
Venetica will probably be good, but it's not much of an RPG. No character creation, strict storyline. Sounds more like a Legacy Of Kain-type Action-Adventure, really.

I said it looks alike
I know they play different. But its like also with a squad, and talking to people making choses.
I liked it in mass effect but in Dragon age. feels kind of different.

On easy mode it gets even easier (doh) no friendly fire) but I mean, select your tank on pause mode, make him use uhm that templar skill that knocks em all down, and he should have aggro on all the mobs, get one mage to cast blizzard and the other one tempest (lightning + Frost storm combo) and then one of your mages can heal the tank from incoming damage if any after making the storms, it really kills alot of packs very easy.

Mages do tend to get over powered, specially when you are a blood mage like me it gives you a neat powerfull AE attack and can pretty much solo any groups by my self already.

They don't even look alike.

Mass Effect 2 uses the Unreal Engine 3, Dragon Age does not.

Mass Effect 2 is sci-fi, Dragon Age is not.

The gameplay is VASTLY different. Dragon Age is about pause-and-play gameplay, chugging potions, and maintaining the squad throughout battle. Much different and deeper in terms of squad commands and gameplay.

VERY different RPG's in every single way.



With the exception of Two Worlds II, I expect all of those games to be good-great.

Venetica is definitely the next under-the-radar RPG I have my eye on. It's beautiful and it's from the folks behind Ankh and Jack Keane, which are 2 adventure titles I really enjoyed.

I usually use Earthquake(knocks down enemies in a huge range) and then setup the combo you mentioned.

Well, they both have something in common. They both have problems that don't get fixed so I can't play either of them properly.

So I choose Drakensang. Atleast that worked

Drakensang the dark eye is very good OLD SCHOOLS RPG

Just how is Dragensang old school?

Issues with animation was fixed in 1.02.
Also, I disagree, animation in D2 is much better, just look @ Damian when he is talking with you or Zandalor.

This whole thread made me lol.

You guys are (kinda) fighting about Dragon Age and Divinity 2.

"Omg, this one's better!!!!"

"NO!!!!! THIS ONE IS!!!!"

Seriously, I look at it like this. I'm playing Dragon Age right now. I'm in love with it. It's a phenomenal game.

Divinity 2 looks to be good as well. I don't care which one is better than which, or which one looks better.

I'm going to be playing and enjoying both of them.

In fact, it's an awesome thing we have so many great PC rpgs to choose from this year. How many did we have last year? The year before that?

But that is the whole point point of this thread, T1nk3rb311!

Follow the rules or quit the game^W topic!!! ;P

Yesterday I was at the retailer's, trying to decide whether I would buy Dragon Age or Divinity II. Everyone is raving about DA, all my friends are playing it, I love Bioware, Mass Effect and KOTOR are my favourite games and yet... I chose Divinity II. It was one of those gut decisions. Somehow I felt this game was going to be more for me. And I kind of like discovering great games that don't get as much attention as the huge titles like Dragon Age. I never finished the first Divinity but thoroughly enjoyed it nonetheless. So anyway, I sat down with my Xbox controller last night, started playing the game and knew right away this was my kinda game. The world is beautiful and charming, the controls easy and intuitive and above all: the dialogues are incredibly witty and well-voiced. This game has got a quality I fear Dragon Age may be missing: humour, relativity, a light touch.
Dragon Age seems a bit too much doom and gloom for me right now. I don't doubt it'll be great in its own way, though. I may play it later on, but I'm happy with the decision I made.

In Dragon Age party members joke around & banter all the time, and there is plenty of humour. So it's not all doom & gloom.

Ah, well, that's good to know. I'll definitely check it out then!

Maybe the "humour" in both games are NOT the same kind of humour?

Personally I like the humour that's Larian makes in their games .

I am very sorry to say this but dragon age is better

D2 will never be in same legaue as dragon age

Dragon age is simply better game with better story,better music(epic I must say),better gameplay,depth,humour,lore and much more
But lets face truth
Bioware is very popular with many excelent games(Baldur Gate,Mass Effect,NeverWinter Nights,Star Wars The Knights of The Old Republic,Jade Empire...) while Larian only have Divinity,so Bioware have more money and more money create better game
but I hope Larian will make profit so they can make better Divinity 3 than Divnity 2

D2 is still good game for 1 playtrough

Its just a matter of opinion. I know a couple people who didnt like DA:O at all, even though they are Bioware fans.


Dont forget that DA:O is a party based game, with strategical elements with a lot of pauses in combat, D2 is a little bit more action oriented, and single character.


None is better overall in my own personal opinion, they are just diferent.

It might be that I prefer happy RPG with depth story and dialogues

And no freedom.
Nice.

Like D2 have any freedom

just don"t tell me that Oblivion was your first RPG and now you think that every RPG should look like Oblivion

Can't we just say that they're both awesome games and leave it at that?

Of course we can't!

Oblivion was my first RPG, and everything should look like it...

Ok, just kidding. I think Mystic Quest, on Gameboy was my first (graphical) RPG. They sure have come some way since. Aside from a few things that i cant get to work, i genuinely like Divinity II. I'll try and find Dragons Age some time after x-mas, and test it out as well, but for now, this is right up my alley. The first few hours are a bit repetitive, but it gets better after a while. And it's never enough to be boring.
B!

DA is obviously better than D2. D2 is riddled with bugs, hilariously bad performance & random crashes while I can play DA for hours including alttabbing, the only technical issue with DA is a memory leak slowing performance after multiple hours. Meanwhile D2 is one of the buggiest game releases this year.

Now dude, if you`d search my posts you`d learn how i treat Bethesda, so please. As for Oblivion, it was the ethalon to show the world just how bad they really are at making RPGs, followed By F3.

Raven.rpg, please, tell me, can you go somewhere, wherever you want, in DA:O that is not marked on your map as available? Can you go to the first village you go to after the siege, after you`ve done a large quest in another location? Is there anything in that game to find out, any secrets that might come in helpful? Are there even side quests that have nothing to do with the main story line, but that could help alter the end of game?
No to all.

You see, what makes an RPG good, is that you have the freedom of choice. You go where you want to, you can do the story, or you can go goof around - it`s your choice, sure in DA:O`s story it does offer you to make the right(your) choice of doing things. But DA:O does not offer the "goof around" option. You are sraightly driven into the story and like a sea eagle, it clutches you into its legs and doesnt let go until you`re at its nest - at the end game. Yes, i don`t deny, the story`s great, the dialogues are great, the different beginnings depending on your gender/class/race(good job stealing that from WotC) are great. But the game has so much more potential to it, it`s a let down it didn`t use it fully. And for that, for the game not trying to get the best of it, it ends up being a half assed game.
I`m not saying D2 was by far better, no, but it sure does offer freedom. An open world, go where you like, whenever you like, do what you want and whenever you want. Surely it`s a pity that the ending does not alter no matter what and how you do, but Divinity2 is just so much more friendly and talktive, while DA:O is straight to the point - listen or i`ll shoot you. Adding dialogues, stats and skills to an adventure game does not make it an RPG.
And I don`t know why you all get those bugs, i finished Divinity2 without crashing, whatsoever.

First of all
D2 have freedom,but what freedom.There is no even one city except Aleroth(Aleroth is so stupid) and regions are empty.Only first city was good,Orobas ford....very smart,80% of orobas ford is water but there is dragon form(that is interesting,but its get old after a while)
Story is....wait there is no story.
Music is great,but DA:O music is epic
Side quests;only good thing about game(side quests are really interesting)
This game is good but surely it doesn"t deserve title of "RPG of the year"
As I sad I hope Larian will make a good profit so they can make D3 more enjoyable


Did I mention that 85% characters have same faces
I think that every 5th character is same as Marius

Untrue, I didn't encounter ANY issue on german retail release. Even on 1.00 and even with language hack.

IMHO, it's completely ridiculous to compare Divinity 2 to Dragon Age Origins. I'm playing and enjoying both of them in my PC right now, after I spend my last month on Risen. Although, Div2 and DAO's genres are RPG, they offer completely different experience. To me, both of these games are rare RPG gems. With Drakensang and Risen, these four games are the fantastic four of 2009 for me.

But let's compare Div2 and DAO:

1- Graphics: Div2 offers nice graphics, sharp textures, beautiful colorful landscapes, some buildings like towers, temples were carefully and skillfully crafted by artists, and sometimes I find myself to stop and watch these beautiful scenes. This full of color graphics style reminds me Fable series by the way. DAO's graphics offers nice animations and character textures, but environment graphics are usually consist of low-resolution textures, which was a disappointment for me. But, they used rich animations and effects like bloom to cover these downsides. Overall, DAO uses much gray tones unlike Div2 and it perfectly fits the dark atmosphere and setting of the game. One of my biggest complaints in Div2 is about the small sizes of the texts fonts, while DAO uses easily readable ones.

2- Gameplay: Gameplay is totally different for the two game. Div2 offers action oriented, single player based, real time hack&slash combat, while DAO offers tactical, party based, pausable real time combat. But, both games are more than just combat. While combats are very important for both games, there're plenty of dialogs, puzzle solving and exploration in both. There're plenty of gameplay diversion in Div2, like mindreading, golem making, turning to a dragon. These new ideas offer plenty of innovation to the RPG genre I think.

3 - Atmosphere: DAO has a pretty dark and grim atmosphere. Sometimes too cruel and bloody. While Div2's atmosphere is more faboulous and light. But, this does not means Div2 is a childish game. In both games, player must make choices in quests that has no certain good or evil way to solve it. Both games' target audiances are 18+. But, I must admit DAO's atmosphere is more captivative than Div2. Character personalities are much more detailly crafted in DAO by the way.

Divinity 2 is the worthy successor of Divine Divinity, while Dragon Age Origin is for Baldur's Gate 2.

Weird Div2 must be the only game that you have seen in 2009 I think. Because, I'm playing the 1,02 version, I nearly finished the first 1/3 part of it and haven't encountered a single bug in quests, graphics, sounds, character development,etc yet.

Next time when you reply can you be more specific to whom?
Thanks.

Gokyabgu makes a fair comparison, I guess (I haven't played DA yet so I don't know).
I certainly do want to play it at some point, but I'm glad I chose D2 for now.
For one thing, I'm Flemish and so is the studio that created this game. We are a tiny country with no influence in the world and it's cool to see these guys make a great RPG.
Of course, I still wouldn't have bought it if it hadn't looked like a great game. And I'm happy to say, it is great.

I have encountered no bugs yet, but I am playing on Xbox360. Also, I've noticed the fonts are much bigger on Xbox but the actual window in which you see characters during dialogues is quite small. Not that that bothers me in the least.
One small thing that does bother me is the "tracking", if that is the right word. When I move the camera around quickly, I can see small glitches in the middle of the screen, like the top half moves slightly faster than the bottom half. It's not visible all the time, and only there when I move the camera around quickly, but that's a small annoyance.

Voice acting is SUPERB, I think.

I mean the game is bug-free. If you read my post carefully, I think it's pretty obvious to whom I replied to. Thanks.

Manual combat-system!

I dont understand why old ideas could not work with new visuals (like with Dragon Age). It has nothing to do with beeing old fashioned.

Actualy I am always as well glad to see games which decide to be sometimes different as well and not just in gameplay but also in the visuals. Why has every game to look similar? It hasnt. Diversity is the key for fun.

Some games should be party based. Others about a single character. Not every game has to be the same art or style.

Personaly I am someone who prevers party based games very much in the style of baldurs gate and rpgs in the style of fallout 1. But does it mean every kind of "RPG" has to be now that way? Should Diablo 3 play like Fallout 1 or Baldurs Gate now? Hell no! I like Diablo as the action game it is and should always be. But that on the other side means as well that games like Dragon Age (havnt played it) should not be similar to any "action" RPG (which Divinity 2 definetly is)

True. I didn't say it is really bad, just.. a bit boring, ya'now. I can say I'm "old-sk00l" rpg-gamer, I really liked Baldurs Gate, M&M. But after NW (haet!), the same conception just repeat himself and that is boring.
Doesn't mean there is nothing good in DAO. There is wonderful dialogs, which is much better than in D2, more detailed setting and plot almost without flaws (the latter two things produces 90% of boredom actually >_>).

About the dialogues in Divinity II...

Last night I was playing it and for the first time since long, a game dialogue really cracked me up. I'm not going to spoil it for anyone but this game just has the funniest conversations!

I didn't realize how much I missed that in other games until I came across it yesterday. Great stuff:)

I'm curious; which dialogue? You can tell with "spoiler" tag

I have finished my first play-through of dragon age (warrior noble, doing another run on nightmare now with a mage and another with a city elf rogue), but I am still getting my tower is divinity.

Dragon age has a strong story and interactions and choices, it is a very solid game. but lacks the open world feel and might be a bit too oldschool. (elves, dwarves, reuniting the armies of the world once again, the orc-like darkspawn etc... it has been a little overdone.)

Divinity2 primary strength is its freshness, the quests are different, the creatures, the whole fortress/pet thing (DA:O has a warden keep addon but it really does not match the tower in divinity) and a few other details. Its weakness might be that there are less choices and interaction, thus less lasting value as you wont' be playing it multiple times.. or at least not as much as dragon age. (But then again I have not finished it yet, so it might be better than I have seen so far.)

In all cases, I am loving both Dragon age and Divinity. I consider them both must buys.

Not in my experience... D2 has been VERY stable, with only 2 bugs so far, and I am getting the tower right now. I also ALT+TAB a lot, no problem. (Windows XP tho, might be the reason?)

Which reminds me... If you are on the PC, dragon age might be a superior game. And if you are on XBOX I'd pick Divinity 2 first instead for obvious reasons.

Alright, I'll tell you about the funny dialogue.

Oldschool baby
It is what we do

My fav quote from DA:O is:

***Until Gray Warden came
Man and Women from every race,warriors and mages,barbarians and kings.Gray Warden sacrifice everything to stop the tide od darkness and prevailed***
EPIC WITH EPIC MUSIC AND EPIC CINEMATIC

Alright... I refused to help this guy, so that's why ^^

I got to say that there was no other game so far that has pinned me to the computer like DA. I haven't finished it yet but the game is amazing. It has everything I like about RPG :))) Someone mention that there were no side quest but that's not true. I don't see what is the problem with exploring. So far I can go everywhere (almost :P) on the map that I was before. I LOVE IT!

Yes, in DA you can travel around the map for as long as you want, and all the while the Big Evil Blight just keeps waiting destroying the world until you're ready.

They are preparing to launch assault

Man, I can't wait to get D2 so I can decide which is better. DA is really frickin awesome, but I got it on launch day and am only 12 or so hours into it. At this pace I won't get to play D2 until mid-spring. Kids+work+wife+hoildays=very little game time for yours truly, and I won't even think about buying one game until I have finished the current one. The stress of choosing which one to play would push me over the brink... .
Just kidding, but really, even though I'm sure they are quite different games, I'm sure they are equally fun and I will be very happy when I can sqay I completed them both. I just hope D2 makes me want to play it again. I already want to replay DA with at least 2 other different types of main characters, and I know I am passing up side quests to finish up the game because my play time is so limited.

*facepalm*
This is Divinity 2 forum, Divinity 2 here is law, if you think something is better than Divinity 2 here, you will be shot. This is a dictatorship.

I still can`t see what`s so good about DA:O, everytime i see someone praising it, i want to facepalm.

becaose you praise games like Diablo,TQ,D2,DD...(hack"n slash)
but I prefere party based RPG with depth story,characters,tactics...
So I would always play rather DtDE,BG2,DA:O,NWN,KOTOR,ME...
after them games like Gothic,Oblivion,Fallout...
and only then hack"n slash

I'm playing Risen, Torchlight, and DA: O. I'm lovin' 'em all. Screw elitist RPG BS.

Yeah, I agree. Actually bought and started Risen, but it was a slow starter. Based on reviews, I figured I would plod through until it became really interesting, but then came DA:O. I also want to play Torchlight...played a few levels of the demo and it was pretty sweet also.

Risen is definitely a slow burn, but oh so addicting, and it has great characters and dialogue. Not all are amazing, but most are interesting and fun to get to know. And the environments are beautiful to explore. I love how open the game is to the play from the very beginning.

Torchlight has that same addictive feel that Diablo, Sacred, and all other games like it have. The Diablo influence is astonishing, but it's also expected since it's coming from Max Schaefer.

Risen is an unbalanced game. First chapter is brilliant, but then it deteriorates in one long dungeon hack. It screams a bit of running out of time... Drakensang had the same issues near the end of the game.

Divinity 2, though, is a well-balanced game overall.

Chapter 3 and 4 definitely weren't as great as 1 and 2, as I found the exploration and discovery much more satisfying early on, but I still enjoyed 3 and 4 overall. I love Risen. Drakensang is another game I love. To each his own, I guess.

The only RPG that I've played and hated within the last few years was Two Worlds. What a miserable piece of crap that was.

I can't wait to play Divinity II with this praise, however.

You are a R-tard. When have i said i praise games like that, are you stalking me?

That's certainly uncalled for. No need for immature insults.

But he insulted me.
I suggest this thread gets locked ASAP.

There is no need for locking threads, let's just be nice.

I've been very slowly making my way through Drakensang (while loving it) since it was released (pathetic, I know:) ). I've now arrived at the seemingly unbeatable dragon near the Tallon village. Being involved with Divinity 2 at the moment, is it worth stubbornly trying to finish Drakensang or should I just let it go and fully focus on Divinity 2?
I love Drakensang, having played the tabletop version of The Dark Eye, but I have to admit I love Divinity 2 even more.

Dragon Age doesn't freeze EVERY SINGLE TIME after character creation. Dragon Age wins.

Uhm, neither does Divinity 2 on my Xbox.

So it's ok it does on a large number of PCs?
Dragon Age DOESN'T freeze on my PC.

Well, Divinity doesn't on my Xbox. Perhaps the PC version is not as polished. A patch will be released soon, I've heard.
Anyway, I'm sure DA will be great, I haven't played it yet, but in my book, D2 gets a glowing review

SUDDENLY
D2 works flawlessly on my PC.
The world ruined.

Honestly, this thread has become far too popular. This is like asking if Planescape: Torment was better than Final Fantasy VII. They are quite different. To throw my two cents in, though, if I had to make a recommendation right now, I'd have to give it to DA:O only because it's more stable at the moment, not because it's a better game. Were they of the same level of stability, it's almost purely a matter of preference, as both are shining examples of their respective subgenres.

No, it is not. You're doing it wrong. FF7 is a jRPG, not PC-RPG/classic RPG. Ya'now, if there is exist a sub-genres - they are for reason, not just for someone's sake.

I have buy Dragon Age and this game, and im so dissapointed about this game. I even cant belive it i have pay for such trash. Already shocked on the start that i must run as some azzhole arround to find some stupid town, because the game dosn't even offer map locations. I have buy RPG game not some adventure hiden secrets game or dont know what else. Damn cheap company, for sure the first and the last time that i had ever buy something from this shit company something. Dont even know how you can compare Dragon Age against this crap. This game should be freeware because it isn't worth any money.

Will the troll be successful?

nop
Bann him
Troll somewhere else
I agree that DA:O is better game but D2 still have some nice things so FU*K YOU AND EVERY TROLL

How is he a troll.
He's expressing his opinion across even If its not exactly constructive.

Just a guess. He went and registered to the game's forum just to grief.

"not exactly constructive", lol?
He wasn't AT ALL.


to "RAEG" >_>

Dear Kids, i have nothing against you, from me on you can play this as much as you wannt, rate it to 110 %, really don't care. I wouldn't have problems if they would write on the box '' adventure '' game and not sell it under RPG..because this game is everything else as you would expect from an RPG game. Or is just so shity that you must open every day 10 new topics in help forum ( which is anyway already full ). However, at last now i know that i must stay away from Larian Studios products when i gonna next time buy some pc game.

You don`t care, but you still posed here?

Exactly.

Do you always only play the easiest level in a game or have you never had to ask questions in a game forum? What fun is a game if you can play it while doing something else, because you do not have to think to solve things? What games are you playing since you have this negative attitude? What do you compare it with?

Why not look at Divinity 2 as a RGP with extras and take it as a new experience instead of being so negative?

When all there is to do in RPGs is to have to trudge through repetitive dungeons with repetitive enemies most of the time (like Dragon Age), I tend to get bored. But while Dragon Age makes up for this with party banter & lots of conversations with party members, Div 2 does it through puzzles.

Fyi, when someone calls other individuals "kids", that person using said word is usually the one who is not an adult.

I think that D2 is repetitive
always same
kill damn goblins and black ring

In DAO: kill the ONE BIG MAIN BOSS and save the world.
Bioware games always teh same.
Repetative.

Wanna continue? ;P

Talk whatever you want
but bioware is bioware...KING OF RPGs...
and DA:O is one of few games where I actually cry after i finish game becaose I was sad that it was over

^ lifeless one detected.
Oh noez, mi gamz ended sob sob sob.

Lol, such funny exhibits sometimes shows up...

DA:O is a good game, but the story just feels the same like KOTOR/Jade Empire/Mass Effect... go to X places to gather clues/allies/artifacts to destroy Big Evil... it isn't the "dark fantasy" that was marketed, no matter how much gallons of blood the game uses (in fact, the blood imo greatly reduced the seriousness of the game).

Also the combat is not very complex & the tactics is always the same once you figured it out... in Baldur's Gate there was a large variety of enemies which required constant change of tactics; not to mention the quests were much more varied & overall I like the characters of that game more too. Baldur's Gate 2 even exceeds DA in amount of dialogue.

Best thing about DA:O is the setting/world which I find quite interesting. Nothing earth shattering, but it does the job.

But It is still depth story
Did you know that Dragon Age Wins Big at Hollywood in Music and Media Awards
Nov 2009
Best soundtrack baby

My FAV

Title theme(Especially from 1.57 EPIC)
Leliana song
Deep roads

Hopefuly Bioware will keep releasing new downloadable content, i think something is to be released now in December if i remember correctly.

I know its nothing on my business, but if you cry when you end a game, you should realy get something else to do and enjoy your life more, and i'm not being mean or sarcastic about it

BioWare will release "return to ostagar" DLC

I don"t cry when I finished game
I have played many games but few of them are so briliant(DA:O,KOTOR...) that I am sad when I finish game and I just got feeling that I am gonna cry
You get that feel with this type of games,where you have your party and you connect with them,fight with them,talk with them...




I play guitar

I've always been a fan of party based RPGs, so DA:O get a free bonus from me for that. Bottom line is though that DA:O is a much more polished product than Divinity II. While DII shows signs of brilliance here and there, there are so many small issues that irritated me to no end:

- Getting stuck on almost all of the crap that litters each area
- Endless barrels, boxes, baskets, urns to smash up (after you figure out you don't have to open them all individually), with lots of them located out of reach (upper plank, must contain sweets eh?)
- Confirmation dialog for a -successful- load (I like to take that for granted, thank you very much)
- Cannot quick load while you're in the process of dying
- Ugly saved games screen
- Where can I find the saved games in the directory structure so I can easily delete excess files?
- Hints suggest from the very start of the game that you have access to your Battle Tower and "assistents". This takes 50% of the game.
- Inconsistent difficulty, difference in levels between you and your targets has a "magic" effect on damage dealt
- Seems to me lots of skills and effects are pointless
- Numerical increases of skill related values is completely wild

I could probably go on and on. Perhaps only inconsistent difficulty is a truly serious issue. In any case DA:O is definitely 'slick' compared to this.

We must be playing a completely diferent game then (DA:O), you know its possible to end DA:O in "hard dificulty", solo, naked and defeat all the major bosses in the game with no potions, right?


And if you call that balanced, i dont realy know what to say more.

I'm for one am happy that, unlike DA:O, Div 2 lacks any level scaling (the bane of RPGs).

Well, it depends on your definition of level scaling. I definitely didn't like that the bonusses/penalties for fighting enemies of different level than your own have such a dramatic effect. Gear, skills and stats should make the difference, not "magic" differences in level.

I didn't stumble on anything so unbalanced in DA:O. I know people have complained the Arcane Warrior specialization is overpowered. This may be true, but you probably still have to actively seek it out to become so overpowered. In DII you cannot -avoid- running into many places where you'll be killed without a chance and conversely -avoid- towards the end being too high level for you opponents if you do most side-quests.

Untrue. Not only with the arcane warrior spec, but with other mage combos. And its also doable with a duelist rogue (except the potion part ofc). Its also doable with a shield warrior + healing mage if you want to be less radical on the solo part.

Wich is bad for a game that is suposed to be balanced for a party of 4 players, where equipment and skill matters.



Partialy true. i didnt stumble upon of those "unavoidable slaughter scenarios", except ofc if i played badly and skipped most side-quests and i ended up going against +3lvl mobs in a progression zone, but ocasionaly i would go into new areas where i would just steamroll some mobs.


I still think its pointless to compare both games as they are so diferent, but i can't let it pass people saying that DA:O is polished balance-wise, because is one of the least balanced games i've played in the last years, wich doesnt prevent me for still loving the game in general.

That it's "doable" to solo DA:O doesn't mean first time players will run into it. It may even be intended, since it was a popular way to finish Baldur's Gate 2.

Soloing DA:O is an extreme way to play the game and it's your choice to do so. If you play the game "like you're supposed to" I don't think you'll run into serious balance issues. With polish I was referring to the product as a whole. I pointed out the balance issues in DII because it's a -problem-. I don't think there's such a problem in DA:O.

...
Guys, where did you get that one? Even on HARD difficulty game is easy like a pumpkin pie.
Perhaps I've played another D2, alpha-version?

Can't you delete saves from the save/load window? You could in DD and BD, at least.


In XP the saves are in the folder

C:\Documents and Settings\ %username% \Local Settings\Application Data\Divinity 2\Savegames


or in Vista / Win 7

C:\Users\ %username% \AppData\Local\Divinity 2\Savegames\

Of course.......one at a time




Windows 7 here, and nope, AppData doesn't exist in my user dir.

Someone said the locations were the same in Win 7 and Vista. Maybe that was an assumption, or it depends on Windows settings, or how user accounts are configured?

Do you have Windows Explorer set to show hidden files and folders?

Try searching the users folder (or your entire drive) for *.dsg files (someone posted a link for a save past the initial cutscene, named savegame02.dsg ). You may need to go into the advanced search options to have it search in hidden and system folders, etc.

Hmpfs. This is silly. Yeah AppData is a hidden folder.

dude dragon age origins DESTROYS this game. for starters just trying to play dragon age origins is a heck of alot easier than this game*cough*no infinite load screen*Cough*. there are a whole lot more customization options for your character. in dragon age you can choose the race and where your character came from and when you are actually changing how your character face looks instead of the 3 or 4 facial changes you have in this game. i mean you only get to change the hair color between brown or blonde and you cant change how the face looks or the skin color or just about any customization.

i like action rpgs better than the kind of game dragon age origins so i think the combat in this game is better than dragon age origins(but not better than risen). although the combat animations in dragon age surpass this game.

the story is a whole lot better to. the lore in dragon age origins is much MUCH better than this game. as you progress through dragon age you learn about the history and culture of not only fereldan(the country where the game takes place) but other places around the world. you learn about the history of the elves and dwarves. you learn about the blights and the chantry and the darkspawn. in this game you don't really learn about anything. sure there's a reference to the divine here and there but nothing major. the opening cutsceen in dragon age(which you can skip but its pretty awesome so why would you want to) is a hell of alot better than the opening cutsceen in this game(which for some reason you can't skip). the rpg elements in dragon age is way better than in this game. you have alot more skills to choose from just in the mage class in dragon age than all of the classes in this game combined. and im not even counting the specs.

from my knowledge there are also alot more quests and such to keep you busy in dragon age than there are in this game. plus the characters are way way better in dragon age. there are more people that you intersect with and have more personality than in this game. your companions in teh game actually seem like people. they have goals and ideals. not only there but there is romance(not really a plus or nothing just something someone should know if they don't already) there are also more moral choices in dragon age.

basically there is no way some European game developer which is pretty unknown can compete against a behemoths of a game developer, bio ware.

Choice in character appearance is nice, but you are probably going to see a lot more of your character's helmet than hair and face anyway.

I haven't played either game yet, so can't compare them or form an opinion on their relative merits. Not having played D2:ED yourself, according to your last post, I'm not sure how you are able to compare the story, lore, history and quest systems of both games.

A good chunk of what makes a game 'good' is a matter of opinion, and can not be quantified on any kind of commonly accepted scale.
Money and prestige can certainly allow a company to put more resources into a game and attract more candidates for employees, but that is no guarantee of quality. Lots of big companies have produced poor games (etc), and lots of smaller companies have made great ones (and vise versa).
As for being European... well, nobody's perfect, now, are they?

actually i have been playing this game until i got this infinite load screen sometime around level seven. don't get me wrong this game is fun and well worth the money but dragon age origins is a far better game in my opinion.

edit: true that big games can make crappy games i don't remember bio-ware making one crappy game in the past 2 years or so(maybe more).

edit number 2: let me be clear that romance in dragon age doesn't make it any better or worse than this game i was just pointing it out.

also the creature making this gives this game a definite plus over dragon age.

okay you know what scratch that. ive never had this hard of a time to play a game that i bought than any other game i have ever tried. its been 3 days and i am still unable to play this game. seriously this is why i dislike most European developers they (sometimes) make good games but forget the little things and make stupid decisions like this game developer has.

Hopefully the next patch will be released soon, and will fix this problem for everyone.

I've had games that required a fair bit of troubleshooting, research or trial and error to get installed or working properly. The only one that didn't work at all for me was an order game, known to have problems on newer computers (which I found out after the fact). Of course not being able to play a $20 game right away stings a lot less than a $50 game. I eventually had enough old / spare computer parts to build a system for someone, and 'tested' it by playing that game before handing it over.

I do think Dragon Age is a better game as well, but that doesn't mean I don't like this game. I'm in about 30 hours for my second playthrough now, at lvl. 34 and it's great fun. There are a lot of quests, but you'll have to look for them. You have to be independent and you need to look around, something Dragon Age doesn't require of you. It takes you by the hand and, most of the time, tells you where to go. Dragon Age is a SOLID game, but I have seen most of it before.
Divinity 2 is more 'new', especially on consoles. You're dropped in the game and basically that's it... so, something fresh is what Div2 brought in my opinion.

/RAEG

you mean "rage"? well yes a little bit. after trying out how to fix this game for 3 days to no avail.

WHAT IS SARCASM I HAVE NEVER HEARD OF SUCH A THING.

The more I play Ego Draconis the more I'm enjoying it and don't want it to end.

The more I played DA:O the more I just wanted to hurry up and get it over with.

Yes, I am biased in positive way about the games of Larian studios and ...
I wish to support this Belgium developper and so I can't compare DD, BD or D II with other games and game-developpers...
I find it realy fantastic Larian Studios make a game without big money! and also on Xbox, a good thing, thanks Larian!!
I'm sure, many people find Dragon Age and Risen and so on ... better than Divinity II and that I understand.

Divinity II - Ego Draconis, I enjoy this game so much that I haven't a reason to try/play the next months (or longer!) another game!

And futhermore I don't ask myself which game is better, but I follow my "intuition".

And yeah ... Larian Studios: I have confident in them since I played for hours and hours Divine Divinity and Beyond Divinity ... In some ways a find DD better than D II, but in other ways I love D II more than DD! But for now, I stop writing

Risen isn't that good, Div2 is definetly a better game in my book.

When comparing Divine Divinity to other RPGs that were released those years, DD was absolutely freaking amazing. Comparing Div2 to other recent RPGs, the game isn't the same as DD 'achieved' in my eyes. That's the difference, I think.

woah woah woah did you just say risen was not good? the only thing bad about risen is that its very short and the total play area is pretty small but other than that that game was F***in good.

Risen,
it seems great when I look to screenshots and read about it ... but it's not exactly my thing, DA:O also.

So, that's for me as clear as "spring water"

Woah woah, that's just my opinion cupcake. :P

I play pretty much every RPG and other than The Witcher and a few elite others, Risen offers some of the best atmosphere and environments in an RPG. Simply amazing and breathtaking.

agreed, standing near on top of that volcano mountain and just looking over the whole island was awesome. then you could just levitate to any place you wanted to. plus i love how the game makes up for it not having as much horizontal space by having lots of different places stacked up on top of each other. like you could to go one place at chapter 1 then the game sends you back there in chapter 3 into its lower depths. i wish all games were built like that(plus having huge amounts of horizontal area)

Dragon age is totally different game then D2-ED you can't comepare the 2.

If you like party game non exploring rpg,very small areas follow a path with party pause million times save million times and want a simple rpg then you like dragon age other wise go for Divinity 2 i say much better game:)

P.S Oh and forgot to mention a big portion of the game you constantly staring to loadscreens also in Dragon age so annoying:(

Dragon Age starts to have ridiculous long loading screens at some points, I was amazed with how short D2 were (a lot like 2 worlds actually), thou it comes at a price of a lot of stuttering, and it does need to load quite often... but I prefer D2 loadings over Dragon Age ones by far.

Although I really loved dragon age, I enjoyed D2 much more, but that doesn't mean its not a very good game. Even story wise I liked D2 more then DA mostly cuz it didn't have stupid stories about harsh dwarf politics and elves who lives in forests and hates human and the likes, I got sick of those stupid uninteresting lore that so many games came up with lately and still think its original (it wasn't done badly, I just got tired of it). Also D2 delivers its background lore with short books (some with nice humor) while DA thou boring and very long and pointless codex's or something.

However, I really appreciate Dragon Age for making me enjoy and play a game of which genre I mostly hate (I can't stand neverwinter nights, I think all copies of it should be burned). To tell the truth thou, what I liked most about dragon age is how realistic the moving\ running feels, stupid as it may sound, I simply loved running there... (not that it isn't fun in D2 ofc, your jump is epic!)

I LOVE BOTH OF THEM, but I enjoy D2 more for many reasons. I also prefer Risen over Dragon Age, but I haven't finished Risen (which I really like so far) so I can't compare it to D2, and that will make my comment to long if ill write about it

RPG's (emphasis on the ROLE) vary from game to game on how deep the story and lore are a meaningful part of the game. Since DA:O is the "spritual successor" to Baldur's Gate, which is based primarily on Dungeons and Dragons P&P world, it is no surprise that the depth of the lore is somewhat more than a lot of games. The core audience of these games, especially pen and paper D&D, thrive on this aspect of the game. I mean, how can you expect a table top game like that to be played without truly getting absorbed in the story and acting out "roles" in the context of the story. Might as well play yahtzee if you are going to "roll the dice".

By extention, BG and all the follow-ons were designed as an alternative for folks to play...another platform to add a little more realism and immersion...with the hopes of bringing a whole new set of players to the genre.

I realize there have been other RPG's, just using this as an example. Some folks just don't get that aspect of these types of games, while others get it, but can do with/without it, while still others truly thrive and invest themselves in that type of experience. Personally, I'm too A.D.D. for the p&p version, but I appreciate the story in a really well written cRPG, and DA:O is truly one of those.

I hope I enjoy D2 as much, because I definitely enjoyed D1.

I love a well written story just as much, but it seems I grew tired of the traditional D&D world. Still, I felt like dragon age lacked atmosphere. I felt a lot more immersed Fable or Risen. There is something fun about feeling as if your PC is real and as if everything in the world is real (quests with moral choices for example, I want "ppl" to think about me this way or the other), but dragon age quickly ruined this for me quite early somehow, I don't know excatcly what went wrong. Maybe its beacouse of how predictable everything was, but I don't really know.

However I really enjoy D2 story, even if it has some holes and isn't too deep, its more interesting than the one in Dragon Age even if there isn't so much lore in the world. Still, I really like the new short books thing D2 got, I hope more games will have it, for those who are intrested in lore, but only the interesting parts

okay after playing a very long time in divinity 2 im gonna have to say dragon age is still the better game.

the combat in divinity 2 is a heck of alot funner than the combat in dragon age. i really don't like party based rpgs where you need to pause of the time and attacks are automated(like you just click on a target and your char attacks).

the lore, like i said before, is alot better in dragon age. its very deep and just about everything you come across has a codex page about it. so you learn about the entire world and its history by the time the game is done. every monster that you fight has something written about it, all the major organizations has a backstory and most major(and some minors) have a history that updates depending on your actions with them. this game has a few books here and there but you could easily miss them and there isn't to much lore in them.

the story in dragon age is much more epic. you choose your origin and then you get recruited to the grey wardens to save the world from the blight. in this game your some unknown slayer who becomes a dragon knight to stop Damien. its not like you can choose how you character began or anything.

the characters in dragon age is alot better. there are more people to interact with. your party members have goals and ideals and they like you or dislike you according to your actions. not only that there are ALOT more moral choices in dragon age. there should def be more in this game. also i think there should also be a moral compass in this game(and in dragon age) like there was in mass effect or jade empire or KOTOR. also theres romance in dragon age(it doesn't make it any better just putting it out there).

the graphics in dragon age are a little better although this game has some more scenic points.

First of all: it's your opinion AND it's okay to deal this with other people.
Also fine you like Dragon Age so much, have fun with it, I'm serious .

My opinion (about this topic title):
I can't compare both games with each other, never!

But I find it very funny to read and follow this topic

oh and one thing i forgot to mention was the itemization in dragon age is far superior to this games itemization. like everything you get is so random. the chance you can get good gear is pretty low and you have to save before you open every chest to make sure you get something good. so you could go through an entire dungeon and not get anything good. but in dragon age most places you go to have some item that is worthwhile in a certain place. and when you get a good sword off of a slain enemy you'll see that they were actually using that weapon, not like how in this game if you kill a monster it has loot it wasn't even using. and no matter how many times you kill that person your still gonna get that good sword(or axe or whatever) unlike in this game its just so random. also one of the major problems i have in this game(and any rpg that has a item system like it) is when you have a weapon and when you give it enchantments or charms it gets a prefix or a suffix. i mean i totally hate that. in dragon age the strongest weapons have a name not something like destroying death sword of vengeance but vehsallie or adoh(these weapons also have codex entries also).

Dragon age=pause pause loadscreen loadscreen save save cutscenes cutscenes npc's voice conversations npc's voice conversations.

Atual playing is limited you mainly looks at eather cutscenes or freeze screen load or pause.

Dragon age is party game with many extremely small maps/areas and you play by pause game alot and give commands to your party memebers.

If you like to play like that then DAO is for you.

If you realy wanne play a rpg and build up your character by exploring doing quests find artifacts roam world but play constantly with your character and not constantly in a pause/loadscreen then D2 ED is for you:)

While divinity is more in style of oblivion.

D2 ED Compete easy agains bioware and it beats Dragon age by miles.

Only bugs is in the way of been superb RPG if thats fixed it also beats Oblivion.

Dragon age= loadscreen loadscreen pause pause very very small maps actual play maybe30% rest is eather watch story told(witch i agree is very well done but you dont play realy)or watch loadscreen/pause.

You just can't comepare DAO with D2ED there 2 totally different styles of rpg's.

If you like Oblivion/ghotic/risen/two worlds you like Divinity 2 if you like watching loadscreens and play in extremely small areas maps and almost ZERO exploring you like Dragon age.

And becouse Dragon age is made by bioware that dont mean its good and notthing can come close that bull....

hm.....im gonna have to disagree with you there. there is alot of combat in dragon age origins. the difference between this game and dragon age though is that for dragon age your'll have a period of not fighting and just talking to people(your compaions, people to advance quests) then yourll go for long periods of just straight up fighting. in this game its just a bunch of fighting(not saying its wrong or anything) then like a quick second of talking then back to the action. that is fine and all but that kind of set up is pretty simple and gets boring fast.

to me the maps in dragon age range from small to fairly large but all in all i think the total area you'll explore in dragon age is much larger than the area you'll explore in this game. i was surprised to see how in this game you have one big area to explore(as the story progresses you get more) although that leads to little variation in the places you visit. there is alto of exploring in this game. in dragon age you'll be in a forest and a ruined temples, you'll go on plains and in a city deep underground, tunnels deep deep underground and in a giant tower and in various towns(depending if you got the dlc). while in this game you'll be on a canyon then a island then another canyon(yet this one is filled with water to a certain point). im gonna have to say dragon ages system was a tad bit better than this ones in the map department although it would be EPIC if this game's sequel(as i hope there will be one) could do a little of what dragon age and not only have these big maps but also diversify where you visit a little and make the environments more...exotic.

when i played dragon age i hardly paused the map except on very epic fights but i just think that adds to the tactical ness. you can't just charge in and waste everyone. although like i said before i enjoyed divinity 2's combat system far more than i did dragon age.


did and also i don't know what kind of computer you have(probably crappy) but the load times for me in dragon age are just as short as they are in this game.

well hold up dude. the amount of rpg elements in dragon age are way more than the ones in this game. theres more customizations and way more different ways to build your character and play(the mage class ALONE has more skills to pick than all of this games classes combined and its diversity is much more). oh and im gonna have to say dragon age lasted far longer than this game.

I like Dragon Age, but Div 2 is my game of the year, followed by Drakensang.

What I don't like about Dragon Age is that it hides the games' rules. Unlike Drakensang or Neverwinter Nights, it hides the combat window with the rolls, damage calculations, spell saves, etc.

One never knows what's going on during combat... "OK, my attack missed... my spell was resisted... but why?" Even the manual doesn't explain the core rules of the system in detail... one needs to go delving on the BioWare forums for that.

I do not mind that Dragon Age has a lot of combat, after all Baldur's Gate did too, but the problem I'm having is that one can use the same tactics through the entire game to win. E.g. freezing spell followed by shattering enemies.

Baldur's Gate has a lot more variety in enemies (& dungeons) that required constant changing of tactics (spells, special magical weapons, etc.). Dragon Age feels a lot like a MMO with the cooldowns on spells & abilities.

As for the story, it is the typical high fantasy "go and beat the evil & save the world" that BioWare has used in all their games (save perhaps Jade Empire)... also they used the same character archetypes as always. I do not really mind that... for me the most important is a believable game world & setting with in depth lore and in this BioWare delivered. The Codex is quite interesting to read... though perhaps they did copy paste some real-life cultures & countries in the game a bit too blatantly (e.g. Orlais = France & Antiva = Spain).

actually antiva is modeled after Italy not Spain. most rpg's if not all of them take influences from real world counterparts. i personally don't see the countries in dragon age to bear to strong of a resemblance from there real world counterpart(except for orlaies) and did drakensang tell you about the game rules? i think it did but i don't remember its been like 2 months since i last played it. and the story that dragon age , if you look at the gist of it, is the same as this games. although for a good 1-3 hours its just kill all dragons then it becomes defeat evil force(damien) and save the world. so you can't really complain about dragon age origins story and then praise this games in my opinion.

I have played both of them and I love both of them, and although dragon age story is very nice, D2 one certainly feels much more "epic". And I like it. Dragon age felt to much like your typical dark (?) fantasy setting, and did a big mistake witch ruined much of the settings when deciding that almost all quests have a clear good\ bad paths, instead of the true dark fantasy grey way. Dragon Age had wonderfull dialouges, writtings, and some cleaver moments (endings, the scene of both of the battles), but it failed to deliver a true atmosphere and more importantly, the actual game had nothing to do with the "epicness" you felt when watching the movies (or worse, the dirty marketing they done with the trailers). D2 however never fails, it knows what you expcet to see and want to see, and it delivers it. And beacouse its also sort of more linear, it allows the story to be delivered better. Instead of breaking it into 3\4 parts like dragon age felt, and it also had some design pluses in my opinion (like less and less talking the further you go, like one podcast says, player is less intreasted in making choices the further he goes).

I also have to disagrees with what you said about items. Don't forget D2 is a loot game, its supposed to be like that. Besides, while in Dragon Age you find good stuff when looting enemies\ dungeons, you (usally) find shitty things on the market, while in D2 you always find very nice things on the market (which are random and thats good) and you never really lack money to get them. Also you have control over charms and enchanments, mostly, so you can balance stuff. It is however more satisfying to find a new weapon or armor in DA, but mainly beacouse its just so rare and there are only around 7 tiers (not like D2 has more, but you do come across new gear very often in D2 cuz its all random).

I personal find it a nice thing much gear I find in chests, barrels, crates etc is RANDOMLY ! And I don't care about it what kind of gear I find, so I don't save and reload whole the time to have the best gear, o no ... For me, that's a little like "cheating" ...
The randomly of "loot" is for me fun and give me, amongst other things, the most greatest replayability!
I think I find it boring if I known the next time I play a game which gear I would find on specific places ... It's just the fun to find randomly items !! But that's also MY personal opinion!!

The world of both games are for sure NOT the same.
I'm more than satified about the world of D II ... there're many hidden dungeons, chambers, etc ... And there is also many variation in this world.

But I think you love DA:O much more (and I love D II: ED a lot and I love singleplayer - that's enough ).

I believe: the more you make a good word about DA:O on this forum, the more you make D II:ED better!

Great fun to read this topic

i seriously disagree with you about the good/bad choices. those are extremely fun and add a WHOLE lot of replayability. they did not ruin the atmosphere of the game. you sir are a very small SMALL minority of gamers who felt that way about dragon age. most people love those moral choices. i wish this game had more moral choices. it feels like your not your char is not really you in a sense. the game play in dragon age doesn't have that epic feel you get when you watch the movies. and the marketing thing was spot on. i HATE how bioware gave us so many spoilers about this game*cough*broodmother*cough* so there was hardly any surprise. i also think divinity 2 had a much more "epic" feel during certain parts of the gameplay, like when you turn into a dragon for instance. im still confused about weather i like dragon ages go-where-you-want-to kind of game play(like you go get the allies) or this games more linear storyline. im gonna have to go with this games though i wish i could go back and explore broken vally(i forgot to finish all the quests) but other than that its all good.

yes i realize that D2 is a loot game and i have a special hatred of loot games. they just seem so unrealistic. not only that in dragon age if you need a good weapon you can look at a guide and they will tell you the exact location of a good weapon. in this game if you need some new gear(or just trying to find a really good one) then your gonna have to go in front of a chest and save-reload-save-reload until you get what you want. that process is so tiresome and gets boring fast. and sometimes if you fight a boss in this game and you kill him chances are you might not get anything good but in dragon age you know that if you just fought through a bunch of minions and you finally defeat a boss your getting some good stuff. yes the shops in dragon age have some crappy gear but that gear stays constant unless there is a reason the stock updates. and your also going to find some good gear at a merchant also.

I find it just very funny, when I play a game, I don't know before whitch kind of gear I would find!
The "surprize" of this is fun, my opinion!

I can imagine that "save-reload-save-reload until you get what you want" is very boring!!
But why do you something like this if you find that boring???? Boring yourself and why?
I play like a game comes or don't play it if you hatred loot games or whatever!
But on the other hand : do what you want, you're free!

I found many good loot and never "save-reload-save-reload" ! I'm happy with the gear I can nibble ...

In that case: you can better play DA:O and have fun with the game you realy love more to play without "boring acts"
Enjoy & have a lot of fun, that's, what I believe, the most important thing for me to play a game!! And the only thing why I not play DA:O (or any other game) is simply like this: because for the moment, D II: ED asks my full attention

if you play dragon age origins you won't know what kind of gear you will get either but if you want to know where the strongest weapon in the game is or whatever you can be confident that someone can tell you exactly where it is.

you don't see how saving before you open a chest and if you don't get what you want you reload to the previous save is boring? what? and the reason why i DO that is because the combat is extremely fun and i want some good gear so i do the save-reload thing. the only time when you are sure your gonna get some good gear is those armor sets in those flying forts and even they are not as good as the stuff you get when you do the save-reload unless there is some really really good stat bonus for wearing all of the gear at once.

im not saying divinity 2 is not fun or is a bad game, quite the contrary. im just stating that there are aspects of this game which dragon age origins is better and vice versa. the whole loot system that this game(and many many others) have is just absurd and extremely boring.

With all due respect this thread is basicaly :


PLayer 1: "I like D2 because it has more white than DA:O"
Player 2: "White sucks. BLue is clearly better and DAO has plenty of blue"
Player 3: "I love grey in games. Both have various tones of grey but DAO has a little more so i vote DAO"
PLayer 1: "WTF? grey? blue? white is clearly better, are you all blind?!!!?"
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No offense to anyone please, but as comparing colors and other pointless things, comparing 2 games that are completely diferent is just the same.

I completely avoid the save-reload process. I simply realized you can always easily find good gear at the shops, and it restocks almost each time I visit any of them. There was once a long period I remember where I couldn't find any good weapon, but it was only once. And also not all is so completely random, like the sword you get from the messed up necromancer whom I forgot his name, or the sword of that ghost dragon slayer you meet early on. Hoover, I also dislike randomized loot. But in D2 I didn't hate it much, unlike other loot based games like Torchlight for example (which was very stupid in how it handled loot, still fun game thou).

And what I meant about morale quests, is not that they are bad, on the contrary I also like them, the problem with DA is that it lack grey areas. There is mostly COMPLETE GOOD or COMPLETE BAD. Grey quests are very rare (there are some very good ones but still rare), and many quests which are supposed to be "grey" have a third outcome which satisfies both sides, so you can almost always get the good outcome for everyone, it just ruined dragon ages atmosphere (SPOILER: the elves and werewolves for example). Ofc, D2 isn't excatcly doing better in this area as well, but it still delivers a great feeling of athmosphere (not sure which kind it supposed to be, but its diffidently there).

oh okay i see what you mean bout the grey moral chocies and stuff. although i personally don't see how they could pull that off in dragon age or just about any game for that matter. like what is a grey morality choice going to do? is it going to help them or is it going to hurt them, if it helps them then it would be a good thing unless its like you help them by doing something bad to them first i guess. is that what your talkin about with the grey morality choices.

and almost all the time i do the evil path in every game i play if it allows you to do choices so having a grey morality isn't really the problem for me. and with the elves and the were wolves there is a " grey morality" you can side with the zatherin(elves) to kill witherfang and swiftrunner, you can ally with the werewolves to kill all the elves but the middle ground is where you attack zatherin with the help of the werewolves and you convince zatherin to remove teh curse thus killing himself and witherfang and cure the werewolves.

i disagree, one these games are not completly different. yes they have totally different gameplay mechanics there both rpgs and thus both are comparable.

Yea thats what I meant. I felt like to many quests had the middle ground. The wolves and elves one is that you eventually convince zatherin (how the hell did u remember his name?) to do the good thing, and sure he kills himself but he understand its the right thing to do and its obvious its the right thing to do. So there no hard choice here, its the ultimate solution. A good grey are quest, very very good one was the conflict between the two dwarf kings. There you need to think and take interest in both of them before you can deiced which of them is better, thou overall both have pros and cons. None of them is evil or good, but they both oppose each other with good basis, now thats a great grey plot, ultimately you decide which of them you prefer, but you will still wonder about it and maybe even "regret" it. But there are many ways to achieve atmosphere, perhaps what ruined it for me in DA was the cliche story maybe?

Anyway I feel like theres no direction for this conversation to go to anymore so Ill cut it here by saying I love both of these games

I liked both games too. Both have weaknesses and superiorities, but frankly, Draconis is far more innovative and entertaining. I really loved the dogfighting in the sky with other fliers and dodging with AA gun batteries (:) ballista and lightning towers, don't they seem a little bit scienfiction). Even you have fire-and-forget missiles (:)some kind of dragon fireball) chasing the target. As far as I know nobody did that in a fantasy rpg game. Only missing part is to attack ground targets in the dragon form. I would really like to diving and grilling those sneaky little goblin scourge while they stampede away in terror. Maybe Larian think that for the next release, if it will be. Maybe the company thought that nobody will use human form if the dragon form can attack ground enemies, and the game will transform into an arcade game.

And the combat experience is fascinating. In Dragon Age, like its predeccors NWN1/2, battles are rather a tactical dilemma, I mean, hold your party in the formation, keep brute guys ahead, protect the missile and spellcaster units .... That gives different kind of tastes of course, but you hardly can feel the adrenaline. In Draconis, with a few pushes of button, you can make stunning moves and feel the heat of battle.

I really adored Dragon Age's epic musics. But Draconis' ones are also really good. And who devised to use hard rock musics in the most dangerous encounters? It was exactly amazing to listen rock while slashing sword for your life.

Couldn't agree more
When you said mudic however, you just reminded me the cutscene in DA when the fight for ostagar starts... It was so epic, the dogs run, some get killed, some men in the army look away... And then he tells them to charge, just when the music really kicks in, and you see the whole army run straight towards the darkspwan... I loved that part, too bad you didn't get any of that feeling during gameplay (not like it wasn't fun ofc, I hated NWN2 but DA gameplay is quite fun). Seems like I dont have anything to add other then that little memory I just recalled from DA

The 'warrior' character in the action RPG I of the Dragon had a 'fire missile' attack that would track targets, though it did less damage than the 'fire blast' straight fireball (there was also a short range 'fire breath' attack, which was more powerful than either distance attack).


D2:ED has not been released everywhere yet.


Hedehodo, please do not talk about the end of the game (in a topic not titled so that people would know it was about the end of the game) without using spoiler tags. Please edit your post to add spoiler tags, or remove specifics about the end of the game.

Also, welcome to the forum. ... but still a bit


Everybody - be carefull with spoilers - Please!


Zomgnome; please do not quote people who talk about the end of the game (in a topic not titled so that people would know it was about the end of the game) without using spoiler tags. Even if they go back and edit their post, the spoiler would still be there unless you did the same. Which you should do, please.


Not that this particular instance was the worst offense for this, but when Divinity 3 is released anywhere, I'm quitting the forum until I have completed the game.

ah dude i read your post and spoiled the ending. total bummer man

Chevy Corvettes and Ford F-150s are both cars, but comparing them is senseless and you can draw no conclusion as to which is better. There are more differences than similarities that can be drawn between DA:O and D2. Apples and oranges, mate.

Better example, Land Rover Discovery VS. Cadillac Escalade. Both are SUVs, both are "supposed" to go offroad, both have huge price tags, both are well equipped, both waste a lot of fuel, both make you feel high and mighty, but only one of them is actually an offroad SUV.
Same goes with D2 ED and DAO, and in this particular case DAO is the Escalade.

So wait wait...you're saying that DAO is less of a pure RPG than D2?

I can say that I am enjoying this game more than DA:O.

Exactly. And i`ve already pointed out why earlyer in the topic.

Sorry raze, and thanks for your welcome. I was thinking that you had to be completed the game to compare it with other games. That includes the ending as well. I'll stop to mention it.


Everybody - be carefull with spoilers - Please!


Zomgnome; please do not quote people who talk about the end of the game (in a topic not titled so that people would know it was about the end of the game) without using spoiler tags. Even if they go back and edit their post, the spoiler would still be there unless you did the same. Which you should do, please.


Not that this particular instance was the worst offense for this, but when Divinity 3 is released anywhere, I'm quitting the forum until I have completed the game. [/quote]

The same goes for you as well khornedragon, sorry for revealing the ending. But I cant imagine that why anyone read a comparison thread when playing the game actually, continue playing and you'll have your final idea at the end. Will u stop playing the game if nobody likes it? Still sorry again...

Happy to agree with you Zonegnome. But some people, maybe rightfully go against mentioning the ending of the game. I just removed related sentences from my post. Please you to do the same. Regarding your ideas about the musics of DA, I agree... DA is much more dramatic and profound in terms of storyline, cinematics and effect of your decisions to the ending. But Draconis are adding new concepts and saving us from cliche heroism concepts.

The most accurate comparison may be better made after finishing both games, but that doesn't mean only people who have finished the games would be interested in the comparison.
Reviews can be fairly subjective, and use a lot of relative descriptions. A topic comparing games (or listing favourite games, etc) can give you a better idea of what to expect, especially if one or more people involved tend to hold the same opinion as you for other games. If I generally agree with someone for games I have played, I'm more likely to buy or check out a demo for one that they like (which I've done so for several games mentioned in the RPG Chat forum or in various topics discussing DD and BD).

If a game is boring or repetitive and you quit half way through, that doesn't mean you can not compare it to other games. It may get better, but you can certainly form an opinion based on what you played. Likewise if a game is amazing and fun but you are not done yet, you can still compare it to other games. Maybe the story falls flat at the end or it gets too easy/hard which may lower your overall opinion, but generally speaking it is usually clear from the context if someone has finished a game or not.

Let me say, i've played to DA:O until yesterday and i found it one of the best RPG ever made.
Your party is highly detailed in both graphics and story, gameplay if fluid and there are no significative bugs (they found a solution for the memory leak).
Also, DA got multiple ending and before you discover all the path (the starting story will change if you choose a different race/class) you can play anew quite some time. All that say, there is the romance and the interaction bethwen your party members...

Anyway, i didn't finish D2 yet, so a real comparison cannot be made, but... well, my first 6 hours of play aren't impressing me. In D2 bugs goes ramapage, gameplay is often frustrating, graphics can be done better and item collectable are not highlighted at distance... mean you will lose your sight to spot something and you need to be really close to "pick/activate" it.

I will resume play after the patch... let's see if thing get better

DA is an okay game for sure, but after playing & finishing it I just couldn't shrug off the feeling that everything I experienced in the game I had already experienced elsewhere... characters & story were basically copy pasted from previous BioWare games. Nothing to write home about.

Replay value in DA for me is dubious, since none of the Origins have any effect on how the main storyline plays out. There are just some cosmetic changes in how a few characters address the main character based on certain happenings in the origin.


It wasn't very epic at all. It was, in fact, idiotic how the defending army stood right in front of a FORTRESS & then even charged an attacking army instead of making use of the fortifications and letting the Darkspawn come to them...

They actually didn't do anything idiotic in my opinion. Besides, the epicness came from how large both armys where, how you could see the battle begining and how the music kicks in. Theres a really good moment there.
early DA spoilers:


I've deleted the spoiler from my quote sorry about that...
Anyway hedehodo, about the ending of D2:

I think you simply want DA:O looking bad for personal reason.
Music, story and movie are epic like none of the RPG you can find on the market.
If you don't like epic then is your problem, if the game has given you problem then is another story, but don't go around saying DA:O is not epic, because is not true at all

What`s so epic about DAO, fanboys?

Maybe because they tried to mimic Lord of the Rings as much as possible?

Even thou this comment was not directed at me, I will show you what I found to be a very epic moment.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GVrXW0WVXYw
2:25. Music did the job here for me.

I hope you've read more then the last few posts or you wouldn't understand the origin of this point \:

If George Lucas had made that cutscene, the humans would have won. They had the high ground.

Sorry but I dont see what George Lucas have to do with this.

The humans didn't have the high ground, they were on a "flat" ground like the darskpwan were. Archers ofc, were high, but most of them were easily killed, and there weren't many of them anyway. I don't see why you question biowares decisions and making of this movie, and why you even care so much about it. It dosent even need to make sense, thou it does. Just considering the fact that the darkspwn outnumberd the humans BY FAR, (without considering half of those unist belonged to loghain), and don't forget that the darskpawn has units stronger then normal humans, ogers for example.

... why even the music made me think about Peter Jackson's adaptation of the Lord of the Ring? Epic, maybe, but not very original... That kind of pathos, you can find it as far as Tasso's Gerusalemme deliberata.

Mhm, so it`s just that one cutscene that makes the game epic. I see. Don`t make me laugh.

As I thought, you haven't read my post. My original point was about how Dragon Age is very ambitious, yet lacks an epic feel to it in its gameplay, probably beacouse it lacks atmosphere. And that the only epic moments are the cutscenes (usually), which makes it disappointing and a bit sad when you think about the marketing of trailers Bioware did with Dragon Age. And really, before you comment on a game, play it. I never get it how ppl judge games without even touching them, how many times can one bring up the food example for this one? But I guess it suits someone who comments on your posts without knowing the base for them.



One of the reasons I like D2 is the fact that its story is pretty original. No more "harsh" dwarf politics' tree hugging elves, and uninteresting lore which I grew tired of. But even if its far from original, don't forget, Bioware always wanted to go this way, NWN1, NWN2. Its a D&D game, its aimed for ppl who like D&D, and therefore is set in the world of D&D. You can be disappointed about the world being very unoriginal, but you can't blame the game for being what its supposed to be. Its like saying "wait this FPS game has guns in it? Oh thats not new who cares about that". I grew tiered of this setting as well, but at least its well done, and as long as its well done whether its original or not doesn't mean anything. And in Dragon Age, its very well done. More important thou is the people of the world, and like every RPG, the main quest really isn't the main thing (just like D2, only in D2 its certainly more connected and intriguing for sure).

Interesting how few posts ago I said stuff against DA and now I suddenly "defend it". Guess thats how it is when you can actually love more then one game

Hello everyone,

Interesting topic,
I played my share of rpg's and I must say that I find it difficult to state wich one is better in black/white terms because the gameplay is entirely different. The storytelling in Dragon Age has more of a blockbustermovie feeling to it and though you've seen it all before, it still absorbs you're undying attention in my opinion. The characterevolution is far better developed in Dragon Age, the maincharacters have their own backgrounds and all react differently to you're decisions.
You're in the middle of a big lotr kinda 'end of the world thing' told in massive cutscènes and that's what makes it epic I think.
In DII you have to explore the storyline more on you're own and after a while you're getting into it. Now don't get me wrong, I'm not saying DA is a better game because of this, it's just a different approach of storytelling in my humble opinion...

I love both the games Btw and I'm playing DII at level 24 and still enjoying it.

grtz

Oi, Zomgnome, you remind me of Raven.rpg, you a stalker of mine aswell? Saying i haven`t played a game means you know what i`ve done and what i havent. I`ve even made a review about DAO, read it if you like.
You`re wrong about one thing. One thing that DAO has is atmosphere and it`s been a long time since a game had one, what it doesn`t have is the freedom of choice that an RPG has to have, making it a more adventure game, rather than RPG. Giving the main character a sword and some dialogue lines don`t make a game into an RPG.

I agree with Raze about spoilertags etc ...
Me to still play D II ANd read this topic, because I find it funny and also very interesting to read many opinios about the two games...


Some of my "Notes" :
For me, D II is realy "the game I wish to play"
I love this game on all aspects. It is, like all things in life, not perfect (fortunately!) ...
And the more I read in this (and other) fora about people they play(ed) D II:
Divinity II is for many, most of all "impatient people",
"not what it seems to be!"
For example: many quests are hidden behind NPC dialogs, Mindreading or ... !
My opinion: I will enjoy a game at all and not rush through a game ..
But sometimes I'm impatient too ... because I'm most of the time very curious!
And that's big fun too ... so I don't discover all things in a game at the first time I play a game.

My opinion: when I play a game I wish to enjoy the game .. And I think I can enjoy many RPG's, also DA:O ... BUT I have my preferences

It's very subjective (I known), but I go in the first place for Divinity II - Ego Draconis because of Larian: it's from Belgium & Divine Divnity was for me also a very enjoyable game-experience, so I had all confidence in Larian and D II!

Firstly I don't know who Raven.rpg is (thou maybe I've seen this nick on Risen's forums not sure)...

Actually I have read your review, it was pretty nice actually, only lacked quite a lot of info in my opinion (and was to much opinion oriented for my taste). I still stick to my post, before you comment on a game, play it. I don't consider you as someone who've played Dragon Age, I consider you as someonw who reviewd\ critisized Dragon Age. And I do that beacous I already know you haven't even read one of my former posts that each of them (mostly) would have made my point clear. DA lacked epicness aside from cut scene ("Mhm, so it`s just that one cutscene that makes the game epic. I see. Don`t make me laugh."). Besides I didn't like your comment so it was easy to write something a bit exaggerated.

Anyway this is pretty , so...

I'm very surprised you think that. I clearly felt the lack of atmosphere Dragon Age was. It didn't have any real direction, it wasn't D&D, nor was it really dark fantasy, it wasn't clear. It had a very unoriginal story, quite well done, but unoriginal, generic and very unoriginal settings, generic and unoriginal music (good music, that suit the game thou). All this together just makes the whole game feel like it lacks atmosphere. I have felt it a lot more in D2, and certainly in Risen.
Lack of choices? You mean freedom of world or choices? I don't have any idea where you get that one from, DA has a lot of choices, like you would expect from bioware. Many little quests have choices, many major quests have choices, even in the beginning of the game you already start making choices. Its true that many "small choices" doesn't affect much, but there are certainly a lot of choices. Besides RPGs doesn't need to have choices, thou its certainly the tradition (this isn't D&D after all...) And if you compare the choices you make in Dragon Age to those of Risen or D2 I really don't see any problem with numbers.

DA is very "true RPG" in my opinion. Sure the lack of freedom in the world might hurt it a bit, but its very deep and RPGs where always defined by gameplay and story depth mostly, DA has plenty of it

I agree about the atmosphere in DA. It is a fine game, but everything feels utterly generic to me... whilst games like the Witcher, Divinity 2, Drakensang, Gothic, Risen feel unique to me. It seems that for what European developed games lack in graphical polish, they make up for it by the combination of unique art direction & memorable music.

Sorry my English is not the best. I am one of the German Fan's of Divinity 2. But I think the same as virumor does.
Divinity 2 was a game with inovation these I relly like. for exampel that you kann Change your appearance. When ever you like. In DAO or mass effect it is cruel that you can't Change anything.
And I could list some other. But i think we all has our own points we like about that game.

But DA:O Ist in the First way not A Game that you can play like Div2. Div2 is designed for Action and not as a tactik RPG.

I have play Knights of the old Republic, Mass Effect and Jade Empire. I have tested NWN and NWN2 but these was not my taste, so i not finished them. But my Greatest Disappointment in DAO is that you never has the felling that you must hurry in your mission. You can travel from one end of Ferelden to the other and back and then move to a other end. and the Darkspwan "Yes Yes we what, take your time".

Next point is were was that Dark Fantasy part(please don't start a diskussion about Dark Fantasy. I think you now what i mean) In the Witcher there was these atmoshpere. And yes I has got the feeling it is a realistik Medieval world. But in DA:O mh...... Sorry yes their was a lot of Blood but the Atmosphere have not capture me like the witcher did.
And it was the same mission design like ever. First introduction than Collect your allis(starmaps(Kotor), or search for saren(ME)) and than the final part. Choose of the new King. Final battle and the End. Sorry Yes in DA:O you can made a lot more of chooses like in Div2. But it is the same design like ever. The only game that jump out of line is Jade Empire. And i think it was not wrong for that game. But DA:O was simple to much Bioware mission standard.

So I hope you could Understand was what i write and don't understand me wrong.

okay i just finished both games and i have to say for the third time that dragon age is without a doubt a superior game. ive already listed the reasons except for one. the endings. the ending in this game is HORRIBLE i mean it has a bunch of unfinished answers. there are so many things that you don't understand by the games end. when dragon age origins ends you see a dragon getting gutted then finally killed in one epic way. then you actually see how your actions impacts the games ending. i can't believe larian studios would make such an ending for this game.

this forum has so many divinity 2 fanboys its not even funny. i think its cause you people are european and are simply biased towards larian studios. i mean Zomgnome how can you say dragon age origins story and music are unoriginal yet this games story and music is not? is not?dragon age origins puts its own creative spin into the dwarfs and elves and adds background as to why all these things are happening. the only background you get in this game is far less original than the background in dragon age. its just dragon slayers hate dragon knights. and that maxos was given power to make dragon knights by the drgons. thats just about the only background you get. you don't learn about the chapions or seekers. you don't learn about aleroth or rivertown. you don't learn about how the black ring was made. in dragon age every creature has a codex page about it. not this game. you learn absolutely nothing about how the skeletons are made or about the wyverns or even those gunships. and yes this game had a far far more epic feel to it. you can influence the world in dragon age. you can't do squat in this game. yes there are some tiny moral choices in this game but they don't affect major things in this game like how people act or how things are going to be different. nope the only morality choices you get are weather you want to be mean to someone and probably fight them or be nice to them and do whatever they say.

Gee, I wonder why.

lol yeah i deserve a chop

im amzed how people who are german can speak that good of english(well it wasn't good but it was alright) but i can't speak a tiny amount of german. amazing.

You're right there is a difference between european and american players, but it cant be explained simply by putting "biasing towards Larian studios". You americans have a simple and childish view of life: take the job even nobody wants you to take it, kill all who oppose you, complete the mission even your friends (europeans)betrayed you, take the girl and go home. Your intellectual shallowness prevents you to see the real end. The life is not that simple. Dragon Age is an american game that I really loved, but still has the same cliche I mentioned. On the other hand Draconis, as its predecessors did, manifests that the life is unforeseeable, even heros may err in their judgments and can be used by smarter people, and eventually cant be sure to whom they served. PC in Divinity couldnt kill the baby Damian, and later you helped Damian to escape from Hell. Like old greek tragedies and comedies in which almost all heroes proved to be helpless and useless. I say again I really liked Dragon Age and hated the ending of Draconis, but I still choose Draconis, we need such games.

orly?
UNEXPECTED!

Thank you.

Just so you know I'm not American or European so I'm not in favor of either side...
And man my posts are getting too stretched :|

The music shines in some moments, but sadly those moments are very far away from each other while most of the time the music just goes into the background of the game (and so I don't actually remember ever hearing it clearly, I can't even say with a full heart thats its good, I only remember the music I've heard during cut scene just like most games like this...) its the traditional type of music you would except, like the LOTR movies (thou I always find those movies boring so I never really noticed its music). And yet, DA isn't trying to be original, it takes the traditional settings & music style and just tries to make the best of it.


Dude, I've seen the same kind of dwarfs with "strict political views living in stone" in Arragon (sorry I'm not sure how you write it). The only new thing about elves was that they were slaves, but elves being treated as a poor sub-race\ servants, while other elves try to fight the humans is a lot like the world of The Witcher (and it has similarities to other traditional dark fantasy worlds). The biggest problem with the lack of originality is that even in Biowares own games the concept of the story is the same as many other of their former games.


This is very true, Dragon Age is stuffed with lore and in depth world details. But this is only appealing for those who seek this kind of a D&D world, which is already pretty much standard. The problem is that I was never one of those who really cared for those kind of tales, and I've always liked games that presented lore in an interesting way, and only the interesting lore at that. D2 books, for example, are short, fun to read, and well done. D1 tried to make a deep world with lore, it had long boring books (even if it tried to make it funny), and so I never liked them. And also Dragon Age has a deep world of lore, but the lore itself isn't original as well, so it makes it even less interesting for me. I guess this one depence on the player, but I bet that even those who enjoy DA story more would find it to be unoriginal, yet again, it isn't trying to be original...

But oh man, the gunships, like wtf? They didn't fit D2 world at all (well maybe cuz D2 didn't even try to make them fit) I really feel like they should have been explained in the game, and the seekers and stuff like that are not really presented as they should be as well and sort of confusing, I agree, thanks for making these points clearer.


Epic feel is one thing, influence and change the world is anther. Dragon Age has his fare share of morale quests and differences, and with that anyone has to agree the world does change (well sort of, aside from the endings most choices won't be seen in the long run other then making somone like you\ hate you, but I didn't experiment with that). Its well done, gives you the freedom to "live you own tale" the way you want to. But I didn't get attached to my hero this way as I was in Fable, where I've always felt satisfied with my "accomplishments". Dragon Age dosent make you feel like one of the few last Grey Wardens should. The thing is that here D2 is different, it doesn't try to make a world with your choices changing it. True I would have liked a changing world with characters and stuff better then simple morale choices that only makes differences in whether you kill him or let him live, but I never had a problem with it since D2 isn't about it. Its story just has a strong concept. Even if its true that whenever you throw dragons into the story it makes the whole story feel sort of unoriginal, if you really think about D2 one you'll find Damian to be an interesting char, its twists to be unexpected, its logical lore (like the hall of echoes is an interesting take even if it isn't completely new) and the whole thing about the Divine and the betrayal of the dragon knights to be interesting enough. I guess this one also depence on the player in the end.

Marvel at perfection, for it is fleeting

Sadly, I think I have to agree with you. It's worth noting, though, that many of DA's trailers were not made by Bioware - and I think it shows. Even the modeling of the character's faces is different. Two visions of the same story were being presented and I think it would have been better if Bioware had made their own trailers and presented us with their vision.



I really hate to be put into the position of defending Americans but anyone who would say such a thing is possessed of an equally simple view of life.



Dragon Age is a Canadian game.

"You americans have a simple and childish view of life"

I don't agree with the governments view neither foreign or domestic, but your comment is childish at best. You're making broad generalizations. The majority oppose the direction the US is headed and has been opposed to it for quite a while. Blame the government, not the people. Governments lead their people to slaughter for an agenda.

You're right, I have nothing to add, its an another generalization that I made. But I did this due to Khornedragon's argument "biased towards Draconis since you're European". We are arguing just games here, nothing more. But its obvious that there are differences between European and American produced games. Unfortunately we're dealing in this topic two such games. It's best if we end that discussion here.

Got both games for Christmas I'll be playing DA 2x (good guy and then a barbarian warrior)
After that I'll give Ego Draconis a go. I know I'll love both. Neither Bioware nor Larian Studios has ever dissapointed me. But undoubtably I'll prefer Dragon Age: Origins for multiple runthroughs in sequence. While Ego Draconis I'll play less (though still several times most likely)

I agree on most you say and also prefer divinity 2 over DAO but there 2 totally different games you can't comepare them.

DAO is a very simple game just follow path do simple quest pause game give orders plus nice story but depthness or difficult NOWAY DAO is very easy even on veryhard mode game is still simplistic you only need to be better at giving commands and pause and organise better thats all, not much thinking needed in DAO.

Ok, I HAD to post something here.

I can't believe what I am reading. People are starting to compare 2 games and end up throwing dirt at each other’s face for being separated by an ocean. In the first place, I don’t like to compare two games because it never evolves into an intellectual conclusion. Instead of telling in what a game is good at, most tend to bash it to kingdom come so they can feel better about their own failures in life.

I played almost any RPG, JRPG, MMORPG and F2PRPG there is. Not only because it was my job, but also because it is my passion. I like to explore, discover, be amazed, become stronger and beat the crap out of everything I encounter. Be it for revenge or to buy that shiny new blade. I take every game as it comes and give my true opinion on it, but I don’t compare. There are always things we don’t even consider and take for granted. We all have our own reasons to like or dislike a game.

For example, why did no one take the fact into account with what budget the games are made? It’s easy to say DA:O is so amazing when they have 10 times the budget and 5 times the man power. You know, this is the First full 3D RPG Larian studios made and the third RPG period. It’s a small Belgian studio compared to the massive Bioware. I’m not a fan boy and enjoyed all the games for different reasons, but man am I proud of what those guys did considering what they had to work with !!! I’m playing games for more than 25 years now and I don’t like where all this internet community of “I am GOD so my word is true” is going to. There is so much frustration and negativity going on that some just make an account so they can troll without having anything slightly constructive to tell.

I don’t post a lot, I play the games instead.

Actually, it is not so small anymore. There was an interview with Sven about D2 developing process, find it. Tons of ppl was involved into project. Perhaps that's why game is a mess and contradicts himself in some aspects (between FMVs and in-game gfx, setting, plot, etc...).
Bad dev process control is bad.

Divinity II: Ego Draconis is an excellent first time 3D RPG for Larian. They no doubt had a smaller budget and team, too, so you have to take that into consideration.

Dragon Age: Origins is also a fantastic game, and as you call tell by my sig, I like it a hell of a lot.

I think both are top notch titles when you take everything into consideration (including budget, dev team size, etc). One person may prefer one over the other, but I think real fans of RPG's can appreciate both for what they are.

OK, but you still can't compare it. If you are a smaller studio with a smaller budget, you need to outsource some of the work and you can't afford the best in business. So don't blame the poor development and praise the fact they succeded to deliver such a product were a lot of other bigger compagnies with much more money and ressources failed.

And don't get me wrong .. I realy love DA:O .. but i'm also proud of what our little country contributed to the gaming industry

The game is still awesome, indeed.

"Better than Dragon Age?" Well this I can not comment on because I have purposely refused to play the Demo so as not to spoil the finished game that I will begin to play tonight! I have been playing DA:O from the the games release day and my honest opinion of DA:O is that IMHO it is THE FINEST game I EVER played PERIOD. It is a TRUE RPG through to it's very core. It is no sandbox RPG by any stretch of the imagination and I am very glad Bioware disigned it so.... IMHO the game design is PERFECT.... I know I will enjoy D2-ED very much also. When I play games I take each as they come on their own merits and try not to make comparrisons with other games because I consider each an original work of art. Some I like better than others. Sooooo having had a wonderful experience playing Divine Divinity those years ago I have a great faith and anticipation that Larian Studios will not disappoint me!!!

Quite the thread indeed. Funny story, I hated Dragon Age: Origins. I bought it, gave it my best shot, and 15 hours later determined that I did not enjoy playing it and promptly sold it and never looked back.

I actually enjoyed the DEMO for this game far more than my time with Dragon Age. So, Divinity II for me is better than DA:O. But, this is opinion right and we're all different.

Also, I disagree with budget and team size having anything to do with quality. Look at what two developers did with Mount & Blade. And on the other side of the coin you have a huge gaming company with a massive budget royally mess up a game (I can name several but why bother). It is irrelevant, specially when considering Ego Draconis is priced the same as other new titles.

Personally I would love to see more games like Divinity II on consoles. Hopefully this game will get lots of support and we'll see some performance patches in the near future. BTW - R.I.P. Ascaron / Sacred 2!

Dragon Age is a AAA masterpiece. Divinity II isn't quite on the same level, but they did a fantastic job with the resources they had available.

Well said...

Wow what a shallow unnuanced one-sided view Oo;

Dragon age is better game but Larian still did a great job

So, only games marked as "AAA" can be praised and set to a pedestal? Lol, so silly and lame USA logic: "Oh, wait, lemme check the jewelbox! What? F*ck, no AAA mark? You gotta be kiddin' me, it's a trash, low level product!! GTFO!!11"

Darwinia has no AAA mark.
World of Goo has no AAA mark.
Aquaria ha no AAA mark.

But the games is well-known and awesome, they got the highest scores in reviews.

I hope I didn't ruin your little perfect imagination of gameworld.

You kill me, and there is that "across the pond" reference again. U.S., Russsia, Belgium, France, Australia...who gives a sh1t? Really!

He stated an opinion, not that the frickin box is marked as such! My copy isn't. If some publisher has put it on the box, it is simply an advertisement, quoted from a reviewer...oh my god, another opinion. I never played the games you mentioned, but they might be very good, as you say...oh my god, yet another opinion!

You stir crap up here more than anyone with mitigated facts, such as the size of the Dev team arguments, with nothing to back them up. Larian's home page states that there are ~41 people on the core team. Probably have subbed for more of the work, but Bioware has roughly 300 at their Canadian studio alone.

People are saying what a great job Larian did with their relatively small (compared to Bioware) team. You act as they are comparing apples to apples, when it's more like apples to grapes. I haven't played D2 yet except for a tiny bit of the demo, and from what I can tell, the games are nothing alike, except for a dark, fantasy setting.

I think Dragon Age is a AAA masterpiece as well. I hope Divinity 2 turns out to be one when I get a chance to play it too. No matter the size of the dev team (although that would make the effort much more impressive), the style of the game play, or which side of the frickin ocean I live on. Lenin and Stalin died decades ago, get over it man!

Are you a xenophobe? Sure seems like it, bucko.

Anyways, I've praised Divinity II, so don't just skip over other posts to try to prove a somewhat immature and uneducated point.

Divinity II is not AAA, whether you like it or not. It's just not. Dragon Age is. I could point to the Metacritic average here, but let's just use common sense for one freaking moment.

That doesn't mean you can't prefer one over the other, but that still doesn't make the said preference a AAA game, unless you're absolutely blind to every fault.

Your logic is silly, period. Don't bring in smaller indie games of such kind to try to prove a point. Games with such a large scale and scaled down teams/budgets like Risen, Divinity II, Sacred 2, Two Worlds, etc, are not AAA games. Sure, there may be an exception to the rule (ie: The Witcher), which is debatable, but let's not kid ourselves.

Anyways, I prefer Divinity II (and Divine Divinity for that matter) over anything Bethesda has created, so don't worry there, champ, the motherland reigns supreme!

Following the 'lame USA logic', Dragon Age would suck since it's a game from Canada...

Personally, I would give Divinity II around an 8.5 so far...and that is being generous because I can overlook the technical faults. The core of the game I am in love with, and that is all that matters to me. Reveiwers in the gaming media, however, are not quite so forgiving.

Libertarian is right, though. It does not have the polish or production value of an AAA game like Dragon Age and that is unfortunately why it is not being rated as such. Whether you like one over the other on a personal level is a different matter of course, and is all simply a matter of taste.

While I strongly feel Dragon Age is the better game, it is not taking away any of the enjoyment I am getting from Divinity II and is certainly not worth arguing over. Because I can enjoy both for what they are and leave it at that.

In the end, Divinity II and Dragon Age are both wonderful role playing games, and one should not have to be judged as being better than the other when both are there to be enjoyed for what each brings to the table. Which one is better is in the eye of the beholder anyway, so why even argue about it in the first place?

I have massive doubts about DA:O being an AAA game. Seems like a B to me.

Divinity II is a B game. DA: O is a AAA game. Check Metacritic.

Like i care what Metacritic says.

Having played both I have to say that I am enjoying Divinity II more than I enjoyed Dragon Age. Sure DA is more polished but Divinity II was just more interesting.

Wait, so it's a B game because your opinion carries more weight than those of the critics who gave it such a high average? Oh boy.

I`m just saying how i see it. Don`t talk emo stuff.

I spent around 30 hours with Dragon Age and while DA is more polished than D2, I prefer D2's gameplay so far. The main reason is I prefer controlling just one character instead of having to pause every few seconds and micromanage orders for four. They are both great games though.

Talk "emo"? If making sense is "emo", then guilty as charged.

then go and die
Like someone in this world care for what you think
***YOU ARE UNIMPORTANT***

Gamespot,IGN... they are important
Thousands of gamers read their rewievs but I doubt that even 20 people read what you thik
and they all think that DA:O is better game
But in the end,It isn"t important becaose everybody play what they prefer

Maybe Call of Duty modern warfare 2 is better game than Divinity 2 or DA:O but I don"t care becaose I play what I prefer

Goodbye

Right back at you. Your opinion is unimportant, go die emo fan boy

It isn"t my opinion,It is opinion of higher force

What kind of statement is that?
Have you no opinion of your own? :o

I have
My opinion is that Dragon age origins is better

See how things go back right at you.

So before posting something like that again, know that everyone has their own opinion of things, i don`t care what metacritic says, to me the game will always stay at B level. I wasnt intending any flame when i said that, i wust just expressing what i think. Shouldnt you be ashamed of yourself raven?

Nope
I have my opinion like everybody else but its personal and it isn"t big thing

Why did you bring up personal references in the thread where we are talking about a games? Are you a troll? Should I report to mods about a cancer on my Larian forums?


Lol, you have failed even on silly and retarded "casual USA consumer" logic ;P It does not matter who made the game while it's "good rated" and has tons of AAA-stickers on the box :P
Like the situation with CoD6:Mw2 - tons of wonderful 90/100 points from magazines and... epic 5.9/10 user scores XDDD


^^-> the wonderful example what I meant! See? :P
>_>
<_<

No, that sir, is silly and retarded logic. You named Darwinia, World of Goo, and Aquaria. All 3 of these are more arcade-style releases, hence Darwinia going to XBLA and World of Goo on Wiiware. These title require FAR less resources (both time, money and team size) than a game like Divinity II. That's an irrefutable fact.

He is right
If BioWare team works on World of Goo they would make World of Goo series of 27 parts for one month.

Thanks you, you just proved my point, Please re-read my previous post :P
Oh, and please, do not answer 'till you understand. I thought I was pretty obvious but well.. sorry, can't make it more simple to understand.

No, you argued my fantastic logic. And that's why smaller indie titles can be AAA (ie: the ones you listed) and the majority of indie RPG's of this size aren't AAA titles (Divinity II, Risen, Gothic 3, Two Worlds, Venetica, etc). It's hard for such a small developer with less resources to make a game as large as these and make sure it's of AAA quality.

It is not my fault you fail to understand my great knowledge of truth. I do not hold such limitations against you, though. It's not your fault. I'm just trying to enlighten such mislead logic. You, sir, have been enlightened.

Both games have a similar endings. Both leave you hanging around with unfinished business.

Hey man, you brought up USA bashing and based on your location under your avatar, I figured it was fair game. Needless to say, you didn't or couldn't refute my arguments, so you had to b1tch about the only thing you could find.

Hey now, he can throw out "witty" insults, but don't you dare say something back!



There sure is a cancer on this forum and it's called hypocrisy.

why even try to compare the two? one is just your char and other is party based and to me i hate party based games.... now if your comparing polish,graphics,playability etc then i can see trying but it's not an apple to apple imho.

i rather enjoy this game and think they did a "good" job, is it perfect??? nope but what is....

Oh, and now we are changing the positions? Great
Please, continue support my point :o You're so funny, especially when you have no idea what are you talking about :P


Because most ppl retarded. They need to.

You, my friend (oh, buddy, you know you are...), do not read nor comprehend anything correctly.

I've always agreed that smaller indie titles can be AAA. Trials, World of Goo and the like. That was never my argument. I was talking about smaller indie devs creating much larger experiences that require more resources across the board, not an inexpensive downloadable title.

You presented poor examples, simple as that.

As I stated, Divinity II is not a AAA product. I love it, but it's not AAA. Then again, I see everything through clean lenses. I do not let anything cloud my vision and get in the way of the truth. Metacritic, the leading site that averages every review score, even proves this point, and that alone is worth more than your singular opinion, and that, my dear friend, is 100% fact. Irrefutable.

Who sais his opinion is the only one?

You base your AAA status on what others think due to some site giving you a number.
For me a Game is only AAA when i like it enough to be just that.

I do not listen to reviewers who get extra money to give big devs that extra few points to hype a game to the mainstream gamers.
(remember a reviewer being firered not to long ago for giving a so called AAA game a 6/10 while the dev. financed that months issue)

They can put AAA on the box but not in my heart.

Greettz.
Solo

You should be able to be subjective despite your love for a game. I love Divinity II more than many AAA titles, but I also see it has many more issues, which brings it down from AAA status. You can like something more, but when it comes to the quality of the development, you should be able to be subjective, which is why a Metacritic average is worth more. Being subjective (ie: honest) is an art these days.

This is funny
We arguing about Dicinity 2 vs Dragon age on Divinity 2 forum
Of course that Divinity 2 is going to win
now lets go on DA:O forum to see what they think

Good idea, go to DA:O forum and never come back ;D

Good, can you find me one? :P


But the first thing you see with your clean lenses is the rank of the game :P
Oookaaay.


Try to count opinions here (whole thread) and you will be surprised.

I am suprised
It seems that even on Divinity 2 forum dragon age origins can win

I don't see how you can compare DAO to D2 - they are completely different style of games. DAO is party based epic story driven while D2 is a soloist action rpg. If anything - compare D2 to Risen/Gothic 3.

I look forward to playing Dragon Age after having finished Divinity II and Mass Effect 2, but meanwhile, I can try to express what I love about Divinity II that sets it apart from other games.
What this game has, to me, is a kind of "old school LucasArts" feeling if that makes sense. A certain light touch that makes it feel delightfully quirky and independent.
I happen to have graduated two years ago from the same university in the same master's degree as the writer for this game did. I saw an article about him in the alumni magazine. In it, he talks about how his literary studies influenced his writing in this game. There's a wealth of fun little references to everything from the Bible to James Joyce to Monty Python. It's the kind of "not too serious" approach applied to a really great story that you hardly find anywhere else these days except in Pixar animation films. It reminds me of great games like Monkey Island and Space Quest which also had this fantastic sense of pure, unadulterated escapist fun! That, to me, is the greatest surprise about Divinity II and I don't think Dragon Age has that particular quality (even though it may be a better game, overall).

Why compare it with Dragon Age at all ?

Graphic

DAO 8.5/10
D2:ED 6.5/10

Graphic in d2 sux i dont say is bad but is not good too expecially animations


Story
DAO 8
D2 0 (8 if forgott aboute retardet ening)

story in d2 is stupid and totally 0 logic in it : why to the hell powerfull ancient dragon whos name is so magical that can make new words dont know that this all is trick and send us to save that stupid biatch from hell? Also this damned can kill us like 5 times true game but he dont do that ok if he know the biatch from hell plan but at and u find out ge dont know it so why he dont kill us when he can ? every oen with iq at last 70 kill this slayer asap but no damned will not becouse why ?? also the necromancer from our tower why a hell he open that barier ??
the whole island quest is stupid i dont see any excuse to kill 4 ppl expecially if u try to be hero by whole game , and wtf our character just give a fu aboute this this all ppl give a fu and are happy .. whatever

Playability

DAO 9++
D2 8+

D2 is some chalange till u dont got god mode when hit lvl 30 and every one start to hit u for 0
DAO is fun whole game every fight is chelenging till end


REplayablity

DAO 10
D2 0

u want play dao again and again cuz u can make alot diferent toons and u can get another party and u got motivation to play cuz of good endings

d2 after u end game once no real point in return to it becosue all quest are same every mobs are in same place even rilldes are same not even 2 variations and dont forgott aboute retadet ending of course also there is no point in train most of skills at all or even try another build becouse by half of game your "non standart" build will simply sux but on the end if u manage to get wings u willbe unkilable not mather what skjills u use



so overall game is not bad but if larians make freeking patch and addon that introduce better lvled mobs and continue main quest rebalance skills/spells and expecially items in game it can be rly good gam like g2+ addon cuz not its feel rly unfinished maybe not like g3 was but at last there was some kind of storyline

on the end i say that whole charm iea is stupid u get like 20 +1 charms few +5 from bosses and nothing beetween at all i know is cuz of random generator but this is stupid same with recipes alot of +1 few +10 an u cannot do them becouse only 2 malachits u can get in game u give u bilnd dumbass .. no comment

^Please use proper vocabulary & punctuation. Your post is very hard to read.

no becouse i dont speak english

Please do not talk about the end of the game (in a topic not titled so that people would know it was about the end of the game) without using spoiler tags. Please edit your post to add spoiler tags, or remove specifics about the end of the game.


Everybody - be carefull with spoilers - Please!

no cuz ending sux and ppls hould know to dont waste 50$ or 50 hours just fo ind out that ur fu in ass on the end

It is possible for a moderately reasonable or mature person to criticize the ending without going into details about the plot.

no cuz ending is retardet and i pay alot of cash to buy this game only to find out that im fu in ass at end so i keep being polite to ppl who dont fu me in ass like larian did with d2
but in this case i left my mature and resonable discussin for my dog at last he dont make me choose to kill 4 innocent ppl without any real reazon , maybe this supouse to be some kind of moral choose or whatever but was just stupid imho
SO NO its not posible i do this disusion in larian styl dont u think so ??? kill this smile kill that smile kill miss cpt smile and u dont even got any real choice by whole game
so NO raze imho i dont choice u to be in my battle tower so be so nice and die ...
larian style... imposible is nothing .. we fu u on the end .. bring some beer adolf