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D:OS Reviews coming in :)

Posted By: Garod

D:OS Reviews coming in :) - 04/07/14 05:26 AM

Well seems the first Reviews are coming in and they are positive.
Can tell that by D:OS Also being Top Seller on Steam again for a while.

Here Kotaku Review:
http://kotaku.com/im-glad-theyre-still-making-games-like-divinity-origin-1600013660

French Site: 80/100
http://www.millenium.org/divinity-origin...kstarter-111444
Posted By: lolwut77

Re: D:OS Reviews coming in :) - 04/07/14 05:30 AM

If this game gets mediocre reviews, I'm going to be so pissed. It deserves nothing less than a 10/10, IMHO. smile

Edit: that French review was terrible.
Posted By: Garod

Re: D:OS Reviews coming in :) - 04/07/14 05:35 AM

I'm kind of glad also that Larian is one of the first of the "revivalist" fantasy CRPG's.
We have quite a few ones coming along going forward with Project Eternity, Torment Tides of Numenas (2015 Q3/4) etc.. so looking forward to those as well.
Posted By: Gyson

Re: D:OS Reviews coming in :) - 04/07/14 06:17 AM

I'm not excited about going back to 2D backgrounds that lack perspective, no matter how many lighting techniques they use to modernize the concept. So, Project Eternity and Torment Tides of Numenas are on my pass list. I'm glad Larian decided to make the backgrounds in Divinity : OS 3D instead. Same goes for Wasteland 2 (although Divinity beats it easily graphically).

I really want Larian to be able to report over a million copies sold.
Posted By: Garod

Re: D:OS Reviews coming in :) - 04/07/14 06:23 AM

We are all rooting for Larian not just because that will mean they will support the game more going forward but also because they are a great bunch of guys who deserve a hit seller.
I just hope that they report the 1m copies sold before the price drops too dramatically smile
1m sold at 5$ vs 1m copies sold at 19-40$ is such a big difference..
Posted By: Horrorscope

Re: D:OS Reviews coming in :) - 04/07/14 06:24 AM

Watching Angry Joe Livestream, that is why if you play like he is and you think the game is hard, you just need to play the game a LOT MORE. He's playing at about 5% efficiency. That said, they had fun coop'ing, most likely going at it tomorrow evening.

Had 2000 watching, not sure how many he sold playing like that. smile
Posted By: Garod

Re: D:OS Reviews coming in :) - 04/07/14 06:53 AM

Ohhh didn't know he was live streaming it. I remember the kick we all got when he also started backing D:OS, saw the backers figures increase right away as well. Hope he's enjoying it too!

btw Metacritic out now as well: http://www.metacritic.com/game/pc/divinity-original-sin and it's looking good with a 9.2 at this point in time with 1 review in and lots of good user rating smile
Posted By: LordCrash

Re: D:OS Reviews coming in :) - 04/07/14 12:34 PM

Gamersglobal (German): http://www.gamersglobal.de/test/divinity-original-sin

Score: 9/10

I'm just surprised that they criticised the soundtrack. Come on, the music is great and so atmospheric. If you don't like the music you must be a very tasteless sucker...(kidding_)... hug

More German early impressions:

Gamestar: http://www.gamestar.de/spiele/divinity-original-sin/artikel/divinity_origial_sin,48271,3057510.html
PC Games: http://www.pcgames.de/Divinity-Original-Sin-PC-244409/Tests/Divinity-Original-Sin-im-Test-1127492/
Posted By: droidZ

Re: D:OS Reviews coming in :) - 04/07/14 12:49 PM

I'm rooting for Larian too! I hope they make a ton of money so that they can continue making great games for us. I bought the game last night and I'm enjoying it very much.
Posted By: CWagner

Re: D:OS Reviews coming in :) - 04/07/14 01:21 PM

The German mags all seem to hate the German translation. Maybe Larian should crowdsource it? I'd help proof reading it (no way anyone is going to make me actually play it in German though *shudder*).

edit: Also

Quote:
Auch wenn Divinity: Original Sin im strikten Sinne kein Open-World-Spiel ist, gibt es jede Menge Gelegenheiten?


rought translation

Quote:
Even though D:OS is not open world in the strict sense of the word


How is it not open world? I'd say it's even more open world than Skyrim as you can do what you want and the game doesn't bend over backwards to help you but the world stays as it is (aka no stupid scaling).
Posted By: Songbird

Re: D:OS Reviews coming in :) - 04/07/14 01:47 PM

It's sad when a game has to get good reviews to be successful, we all know this game is fun without validation from some stranger you've never met
Posted By: KnightPT

Re: D:OS Reviews coming in :) - 04/07/14 01:56 PM

Originally Posted By: Songbird
It's sad when a game has to get good reviews to be successful, we all know this game is fun without validation from some stranger you've never met


Well, we could be selfish and think "i am having fun so i don't care about what others think", but i believe most people here are fans and realy want the game to do well finantialy, and that (as you say) needs a lot of famous-strangers to validate that fun in reviews, so that publicity makes the game a sucess in sales.


I do believe that most PC gamming reviewers will rate the game in the 85ish range, probably a few in the 90s but those probably will be the more RPG-hardcore oriented.

Expecting a few reviews under 80 because some reviewers just can't be bothered to do a very in-depth exploration and are probably the wrong person to do an CRPG review, but that is unavoidable and expectable in all game-genres.


All in all, we will probably end up with metacritic 84-86 and user metacritic of 86-89. This are my predictions lol smile
Posted By: Songbird

Re: D:OS Reviews coming in :) - 04/07/14 02:17 PM

Originally Posted By: KnightPT
Originally Posted By: Songbird
It's sad when a game has to get good reviews to be successful, we all know this game is fun without validation from some stranger you've never met


Well, we could be selfish and think "i am having fun so i don't care about what others think", but i believe most people here are fans and realy want the game to do well finantialy, and that (as you say) needs a lot of famous-strangers to validate that fun in reviews, so that publicity makes the game a sucess in sales.


I do believe that most PC gamming reviewers will rate the game in the 85ish range, probably a few in the 90s but those probably will be the more RPG-hardcore oriented.

Expecting a few reviews under 80 because some reviewers just can't be bothered to do a very in-depth exploration and are probably the wrong person to do an CRPG review, but that is unavoidable and expectable in all game-genres.


All in all, we will probably end up with metacritic 84-86 and user metacritic of 86-89. This are my predictions lol smile


I want the game to do well, so why not contribute to positive user reviews than relying on "official" reviews to validate your enjoyment of this game? like you said, sometimes the wrong reviewer gets assigned to this game and that's leads to subpar reviews being churned out.

I certainly wouldn't a twitch gamer to review this game positively.

I personally don't expect one magic number to properly quantify the entire quality of a game
Posted By: mbrown3

Re: D:OS Reviews coming in :) - 04/07/14 02:42 PM

Originally Posted By: Garod
Well seems the first Reviews are coming in and they are positive.
Can tell that by D:OS Also being Top Seller on Steam again for a while.

Here Kotaku Review:
http://kotaku.com/im-glad-theyre-still-making-games-like-divinity-origin-1600013660

French Site: 80/100
http://www.millenium.org/divinity-origin...kstarter-111444


Bonus points to the Kotaku reviewer for calling out Scotty Lynch and the Gentleman Bastard series.
Posted By: LordCrash

Re: D:OS Reviews coming in :) - 04/07/14 02:47 PM

WE don't need positive/good reviews. We already know that the game is fun. But Larian need them for a bigger commercial success.
Posted By: Fireblade

Re: D:OS Reviews coming in :) - 04/07/14 02:49 PM

Not just Larian either, success of this game will encourage other developers to start making similar games again.
Posted By: KnightPT

Re: D:OS Reviews coming in :) - 04/07/14 03:17 PM

Originally Posted By: Fireblade
Not just Larian either, success of this game will encourage other developers to start making similar games again.


Agree. This is very important indeed. The market is realy dependant on good reviews (and good revenue) from games like D:OS that try to do things diferently from the mainstream. The more success this kind of games are, the more risks bigger companies are willing to take to make stuff outside the box.

At least, i hope so.
Posted By: Jito463

Re: D:OS Reviews coming in :) - 04/07/14 04:27 PM

Originally Posted By: Gyson
Torment Tides of Numenas


Originally Posted By: Garod
Torment Tides of Numenas


Psst, it's actually Numenera. wink
Posted By: KnightPT

Re: D:OS Reviews coming in :) - 04/07/14 04:29 PM

Originally Posted By: Jito463
Originally Posted By: Gyson
Torment Tides of Numenas


Originally Posted By: Garod
Torment Tides of Numenas


Psst, it's actually Numenera. wink


Dammit, i swear to god, i don't even ... i can't... i never... Numene... Nume... dammit!


smile
Posted By: Knallfix

Re: D:OS Reviews coming in :) - 04/07/14 06:50 PM

Originally Posted By: CWagner
The German mags all seem to hate the German translation. Maybe Larian should crowdsource it? I'd help proof reading it (no way anyone is going to make me actually play it in German though *shudder*).

...


German translation is fine and well writen.
Only needs complition smile
Posted By: LordCrash

Re: D:OS Reviews coming in :) - 04/07/14 09:59 PM

Impressions video from Gametrailers: http://www.gametrailers.com/videos/gbxi3y/editorial-report--divinity--original-sin
Posted By: LordCrash

Re: D:OS Reviews coming in :) - 06/07/14 09:21 PM

AngryJoe is playing D:OS again! smile

http://www.twitch.tv/angryjoeshow
Posted By: Fellgnome

Re: D:OS Reviews coming in :) - 06/07/14 09:32 PM

Originally Posted By: lolwut77
If this game gets mediocre reviews, I'm going to be so pissed. It deserves nothing less than a 10/10, IMHO. smile

Edit: that French review was terrible.


It's about an 8/10 if using the most common method of rating a game, although numbers never really do games justice. Deeply flawed games can still be amazing, technically near-perfect games can also be uninspired and dull.

I'd say when it comes to D:OS -

Main Pros:

Enjoyable tactical turn based combat
Solid non-combat gameplay
Well polished aesthetics
Good sense of humor
Functional/easy to set up co-op, at least in my experience

Main Cons:

Bad user interface
Poor/incomplete information for character building
Balance problems
Some bad/overdone gimmicks in both combat and dialogue
Posted By: LordCrash

Re: D:OS Reviews coming in :) - 07/07/14 01:20 PM

Gamespot review should be postive... smile

Posted By: IndySandbagTrick

Re: D:OS Reviews coming in :) - 07/07/14 02:48 PM

Prediction: 8.8 Metacritic Average.

You heard it here first guys laugh
Posted By: Knallfix

Re: D:OS Reviews coming in :) - 07/07/14 06:30 PM

Originally Posted By: LordCrash
AngryJoe is playing D:OS again! smile

http://www.twitch.tv/angryjoeshow


I made the 'mistake' yesterday and googled his coop partner.
Dem b...

And as there are still no reviews out from the big ones, the small ones deliver smile
Pretty good, i think ...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MKaQwE0viqg
Posted By: LordCrash

Re: D:OS Reviews coming in :) - 07/07/14 08:05 PM

Originally Posted By: Knallfix
Originally Posted By: LordCrash
AngryJoe is playing D:OS again! smile

http://www.twitch.tv/angryjoeshow


I made the 'mistake' yesterday and googled his coop partner.
Dem b...

And as there are still no reviews out from the big ones, the small ones deliver smile
Pretty good, i think ...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MKaQwE0viqg

Haha, never argue about taste. Megamanda is Joe's ex-girlfriend IIRC... wink


And well, for a "proper" review you should at least complete the game once imo (otherwise you can never properly evaluate whether the quality in the endgame is any good or whether the story is good at the end and everything else). The guy from the video you've linked only played about 30 hours and then made his "review" (he even admitted that himself). That's not professional. He probably just wanted some more clicks because he's among the first making a review. Every serious reviewer needs at leas 60 hours to complete the campaign. It's six days since release. Well , you can do the maths yourself... wink
Posted By: Brian Wright

Re: D:OS Reviews coming in :) - 07/07/14 08:22 PM

Originally Posted By: KnightPT
I do believe that most PC gamming reviewers will rate the game in the 85ish range, probably a few in the 90s but those probably will be the more RPG-hardcore oriented.

Expecting a few reviews under 80 because some reviewers just can't be bothered to do a very in-depth exploration and are probably the wrong person to do an CRPG review, but that is unavoidable and expectable in all game-genres.


All in all, we will probably end up with metacritic 84-86 and user metacritic of 86-89. This are my predictions lol smile


Probably not far off. I'd guess about 2 points lower once big sites chime in. Bigger spread with user reviews, especially a lot of really high and really low user reviews. Not atypical for a reasonably well executed, but niche game.
Posted By: Simulacrum

Re: D:OS Reviews coming in :) - 07/07/14 08:26 PM

Originally Posted By: LordCrash
And well, for a "proper" review you should at least complete the game once imo (otherwise you can never properly evaluate whether the quality in the endgame is any good or whether the story is good at the end and everything else). The guy from the video you've linked only played about 30 hours and then made his "review" (he even admitted that himself). That's not professional. He probably just wanted some more clicks because he's among the first making a review. Every serious reviewer needs at leas 60 hours to complete the campaign. It's six days since release. Well , you can do the maths yourself... wink


60 hours? I did it in like 30, with a lot of backtracking, confusion surrounding the various puzzles, and reloading next to vendors to get useful items out of them (probably spent over an hour just doing that honestly), while completing most of the quests.
Posted By: LordCrash

Re: D:OS Reviews coming in :) - 07/07/14 09:22 PM

Originally Posted By: Simulacrum
Originally Posted By: LordCrash
And well, for a "proper" review you should at least complete the game once imo (otherwise you can never properly evaluate whether the quality in the endgame is any good or whether the story is good at the end and everything else). The guy from the video you've linked only played about 30 hours and then made his "review" (he even admitted that himself). That's not professional. He probably just wanted some more clicks because he's among the first making a review. Every serious reviewer needs at leas 60 hours to complete the campaign. It's six days since release. Well , you can do the maths yourself... wink


60 hours? I did it in like 30, with a lot of backtracking, confusion surrounding the various puzzles, and reloading next to vendors to get useful items out of them (probably spent over an hour just doing that honestly), while completing most of the quests.


Most isn't all. If you explore everything in Cyseal and really read the dialogue instead of clicking everything away you need at least 15-20 hours in Cyseal. So you definitely rushed through and that's nothing you should do for a decent review.
Posted By: Tanist

Re: D:OS Reviews coming in :) - 07/07/14 09:30 PM

Originally Posted By: Simulacrum
Originally Posted By: LordCrash
And well, for a "proper" review you should at least complete the game once imo (otherwise you can never properly evaluate whether the quality in the endgame is any good or whether the story is good at the end and everything else). The guy from the video you've linked only played about 30 hours and then made his "review" (he even admitted that himself). That's not professional. He probably just wanted some more clicks because he's among the first making a review. Every serious reviewer needs at leas 60 hours to complete the campaign. It's six days since release. Well , you can do the maths yourself... wink


60 hours? I did it in like 30, with a lot of backtracking, confusion surrounding the various puzzles, and reloading next to vendors to get useful items out of them (probably spent over an hour just doing that honestly), while completing most of the quests.


Uh huh.
Posted By: Tanist

Re: D:OS Reviews coming in :) - 07/07/14 09:50 PM

Originally Posted By: Fellgnome
Originally Posted By: lolwut77
If this game gets mediocre reviews, I'm going to be so pissed. It deserves nothing less than a 10/10, IMHO. smile

Edit: that French review was terrible.


It's about an 8/10 if using the most common method of rating a game, although numbers never really do games justice. Deeply flawed games can still be amazing, technically near-perfect games can also be uninspired and dull.

I'd say when it comes to D:OS -

Main Pros:

Enjoyable tactical turn based combat
Solid non-combat gameplay
Well polished aesthetics
Good sense of humor
Functional/easy to set up co-op, at least in my experience

Main Cons:

Bad user interface
Poor/incomplete information for character building
Balance problems
Some bad/overdone gimmicks in both combat and dialogue



An 8/10 by today's standards? Really?

Metacritic

Dragon Age 2 = 82/100-Critic 4.3/10-User
Mass Effect 3 = 89/100-Critic 5.1/10-User
Diablo 3 = 87/100-Critic 3.9/10-User
South Park: Stick of Truth 85/100-Critic 8.6/10-User
Divinity: Original sin ??/100-Critic 9.3/10=User


So... you are saying an 8/10 by today's standards? Really? If we go by today's standards, anything less than a 90 is a flipping lie. While south parks mechanics did pretty well, and the game provided an entertaining experience for those that liked the show (I don't), its depth of system was shallow/simplistic and the game was really short on top of it. Divinity is above it in score easily.

Now for the others... umm... seriously, those games are why they made this game. It is because the market was saturated with complete garbage to which the user scores show. Seriously, 8/10? It is a minimum of a 9/10 IF we are going by today's standards.

8/10? Fucking dishonest all the way around.
Posted By: Simulacrum

Re: D:OS Reviews coming in :) - 07/07/14 09:54 PM

Originally Posted By: LordCrash
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Most isn't all. If you explore everything in Cyseal and really read the dialogue instead of clicking everything away you need at least 15-20 hours in Cyseal. So you definitely rushed through and that's nothing you should do for a decent review.

If you meant for "proper" reviews to only include players who have literally completed everything you could possibly do in the entire game you should've specified that. Which incidentally is a comically absurd requirement to put on making a review "proper". That's like saying that a review of Baldur's Gate would be "improper" if the guy making it didn't import a character with pantaloons so that he could make the magical golem armor or whatever it was called. You don't need to do everything to get a good impression of the essence of a game.

I even went out of my way to do things like go back to NPCs to see if they cared about stuff I had done, like killing that old sourcerer warlord-guy (whatever his name was), but nobody seemed to care, so I stopped doing it after leaving Cyseal.

I completed all the quests except kitty love, headless nick, legend of the weresheep, the troll king's treasure cave-thing, and some irrelevant things in hunter's edge and sacred stone. Still made it to lvl 21 and was well on my way to lvl 22, so I can't have missed much, and I didn't even wipe out sacred stone or hunter's edge since it didn't seem to matter what happened in there, and the places were really immersion breaking. I killed like half the population of hunter's edge, including the orc leader chick, before I got bored and left since nobody seemed to care that I was wiping them all out.

Originally Posted By: Tanist
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Now for the others... umm... seriously, those games are why they made this game. It is because the market was saturated with complete garbage to which the user scores show. Seriously, 8/10? It is a minimum of a 9/10 IF we are going by today's standards.

8/10? Fucking dishonest all the way around.

By today's standards, sure, since there's nothing else out there. But by the standards of the games it's being compared to it really sucks. Well, the combat in D:OS is a lot better than the old IE games, but the writing and story and quests and the companions (lol) and all that stuff is utterly horrible by comparison.

Personally, I think 7/10 is generous, mostly gained because of the enjoyable combat. Writing/story/quests is like a 4/10.
Posted By: LordCrash

Re: D:OS Reviews coming in :) - 07/07/14 10:02 PM

Originally Posted By: Tanist

Now for the others... umm... seriously, those games are why they made this game. It is because the market was saturated with complete garbage to which the user scores show. Seriously, 8/10? It is a minimum of a 9/10 IF we are going by today's standards.

8/10? Fucking dishonest all the way around.

Ahem, just for your information. You can love both Mass Effect and D:OS. Calling some games "garbage" just because you seem to not like their design is kind of insulting...

That being said, most of the user reviews for ME3 e.g. on metacritic are nothing else than laughable and not even really related to the game itself.

8/10 is a good score and well deserved. 7/10 would be poor and 9/10 great but a bit unlikely since D:OS is still kind of a niche game and so naturally doesn't fit ot everyone's taste.


@Simulacrum
You think way too much in categories, mate. Story is just not the most importang thing in D:OS. It's the first and foremost purpose of a game to be fun and not to fit in a certain category (like RPG or CRPG or whatever)... wink
Posted By: Simulacrum

Re: D:OS Reviews coming in :) - 07/07/14 10:08 PM

Originally Posted By: LordCrash
@Simulacrum
You think way too much in categories, mate. Story is just not the most importang thing in D:OS. It's the first and foremost purpose of a game to be fun and not to fit in a certain category (like RPG or CRPG or whatever)... wink

You're the one who dismissed people's opinions as not "proper" if they didn't adhere to your categorization of what a "proper" review was...
Posted By: Tanist

Re: D:OS Reviews coming in :) - 07/07/14 10:16 PM

Originally Posted By: LordCrash
Originally Posted By: Tanist

Now for the others... umm... seriously, those games are why they made this game. It is because the market was saturated with complete garbage to which the user scores show. Seriously, 8/10? It is a minimum of a 9/10 IF we are going by today's standards.

8/10? Fucking dishonest all the way around.

Ahem, just for your information. You can love both Mass Effect and D:OS. Calling some games "garbage" just because you seem to not like their design is kind of insulting...



Liking it is irrelevant. This is not entirely a subjective evaluation here. I still like reading the occasional Xanth novel, I enjoy it, but the writing is terrible, the stories are second rate. I certainly wouldn't refer to it as more than anything other than cheap poorly written fiction. I enjoy it none the less.

Mass Effect 3 is an action junk game that is nothing more than a means to entertain peoples virtual love interests. The writing is cheap Hollywood junk, the mechanics of the game are a cheap arcade thriller and the development and decision system is like a road that splits and turns back in on itself. The original may have been a good start, but they went down hill after. Nothing wrong with you liking it, but liking it doesn't make it quality.







Originally Posted By: LordCrash

That being said, most of the user reviews for ME3 e.g. on metacritic are nothing else than laughable and not even really related to the game itself.


Yeah, that is it. That is why most actual good games tend to have good user scores, but crap critic scores while the crap games have high critic scores and lousy user scores. Let us not fool each other. We both know darn well that the critics don't pan big AAA companies because they get punished when they do. /boggle


Originally Posted By: LordCrash

8/10 is a good score and well deserved. 7/10 would be poor and 9/10 great but a bit unlikely since D:OS is still kind of a niche game and so naturally doesn't fit ot everyone's taste.


By today's standards, no. If we go by old standards, when they still used to make cRPGs, 8/10 would have been a fair assessment, maybe a 8.5/10. But we aren't going by standards of the past as to do so would be a dishonest evaluation that would let people think that the above games I listed were worth a shit to which they aren't. they are junk, products of big publishers and Hollywood studio gimmicks. They are the Boy Band generation of gaming. So, you have to judge it by the present standards, not the past as we are in the present.

Now if tons of good RPGs start coming out and become the norm, then... well... the standards will change accordingly. Until then, this is a 9.0/10 arguably a 9.5/10 compared to the complete and utter shit that exists today.
Posted By: LordCrash

Re: D:OS Reviews coming in :) - 07/07/14 10:25 PM

Originally Posted By: Simulacrum
Originally Posted By: LordCrash
@Simulacrum
You think way too much in categories, mate. Story is just not the most importang thing in D:OS. It's the first and foremost purpose of a game to be fun and not to fit in a certain category (like RPG or CRPG or whatever)... wink

You're the one who dismissed people's opinions as not "proper" if they didn't adhere to your categorization of what a "proper" review was...


Wait, there is a big difference in criticising the technical execution of a review (how you make it and what should be the requirements for a "professional" review) and criticising one's opinion. I never criticised the reviewer for his opinion in any way here. I didn't even talk about his opinion.
Posted By: LordCrash

Re: D:OS Reviews coming in :) - 07/07/14 10:27 PM

Originally Posted By: Tanist

Mass Effect 3 is an action junk game that is nothing more than a means to entertain peoples virtual love interests. The writing is cheap Hollywood junk, the mechanics of the game are a cheap arcade thriller and the development and decision system is like a road that splits and turns back in on itself. The original may have been a good start, but they went down hill after. Nothing wrong with you liking it, but liking it doesn't make it quality.

And you not liking doesn't make it less quality. I think the writing is decent, the mechanics fun, the decisions engaging. Now what? Opinions, opnions...

Don't mistake opinions for facts.

But yes, Mass Effect is indeed an "action" game. Nobody denied that. There is nothing wrong with making an action game. But haters gonna hate anyway.
Posted By: Achilleslastand

Re: D:OS Reviews coming in :) - 07/07/14 10:46 PM

Here is a set of reviews for Larian Studios Divinity Original Sin.

Gambit Magazine, 5/5


In conclusion, Divinity Original Sin is an amazing game that manages to merge the brilliant PC RPG痴 of old and infuse it with many modern-day elements. It痴 not a perfect game, but it sure has a lot less bugs and glitches that plagued Skyrim and critics showered that game with needless praise. I can稚 recommend Divinity Original Sin enough and I just hope that other publications also take note of what I hope doesn稚 end up as a hidden gem for the PC

APG, 8/10


Not everything is great, though. While the graphics aren't bad, the models used for characters within the game are all very similar. I was disappointed by how difficult it can be to find specific npcs for quests and often frustrated by trying to figure out where I could find merchants that sell specific spells or skills. Certain items are only obtainable through specific spells or skills which can make the player frustrated that they didn't begin with this class or another.

Softpedia, 9.5/10


Divinity: Original Sin is not perfect by any means, but it attempts to reach perfection nonetheless and offers one of the most complex role-playing game experiences currently available. Developer Larian still has a lot of work ahead, primarily in the form of patches that iron out its various kinks, mainly of technical nature, but it痴 definitely a very polished experience as it stands.

AGR, 9.3/10


Overall, Divinity: Original Sin is a massive RPG in scope which takes on our usual tendencies for RPG's and smashes them high and wide. The combat is a massive breath of fresh air, the story is enjoyable and expansive, the music is fantastic while the length of play is large. If you enjoy RPG's of any kind, you'll love Divinity: Original Sin.

Subjective Gaming


Now, I致e had quite a lot to say about Original Sin, both good and bad, but I don稚 want you to come away from this thinking that I didn稚 enjoy my romp through the world of Rivellon. Overall I actually think that this is a very solid game and most of the problems I mentioned only show up enough to remind you that they池e there but don稚 stick around. The intricate combat is a blast to use and the world is vibrant and full of life, both hostile and friendly. It痴 available on the Steam store for $40 and you値l certainly get your money痴 worth in terms of content. The game even features an easy difficulty if you池e not sure you池e capable of handling the challenge, as well as a hard difficulty for those who aren稚 challenged enough
Posted By: LordCrash

Re: D:OS Reviews coming in :) - 07/07/14 10:55 PM

Originally Posted By: Achilleslastand
Here is a set of reviews for Larian Studios Divinity Original Sin.

Some hotlinks would be nice. wink
Posted By: Achilleslastand

Re: D:OS Reviews coming in :) - 07/07/14 11:06 PM

Originally Posted By: LordCrash
Originally Posted By: Achilleslastand
Here is a set of reviews for Larian Studios Divinity Original Sin.

Some hotlinks would be nice. wink


I got these from RPG watch and as they are a compiled list I don't have the link to each one separately.
http://www.rpgwatch.com/?rwsiteid=1#27701
Posted By: LordCrash

Re: D:OS Reviews coming in :) - 07/07/14 11:09 PM

New Spanish review (also listed on metacritic): http://www.3djuegos.com/juegos/analisis/13898/0/divinity-original-sin/



party
Posted By: Horrorscope

Re: D:OS Reviews coming in :) - 07/07/14 11:28 PM

Angry Joe is back at it, live now. Monday 4:30 PST

FWIW: Just said he really likes it everyone should by it. (That said he's so early on...)

He probably won't have a review because he leaves on the 10th.

Lets see if he's any better than night one. eek
Posted By: LordCrash

Re: D:OS Reviews coming in :) - 07/07/14 11:29 PM

Originally Posted By: Horrorscope
Angry Joe is back at it, live now. Monday 4:30 PST


Yepp, here's the link: http://www.twitch.tv/angryjoeshow

smile
Posted By: Hiver

Re: D:OS Reviews coming in :) - 07/07/14 11:49 PM

Originally Posted By: Tanist

Mass Effect 3 is an action junk game that is nothing more than a means to entertain peoples virtual love interests. The writing is cheap Hollywood junk, the mechanics of the game are a cheap arcade thriller and the development and decision system is like a road that splits and turns back in on itself. The original may have been a good start, but they went down hill after. Nothing wrong with you liking it, but liking it doesn't make it quality.

Now, now... no need to praise such examples of shame of humanity with such sugary language and compliments.

Originally Posted By: LordCrash

And you not liking doesn't make it less quality.

I think the writing is decent, the mechanics fun, the decisions engaging. Now what? Opinions, opnions... Don't mistake opinions for facts.


Heh. heh. heh...

If only you had a brain to understand what you just said... but, of course, if you had one you wouldnt be saying hilarious stuff like that.
Posted By: LordCrash

Re: D:OS Reviews coming in :) - 07/07/14 11:59 PM

And...you were notified again. I even stopped counting...

Anyway, back to topic.
Posted By: Horrorscope

Re: D:OS Reviews coming in :) - 08/07/14 12:08 AM

Joe's on a 1000 hour play-through at current pace!
Posted By: Hiver

Re: D:OS Reviews coming in :) - 08/07/14 12:20 AM

YAAY! The Angry Joe!!!

Amazing! Wooooooo!

eh, eh?

:lol:


Originally Posted By: LordCrash
And...you were notified again. I even stopped counting...

Anyway, back to topic.

I wasnt notified of anything. :P
How long ago you stopped counting? In grade school?
:lol:

What was the topic? Can you even remember? ill bet five dollahs you dont :lol:

:kill:
Posted By: Flaggerbastard

Re: D:OS Reviews coming in :) - 08/07/14 12:54 AM

Originally Posted By: Jito463
Originally Posted By: Gyson
Torment Tides of Numenas


Originally Posted By: Garod
Torment Tides of Numenas


Psst, it's actually Numenera. wink

Every time I get updated information about Torment: Tides of Numenera....

Posted By: Jito463

Re: D:OS Reviews coming in :) - 08/07/14 09:48 AM

Hiver, do everyone a favor and delete your account. Thanks.

And on topic, yay for excellent reviews. We all knew it was deserved, but it's gratifying to see it actually reflected in the media.
Posted By: Hiver

Re: D:OS Reviews coming in :) - 08/07/14 10:02 AM


What, you are everyone? And how stupid do you have to be to think i actually would?
Oh noo, you didnt think that, right?
You just said that to... what... hurt my feelings? maybe you should tell me how you put me on ignore again.

:lol:

Im not sure that me laughing at you for being a simpleton will make you feel better, so you better stick to something else.
Posted By: Tanist

Re: D:OS Reviews coming in :) - 08/07/14 12:01 PM

Originally Posted By: LordCrash
Originally Posted By: Tanist

Mass Effect 3 is an action junk game that is nothing more than a means to entertain peoples virtual love interests. The writing is cheap Hollywood junk, the mechanics of the game are a cheap arcade thriller and the development and decision system is like a road that splits and turns back in on itself. The original may have been a good start, but they went down hill after. Nothing wrong with you liking it, but liking it doesn't make it quality.

And you not liking doesn't make it less quality. I think the writing is decent, the mechanics fun, the decisions engaging. Now what? Opinions, opnions...

Don't mistake opinions for facts.

But yes, Mass Effect is indeed an "action" game. Nobody denied that. There is nothing wrong with making an action game. But haters gonna hate anyway.



The writing was bland, over used and common to the B budget action Hollywood movie script. The mechanics were pointless. You run in, cover... shoot... cover... shoot... cover... shoot. Over and over and over. The mechanics were generic like every other console trash game out there. Character development was dumbed down, and meaningless. You could click randomly and still have no problems with the game. The decisions? Really? Did you ever reload decisions to see how sub decisions and large decisions played out? Yeah..., they all ended up with the same basic result.

The first game, even the second to an extent had different results for the decisions you made. Your story was affected by the decisions. Mass 3 was an on rails kiddie ride. Sure, if you like to watch cut scenes, it can be entertaining, but it isn't a game, it was a gimmick that is all so common to console game. Yes, that is right... Mass 3 was a console game, not a PC game. It was designed for the console crowd in every way shape and form.

The game was garbage and one of the key examples used to show the decline of gaming in general. You liked it, great!! A guilty pleasure, but don't try and fool yourself that there is quality in that title.
Posted By: Simulacrum

Re: D:OS Reviews coming in :) - 08/07/14 12:12 PM

Originally Posted By: Tanist
...

The game was garbage and one of the key examples used to show the decline of gaming in general. You liked it, great!! A guilty pleasure, but don't try and fool yourself that there is quality in that title.

Presumably you have a huge list of PC games that all of this doesn't apply to just as much, lending creedence to your claim that this is a console problem?

The only games I can remember having played in a long time that weren't ostentisbly "on rails" as much as the mass effect games were has been some of Jeff Vogel's various projects, and even then just the better ones.
Posted By: Tanist

Re: D:OS Reviews coming in :) - 08/07/14 12:39 PM

Originally Posted By: Simulacrum
Originally Posted By: Tanist
...

The game was garbage and one of the key examples used to show the decline of gaming in general. You liked it, great!! A guilty pleasure, but don't try and fool yourself that there is quality in that title.

Presumably you have a huge list of PC games that all of this doesn't apply to just as much, lending creedence to your claim that this is a console problem?

The only games I can remember having played in a long time that weren't ostentisbly "on rails" as much as the mass effect games were has been some of Jeff Vogel's various projects, and even then just the better ones.


D:OS does even better than Mass 3 in the sub choice area. There are many decisions you make in the game that result in a completely different outcome. Now, you can argue that the consequence to the overall story isn't changed, that I still have yet to determine. That said, D:OS was marketed as a spiritual successor to Ultima VII and it did a excellent job living up to that.

Mass effect 3 prided itself on being a story driven decision making game with all the consequences and benefits of such decisions. Heck, it even has a good/evil system that was supposed to layer an additional effect of play. The original game did a fair job of trying to hold to this. It actually attempted to be what it marketed itself as. Mass 3 was just a gimmick action game.

Now, if they would have marketed it as just an action game with some minor RPG components, I doubt I would have much of a problem. Even Dragon Age 2 if marketed as just an "action game" would have been fine. Thing is, they took games that had a specific RPG direction and simply turned them into action games with gimmick RPG features. It is much like they did with Fallout 3, destroying a PC RPG franchise by turning it into an action game.

The point is, on-rails is a very important objection to a game that was designed against that very premise. So another game that doesn't make that its main focus being on-rails isn't as detrimental as a game like Mass 3 which was centered completely around it as its sub genre.
Posted By: Tanist

Re: D:OS Reviews coming in :) - 08/07/14 12:47 PM

Originally Posted By: Fireblade
Not just Larian either, success of this game will encourage other developers to start making similar games again.


That would be nice, but be prepared for the AAA gimmick titles marketed and sold as such, but turning out to be nothing more than a gimmick.
Posted By: LordCrash

Re: D:OS Reviews coming in :) - 08/07/14 12:50 PM

And another review from gameblog.fr: http://www.gameblog.fr/tests/1992-divinity-original-sin-pc-mac#null

I dare to say that I'm not satisfied with this review. Not because of the score but because the reviewer criticises stuff that is imo just ridiculous...

I mean:

- tedious crafting?
- unbalanced music?
- lacking life?

Wow, we must have played two completely different games then. Hey, but on the other hand: what to expect from someone who gave XCOM EU a 7/10, 19% below the metacritic average and the only yellow review for the game (besides 56 green ones)??? To each their own I guess but it's kind of sad for Larian that this reviews show up on metacritic among the first (at least he gave D:OS 10% more than XCOM)... wink


Oh, and there is also a review from StrategyInformer: http://www.strategyinformer.com/pc/divinityoriginalsin/2378/review.html

While being quite honest and to the point, the final verdict just indicates another "genre review".

I fear we will see much more "genre reviews" putting D:OS in strict (C)RPG categories and punishing it for "minor" weaknesses that were never the focus of the devs for this game...
Posted By: Sykar

Re: D:OS Reviews coming in :) - 08/07/14 12:54 PM

Originally Posted By: Simulacrum


Personally, I think 7/10 is generous, mostly gained because of the enjoyable combat. Writing/story/quests is like a 4/10.


Right....
Posted By: LordCrash

Re: D:OS Reviews coming in :) - 08/07/14 01:17 PM

Originally Posted By: Sykar
Originally Posted By: Simulacrum


Personally, I think 7/10 is generous, mostly gained because of the enjoyable combat. Writing/story/quests is like a 4/10.


Right....


By that definition XCOM Enemy Within would be a straight 5/10 because:

9/10 for enjoyable combat
1/10 for story/writing/missions


Glady most professional reviews tend to avoid these category traps nowadays, although you still often see these biased opinions... wink
Posted By: Sykar

Re: D:OS Reviews coming in :) - 08/07/14 01:24 PM

Originally Posted By: LordCrash
Originally Posted By: Sykar
Originally Posted By: Simulacrum


Personally, I think 7/10 is generous, mostly gained because of the enjoyable combat. Writing/story/quests is like a 4/10.


Right....


By that definition XCOM Enemy Within would be a straight 5/10 because:

9/10 for enjoyable combat
1/10 for story/writing/missions


Glady most professional reviews tend to avoid these category traps nowadays, although you still often see these biased opinions... wink


As much as I loved games like the BG series the writing/story wasn't even better. BG2 was the typical chosen one story which was also strictly linear after act 2 and completely linear in ToB.
DA:O just as BG2 was a generic chosen one story with a minor twist in the middle and that was it. Heck the main villain was completely void of anything and could have been just as easily a giant lego brick, unlike Irenicus/Melissan for example who had some depth at least.
I could go on and bash any great game but I think I made my point.
Posted By: LordCrash

Re: D:OS Reviews coming in :) - 08/07/14 01:27 PM

Originally Posted By: Sykar

DA:O just as BG2 was a generic chosen one story with a minor twist in the middle and that was it. Heck the main villain was completely void of anything and could have been just as easily a giant lego brick, unlike Irenicus/Melissan for example who had some depth at least.
I could go on and bash any great game but I think I made my point.

But you completely missed my point... wink
Posted By: Areason

Re: D:OS Reviews coming in :) - 08/07/14 01:37 PM

Some people are either trolling or ignore logic depending on the product?

Almost every single game has an awful story - same goes for most movies - and for most books and tv-shows.

Compared to other games D:OS actually has a great and funny story that doesnt take itself to serious. I would give the story a 8-9/10 at least from where i am now. But you have to realize that this is my score in comparison to other games storys - from a story only - point of view the score would be way lower but this would also make most games a 0-1/10 ...

To be honest these days my expectations have become so low that i am actually already pleased if the story is not utterly dumb and doesnt contradicts itself within the first few minutes of a movie or a game ... (which is sad)

Anyhow what is much more important in games than the story - is how it is beeing told and from my point of view D:OS is actually doing it pretty great.

So my point of view:
I dont see how people can rate D:OS Story low without giving almost every other game and movie a 0/10 for story ...
Posted By: Songbird

Re: D:OS Reviews coming in :) - 08/07/14 02:00 PM

The walking dead game has amazing story telling, but you can't have a sandbox style of game when you are telling a rich story like that smirk
Posted By: henryv

Re: D:OS Reviews coming in :) - 08/07/14 02:07 PM

Originally Posted By: Flaggerbastard
Originally Posted By: Jito463
Originally Posted By: Gyson
Torment Tides of Numenas


Originally Posted By: Garod
Torment Tides of Numenas


Psst, it's actually Numenera. wink

Every time I get updated information about Torment: Tides of Numenera....



Is that the update song for numera? I like this one better. No bias at all smile

Posted By: Simulacrum

Re: D:OS Reviews coming in :) - 08/07/14 02:08 PM

Originally Posted By: Sykar
...

As much as I loved games like the BG series the writing/story wasn't even better. BG2 was the typical chosen one story which was also strictly linear after act 2 and completely linear in ToB.
DA:O just as BG2 was a generic chosen one story with a minor twist in the middle and that was it. Heck the main villain was completely void of anything and could have been just as easily a giant lego brick, unlike Irenicus/Melissan for example who had some depth at least.
I could go on and bash any great game but I think I made my point.

I don't think many people would call the BG story very inspired, but at least it was competently put together and didn't degrade the players with absurdly stupid player characters and situations, and the antagonists were at least memorable (though their excellent voice actors helped a lot with that, I must admit; the same dialogue performed poorly wouldn't have been very awesome, but I digress).

Take the opening of D:OS. First thing you come across is some guy who killed himself because he was insane, and the conversation options your characters get is either to condemn him as crazy, or to express how happy they would've been to do the same thing... okay... Then you meet a talking shell who has been unable to reach the sea for who knows how long, despite possessing the ability to throw a huge chest at you from the ocean floor, and sitting right next to the ocean loudly whining about it to anyone who might pass by. Then you are faced with the deep moral conondrum of whether or not to follow some guards to go see the guy you're there to see... or brutally murder both of them. I found all of these situations extremely childish and stupid. When I very briefly played the beta, before deciding that I'd rather wait for release after reaching the harbor, I assumed these were just there as placeholders to give testers a taste of the system present in the game (which they did well enough)... I was very surprised to see them still there, with the same dialogue, after release.

The rest of the game follows these basic formulas all the way through. All the situations are totally absurd, the characters extremely inane, and the dialogue cringeworthy enough that, honestly, I stopped reading most of it about halfway through the game if I thought I could get away with it.

The main storyline makes BG's story look like a masterpiece by comparison. At least the bhaalspawn didn't stumble face-first into obvious revelation after obvious revelation only to remain totally oblivious as to his or her true nature. The D:OS characters even suffer the indignity of first having it made crystal clear to them by multiple characters that they're some sort of dieties, only to respond to random NPCs they meet in the world, who can clearly see this, with utter confusion. 'What do you mean when you say there's something special about me?', 'Why do I recognize this chest?', 'Why does my brain operate on the level of a 8-months old child?', etc.

Then all the main-storyline's dialogue was all exactly the same. The story was basically told to completion after that video you see where it's explained how that stupid goddess opened the box and started fighting the void dragon (the only thing that still needs explaining is who you are, and that's heavily implied from the start as well with everyone calling you guardians). From then on, all every character in the homestead ever does is repeat the same lines over and over, just said differently. Imp historian repeats the story you already know to you. Time weaver provides the same contentless comments to everything you ask her ('that thing just is because it is because it is'. Yeah, thanks lady, that was real informative.) That shadow demon guy growls at you every time he sees you. The 4 elementals all tell you the exact same thing. Etc. God, and all the bad guy's motivations were so insulting. 'I'm not evil! I don't wanna kill anybody, I just want to destroy everything that exists'. What are you, 13? At least Sarevok and Irenicus had motivations that made sense and weren't just psuedo-nihilism given form (though Irenicus was pretty crazy, and had a high cringe-level worth of edgy as well, I gotta admit).

Even the ending was insulting to the primary antagonist. You spend forever chasing her, learning about her, and then in the final fight... you kill her just like that and nobody seems to care. Not even her sister is there to lament her death. I still remember Irenicus' last words "It ends like this?", but I don't think I remember anything the primary antagonist said in D:OS... even her name, come to think of it.

So I feel quite justifed in putting a number like "4/10" on the story/writing aspect of the game, mostly because the storyline was at least somewhat coherent.

The game's saving grace, at least in my eyes, is that the combat is really good (if a bit uninspired), even if it did break down by the end-game. If it was made in the infinity engine, I definitely would not have continued playing it.
Posted By: Garod

Re: D:OS Reviews coming in :) - 08/07/14 02:09 PM

some more reviews:
8.1 don't quite agree with this one on some things...
http://middleofnowheregaming.com/2014/07/07/divinity-original-sin-review/

9.5 (woot)
http://www.softpedia.com/reviews/games/pc/Divinity-Original-Sin-Review-449655.shtml

9.5 (woot)
http://nichegamer.net/reviews/divinity-original-sin-review-it-will-steal-your-soul-and-spare-time/

7.9 review (9.6 user score)...
http://www.explosion.com/62775/divinity-original-sin-review/
Posted By: Sykar

Re: D:OS Reviews coming in :) - 08/07/14 02:23 PM

Originally Posted By: Simulacrum
Originally Posted By: Sykar
...

As much as I loved games like the BG series the writing/story wasn't even better. BG2 was the typical chosen one story which was also strictly linear after act 2 and completely linear in ToB.
DA:O just as BG2 was a generic chosen one story with a minor twist in the middle and that was it. Heck the main villain was completely void of anything and could have been just as easily a giant lego brick, unlike Irenicus/Melissan for example who had some depth at least.
I could go on and bash any great game but I think I made my point.

I don't think many people would call the BG story very inspired, but at least it was competently put together and didn't degrade the players with absurdly stupid player characters and situations, and the antagonists were at least memorable (though their excellent voice actors helped a lot with that, I must admit; the same dialogue performed poorly wouldn't have been very awesome, but I digress).

Take the opening of D:OS. First thing you come across is some guy who killed himself because he was insane, and the conversation options your characters get is either to condemn him as crazy, or to express how happy they would've been to do the same thing... okay... Then you meet a talking shell who has been unable to reach the sea for who knows how long, despite possessing the ability to throw a huge chest at you from the ocean floor, and sitting right next to the ocean loudly whining about it to anyone who might pass by. Then you are faced with the deep moral conondrum of whether or not to follow some guards to go see the guy you're there to see... or brutally murder both of them. I found all of these situations extremely childish and stupid. When I very briefly played the beta, before deciding that I'd rather wait for release after reaching the harbor, I assumed these were just there as placeholders to give testers a taste of the system present in the game (which they did well enough)... I was very surprised to see them still there, with the same dialogue, after release.

The rest of the game follows these basic formulas all the way through. All the situations are totally absurd, the characters extremely inane, and the dialogue cringeworthy enough that, honestly, I stopped reading most of it about halfway through the game if I thought I could get away with it.

The main storyline makes BG's story look like a masterpiece by comparison. At least the bhaalspawn didn't stumble face-first into obvious revelation after obvious revelation only to remain totally oblivious as to his or her true nature. The D:OS characters even suffer the indignity of first having it made crystal clear to them by multiple characters that they're some sort of dieties, only to respond to random NPCs they meet in the world, who can clearly see this, with utter confusion. 'What do you mean when you say there's something special about me?', 'Why do I recognize this chest?', 'Why does my brain operate on the level of a 8-months old child?', etc.

Then all the main-storyline's dialogue was all exactly the same. The story was basically told to completion after that video you see where it's explained how that stupid goddess opened the box and started fighting the void dragon (the only thing that still needs explaining is who you are, and that's heavily implied from the start as well with everyone calling you guardians). From then on, all every character in the homestead ever does is repeat the same lines over and over, just said differently. Imp historian repeats the story you already know to you. Time weaver provides the same contentless comments to everything you ask her ('that thing just is because it is because it is'. Yeah, thanks lady, that was real informative.) That shadow demon guy growls at you every time he sees you. The 4 elementals all tell you the exact same thing. Etc. God, and all the bad guy's motivations were so insulting. 'I'm not evil! I don't wanna kill anybody, I just want to destroy everything that exists'. What are you, 13? At least Sarevok and Irenicus had motivations that made sense and weren't just psuedo-nihilism given form (though Irenicus was pretty crazy, and had a high cringe-level worth of edgy as well, I gotta admit).

Even the ending was insulting to the primary antagonist. You spend forever chasing her, learning about her, and then in the final fight... you kill her just like that and nobody seems to care. Not even her sister is there to lament her death. I still remember Irenicus' last words "It ends like this?", but I don't think I remember anything the primary antagonist said in D:OS... even her name, come to think of it.

So I feel quite justifed in putting a number like "4/10" on the story/writing aspect of the game, mostly because the storyline was at least somewhat coherent.

The game's saving grace, at least in my eyes, is that the combat is really good (if a bit uninspired), even if it did break down by the end-game. If it was made in the infinity engine, I definitely would not have continued playing it.


Um yeah, just because you feel "justified" doesn't make you "right"...
Posted By: Tanist

Re: D:OS Reviews coming in :) - 08/07/14 02:31 PM

Originally Posted By: Areason

So my point of view:
I dont see how people can rate D:OS Story low without giving almost every other game and movie a 0/10 for story ...



Exactly. That is what is so frustrating seeing some of these reviews. People want to put on their elitist hat and be extremely critical of D:OS, but then ignore the fact that we have had a decade or more of games that if were judged with such critical nature would score barely a few points.

People can't score something like Dragon Age 2 or Mass Effect 3 in the 90+ and then turn around and be so critical as to give D:OS an 80's score or lower. It removes all credibility, it reeks of bias and it makes them look like an idiot.

Seriously, go look at the scores from these reviewers on Metacritic. They give an 80 for D:OS after dealing out 100's to numerous garbage titles.
Posted By: Garod

Re: D:OS Reviews coming in :) - 08/07/14 02:33 PM

Sorry but comparing BG to D:OS on story etc is pointless.
It's like comparing George RR Martin to Terry Pratchet. Both write fantasy but have a wildly different approach to it. While BG is allot more "epic" and sometimes dark fantasy D:OS is meant to be light hearted. If you've played any of Larian's other games you would know that as well.
It's completely different styles for different audiences.. So if you were expecting an epic dark fantasy you'd be disappointed with it yes.. but again that wasn't the intent of this game from the start. So the issue isn't with the game, it's with your expectations.
Posted By: LordCrash

Re: D:OS Reviews coming in :) - 08/07/14 02:34 PM

YIKES, 9/10 from GameInformer, one of the major sites/magazines!!!!! smile smile smile

http://www.gameinformer.com/games/divini...divine-rpg.aspx
Posted By: Tanist

Re: D:OS Reviews coming in :) - 08/07/14 02:35 PM

Originally Posted By: Garod
Sorry but comparing BG to D:OS on story etc is pointless.
It's like comparing George RR Martin to Terry Pratchet. Both write fantasy but have a wildly different approach to it. While BG is allot more "epic" and sometimes dark fantasy D:OS is meant to be light hearted. If you've played any of Larian's other games you would know that as well.
It's completely different styles for different audiences.. So if you were expecting an epic dark fantasy you'd be disappointed with it yes.. but again that wasn't the intent of this game from the start. So the issue isn't with the game, it's with your expectations.


Certainly, anyone who is trying to evaluate D:OS at the level of a serious story and judging it accordingly is just looking for an excuse to pan the game.
Posted By: Sykar

Re: D:OS Reviews coming in :) - 08/07/14 03:05 PM

Originally Posted By: Garod
Sorry but comparing BG to D:OS on story etc is pointless.
It's like comparing George RR Martin to Terry Pratchet. Both write fantasy but have a wildly different approach to it. While BG is allot more "epic" and sometimes dark fantasy D:OS is meant to be light hearted. If you've played any of Larian's other games you would know that as well.
It's completely different styles for different audiences.. So if you were expecting an epic dark fantasy you'd be disappointed with it yes.. but again that wasn't the intent of this game from the start. So the issue isn't with the game, it's with your expectations.


This pretty much.
Posted By: rftl

Re: D:OS Reviews coming in :) - 09/07/14 06:14 AM

Looks like we got our first HACKJOB Review.

They gave the game a good which sounds not bad.
At least until you start to read the review.

Complaints that it's only two person party system or how rock paper scissors and boulder sneaking don't fit into the GRIM (wtf) background.

Also complaints about the graphics while none of the screenshots is from the release version (only old promotional material).

You really have to ask if they actually played the game beyond the tutorial dungeon.

Here links to the Google cache version. Those guys really don't deserve any clicks.
cheatcc.com review page 1 - Google cache

cheatcc.com review page 2 - Google cache

Posted By: SniperHF

Re: D:OS Reviews coming in :) - 09/07/14 06:46 AM

That review is pretty clearly fake/shoddy due to the screens. They have all the place holder images.
Posted By: Apocalypse

Re: D:OS Reviews coming in :) - 09/07/14 10:04 AM

Originally Posted By: Hiver
YAAY! The Angry Joe!!!

Amazing! Wooooooo!

eh, eh?

:lol:


Originally Posted By: LordCrash
And...you were notified again. I even stopped counting...

Anyway, back to topic.

I wasnt notified of anything. :P
How long ago you stopped counting? In grade school?
:lol:

What was the topic? Can you even remember? ill bet five dollahs you dont :lol:

:kill:



hug
Posted By: Kordac

Re: D:OS Reviews coming in :) - 09/07/14 03:47 PM

9/10 from Eurogamer

Certainly, I have no hesitation in recommending Original Sin to RPG fans old and new, provided that you're up for a challenge from very early on and don't expect to romp through, Diablo-style. While Skyrim is obviously more freeform and immersive, and the likes of Mass Effect are more cinematic, Divinity: Original Sin is hands down the best classic-style RPG in years. It's obviously not Ultima 8 in name (and that's probably for the best, because the Ultima 8 we got in reality was bloody awful). It is, however, in every way that counts, the best successor ever to those classic journeys to Britannia, and a triumph on its own terms as a modern RPG with no shortage of fresh ideas.
Posted By: LordCrash

Re: D:OS Reviews coming in :) - 09/07/14 05:17 PM

Originally Posted By: Kordac
9/10 from Eurogamer

Certainly, I have no hesitation in recommending Original Sin to RPG fans old and new, provided that you're up for a challenge from very early on and don't expect to romp through, Diablo-style. While Skyrim is obviously more freeform and immersive, and the likes of Mass Effect are more cinematic, Divinity: Original Sin is hands down the best classic-style RPG in years. It's obviously not Ultima 8 in name (and that's probably for the best, because the Ultima 8 we got in reality was bloody awful). It is, however, in every way that counts, the best successor ever to those classic journeys to Britannia, and a triumph on its own terms as a modern RPG with no shortage of fresh ideas.


Link to the whole review: http://www.eurogamer.net/articles/2014-07-09-divinity-original-sin-review

I'm so fuc.... happy for Larian! Nobody in the whole gaming industry deserved thissuccess and these fabulous reviews more than Swen and the gang. smile



On the other hand, the "review" from CheatCC mentioned above is just sad. It's a scam, a fake, and it's not even well done. I did my best already to call this "reviewer" out in the comments (LC there) and on twitter. Guys like this "reviewer" (aka faker) should be branded so that they can never work in gaming industry or gaming press anymore. Does anyone know how to contact metacritic to inform them about the fake review and to evaluate the issue? This horrible scam shouldn't appear as a "professional" review on metacritic...
Posted By: Hiver

Re: D:OS Reviews coming in :) - 09/07/14 05:37 PM

Metacritic is a scam itself, as well as the whole gaming "media" so... i dont see much of a point.

You wont be able to stop all that, there will be other such examples but clearly, the game is riding a different wave so it cannot be damaged by that crap.

Nice review by eurogamer there.
Posted By: LordCrash

Re: D:OS Reviews coming in :) - 09/07/14 06:09 PM

Originally Posted By: Hiver
Metacritic is a scam itself, as well as the whole gaming "media" so... i dont see much of a point.

Metacritic isn't scam, it's just a site that collects reviews and gives an average score (based on more or less transparent politics). You can like that or not but that's not the same thing as a scam.
Posted By: Lou Contaldi

Re: D:OS Reviews coming in :) - 09/07/14 06:21 PM

Originally Posted By: Garod
some more reviews:
8.1 don't quite agree with this one on some things...
http://middleofnowheregaming.com/2014/07/07/divinity-original-sin-review/


Hey Garod! I'm the Senior Editor of Middle of Nowhere Gaming (MONG) and just wanted to point out that our reviewer absolutely LOVED the game -- we tend to use all points of the review scale [unlike the IGN's which will give a game a 7 just for merely working].

This is what an 8.1 would mean on our site, according to our review scale:
"A great game is exactly what it sounds like: great. The game has its (sometimes obvious) flaws, but the vast majority of the game is expertly executed. The flaws may be that it has underwhelming value, that the audience is too niche, or that the story is bland. A great game would be one you would recommend to a lot of people while you may not recommend it to an everyday Joe (or possibly someone who doesn稚 enjoy the genre), you think it exemplifies what makes a great game. While it is not the best game in your collection, it is a worthy selection that is well worth the time and money."

I believe the only reason it was given under a 9 was some technical issues [which will undoubtedly be patched soon!] and how it is naturally difficult for beginners to get a hang of things -- it is a great game in the genre, but not something we could actively recommend to people who may not be fans of the genre. The story was, for the most part, left out of the decision.

If you have any further questions, let me know! I'll forward them to the reviewing staff member!

Thanks again for taking the time to read the review, we always appreciate it!
Posted By: Tanist

Re: D:OS Reviews coming in :) - 09/07/14 06:32 PM

Originally Posted By: LordCrash
Originally Posted By: Hiver
Metacritic is a scam itself, as well as the whole gaming "media" so... i dont see much of a point.

Metacritic isn't scam, it's just a site that collects reviews and gives an average score (based on more or less transparent politics). You can like that or not but that's not the same thing as a scam.



They allow people to scam it is the problem. That 78/100 review on D:OS was a fake review designed to weight the score from getting close to 90. Metacritic won't remove the score even when it is proven as fraud and so even if the next 5-10 reviews come in at 90, it will raise it a point or so at most.

The review is done. The score is a mid 80's by the critics and barring a sudden rush of 95+ reviews (not likely to happen), it will stay there.

So, the fraud review did its job. It curbed a score for a game and I shit you not, publishers pay people to do this stuff. The business is not a nice business, it is filled with lying backstabbing cheating frauds.
Posted By: KnightPT

Re: D:OS Reviews coming in :) - 09/07/14 06:54 PM

Originally Posted By: Lou Contaldi
(...) and how it is naturally difficult for beginners to get a hang of things -- it is a great game in the genre, but not something we could actively recommend to people who may not be fans of the genre. (...)




I deeply respect your position as senior editor and i logicaly understand all the other reasons you forwarded.

All except the above quote wich i think doesnt work at all in most situations. I'll explain:

A good game in it's genre has to do very well in it's genre. A good car racing game has to be a good car racing game. A good FPS has to be good in first person. A good wii-fit game has to be good at whatever fitness is good. A good platform game like Mario has to be good at platforming and so on.

With this said, you can't give a 9 to any game because all REALY GOOD games will only be recomended to the people that like that genre because that game in order to be good in it's genre, will likely push the people who don't like that genre further away from it the more it does its job well smile

If you give a 9 to a FIFA game because it's a great soccer game i have to say you are crazy because i absolutely HATE sport games and according to your review criteria you realy shouldnt give anything more than an 8 because it's impossible to recomend a good genre game to everyone.

Same thing with RPGs. You can't recomend a REALY true and good RPG to anyone realy because it's a dificult "genre" and it's not for everyone. But you should apply that logic to EVERY genre than, and in that logic you can't realy give more than an 8.1 to any good game and state "well it's a realy good Action game!" or "it's a realy good strategy game!" - If a good strategy game does it's job well, it will please strategy gammers the most, but people who like action will hate it more wink


Bottom line, you can't realy say you don't give more score to a game based on the line above stating "not something we could actively recommend to people who may not be fans of the genre" in the same logic you can't recomend any game to the people who are not fans of the genre... Did you recomend Mass Effect to everyone? even people who only play browser games or people that absolutely hate games with dialog ?

REAly sorry to disagree with your criteria but honestly it's just unfair, the more a game it's good at its genre the more you punish it because it will be harder to recomend to people who don't like that genre...

If you state you don't recomend it to everyone because it's "a hard game", than any realy good true simulation game is hard to anyone that is not fan of the genre, so you also can't recomend it to everyone giving it more than an 8.1.

Either your logic fails a little, or you are just being against RPGs in general, still thinking that a true RPG is a "niche" or something wich is not because D:OS is on top of charts for example smile
Posted By: LordCrash

Re: D:OS Reviews coming in :) - 09/07/14 07:12 PM

Originally Posted By: Tanist
Originally Posted By: LordCrash
Originally Posted By: Hiver
Metacritic is a scam itself, as well as the whole gaming "media" so... i dont see much of a point.

Metacritic isn't scam, it's just a site that collects reviews and gives an average score (based on more or less transparent politics). You can like that or not but that's not the same thing as a scam.



They allow people to scam it is the problem. That 78/100 review on D:OS was a fake review designed to weight the score from getting close to 90. Metacritic won't remove the score even when it is proven as fraud and so even if the next 5-10 reviews come in at 90, it will raise it a point or so at most.


Have you any proof for that claim or is it just your speculation/forecast? But multiple people already notified this scam review to metacritic, so we'll see what will happen anyway. wink
Posted By: Tanist

Re: D:OS Reviews coming in :) - 09/07/14 07:16 PM

Originally Posted By: LordCrash
Originally Posted By: Tanist
Originally Posted By: LordCrash
Originally Posted By: Hiver
Metacritic is a scam itself, as well as the whole gaming "media" so... i dont see much of a point.

Metacritic isn't scam, it's just a site that collects reviews and gives an average score (based on more or less transparent politics). You can like that or not but that's not the same thing as a scam.



They allow people to scam it is the problem. That 78/100 review on D:OS was a fake review designed to weight the score from getting close to 90. Metacritic won't remove the score even when it is proven as fraud and so even if the next 5-10 reviews come in at 90, it will raise it a point or so at most.


Have you any proof for that claim or is it just your speculation/forecast? But multiple people already notified this scam review to metacritic, so we'll see what will happen anyway. wink



How do I know? Well... they have done it in the past many times. Go read some of the reviews on games with low critic, but high user ratings. Fraud reviews aren't anything new.
Posted By: LordCrash

Re: D:OS Reviews coming in :) - 09/07/14 07:32 PM

Originally Posted By: Tanist

How do I know? Well... they have done it in the past many times. Go read some of the reviews on games with low critic, but high user ratings. Fraud reviews aren't anything new.


Well, a difference between pro reviews and user reviews can have many reasons. The most likely one is that games get updated over time and user reviews react to that while pro reviews are only made at release. Another fact is of course that there is often a much higher user base for user reviews than for pro reviews. And then there is the "herd instinct" in both positive and negative directions which applies on internet users even more than on pro reviewers...

I actually never read a real "fraud" review before which was such an obvious scam. Of course I've read a lot of reviews that I myself thought which were lacking in both writing quality and content but at least the reviewers seemed to get the basic facts rights (which is not the case here)...
Posted By: RtM

Re: D:OS Reviews coming in :) - 09/07/14 07:35 PM

You're all frauds in my eyes welcome
Posted By: Tanist

Re: D:OS Reviews coming in :) - 09/07/14 07:56 PM

Originally Posted By: LordCrash
Originally Posted By: Tanist

How do I know? Well... they have done it in the past many times. Go read some of the reviews on games with low critic, but high user ratings. Fraud reviews aren't anything new.


Well, a difference between pro reviews and user reviews can have many reasons. The most likely one is that games get updated over time and user reviews react to that while pro reviews are only made at release. Another fact is of course that there is often a much higher user base for user reviews than for pro reviews. And then there is the "herd instinct" in both positive and negative directions which applies on internet users even more than on pro reviewers...

I actually never read a real "fraud" review before which was such an obvious scam. Of course I've read a lot of reviews that I myself thought which were lacking in both writing quality and content but at least the reviewers seemed to get the basic facts rights (which is not the case here)...


I am not saying that user reviews are always correct, but they are often a lot more accurate than the critic reviews. Averages can be strongly adjusted with large deviations. So, it only takes a couple panned reviews to greatly adjust the score.

With the user reviews, it depends on the number. The larger the number, the harder it is for the average to be shifted, which means in order for the user rating to be greatly shifted, you have to have a very large coordinated push to move the score. This happens a lot less than you would think. It is more common in MMO reviews than other games.

There are a few circumstances where a company really blows it on release and then they slowly repair the game over time. Again, this isn't as common as those who receive the terrible scores would like you to believe. Diablo III is a terrible game from its predecessors and it isn't just because of the problems at release. Mass Effect 3 is a horrible RPG and it isn't just because of the ending fiasco. Those games aren't going to repair 5-6 points just because they fixed a single problem.
Posted By: LordCrash

Re: D:OS Reviews coming in :) - 09/07/14 08:03 PM

Originally Posted By: Tanist
Mass Effect 3 is a horrible RPG and it isn't just because of the ending fiasco. Those games aren't going to repair 5-6 points just because they fixed a single problem.

Well, I think Mass Effect 3 is a great game and I have every right to think so (and so do many reviewers). And I indeed think that Mass Effect 3 was a typical victim of internet flamebaiting and herd instinct. You can clearly see this by just reading a lot of the negative user reviews at metacritic. There is a difference between serious criticising a game and giving 0/10 points... wink
Posted By: Jito463

Re: D:OS Reviews coming in :) - 09/07/14 08:09 PM

Originally Posted By: LordCrash
Originally Posted By: Tanist
Mass Effect 3 is a horrible RPG and it isn't just because of the ending fiasco. Those games aren't going to repair 5-6 points just because they fixed a single problem.

Well, I think Mass Effect 3 is a great game and I have every right to think so (and so do many reviewers). And I indeed think that Mass Effect 3 was a typical victim of internet flamebaiting and herd instinct. You can clearly see this by just reading a lot of the negative user reviews at metacritic. There is a difference between serious criticising a game and giving 0/10 points... wink


To be fair, he didn't say it was a horrible game, just that it was a horrible RPG. Hopefully, we can all agree on that.
Posted By: Tanist

Re: D:OS Reviews coming in :) - 09/07/14 08:20 PM

Originally Posted By: Jito463

To be fair, he didn't say it was a horrible game, just that it was a horrible RPG. Hopefully, we can all agree on that.


Nod.

As an action/adventure game, it isn't a bad game though I tire of the repetitious action elements rather quickly.
Posted By: LordCrash

Re: D:OS Reviews coming in :) - 09/07/14 08:31 PM

Originally Posted By: Jito463
Originally Posted By: LordCrash
Originally Posted By: Tanist
Mass Effect 3 is a horrible RPG and it isn't just because of the ending fiasco. Those games aren't going to repair 5-6 points just because they fixed a single problem.

Well, I think Mass Effect 3 is a great game and I have every right to think so (and so do many reviewers). And I indeed think that Mass Effect 3 was a typical victim of internet flamebaiting and herd instinct. You can clearly see this by just reading a lot of the negative user reviews at metacritic. There is a difference between serious criticising a game and giving 0/10 points... wink


To be fair, he didn't say it was a horrible game, just that it was a horrible RPG. Hopefully, we can all agree on that.

Not really. That in itself depends a lot of the definition of RPG. In some elements Mass Effect 3 was imo a better RPG than D:OS but that's little worth in itself. That's why I refuse to think in such limited categories/genres in general... wink
Posted By: Tanist

Re: D:OS Reviews coming in :) - 09/07/14 08:52 PM

Originally Posted By: LordCrash

Not really. That in itself depends a lot of the definition of RPG


Certainly, and Role Playing Game is where you play a Role, in a game and so naturally all games are Role Playing Games. /sarc

Yeah, sorry... I was there when they created the first pen and paper RPGs and of course the later cRPGs, I don't care for the whole "what it means to me" adaptions people have made to the term over the years and obviously, I am not going to beat this dead horse with you.

Lets just say... no. I don't agree.
Posted By: LordCrash

Re: D:OS Reviews coming in :) - 10/07/14 12:03 AM

Eurogamer Germany review: 80/100

http://www.eurogamer.de/articles/2014-07-08-divinity-original-sin-test


And on a side note: Divinity Original Sin is part of Gamespot's "Road to the Game of the Year 2014". You can watch the nomination video here (can't wait for Kevin VanOrd's review tbh)... wink

http://www.gamespot.com/videos/road-to-game-of-the-year-2014/2300-6420132/


And here is a new interview from PC Gamer with Swen. It seems like we could expect the AI personalities and other things in a big update next week! Extra companions also have a new ETA -> August. smile

http://www.pcgamer.com/2014/07/09/divini...ts-next-update/


Posted By: Lou Contaldi

Re: D:OS Reviews coming in :) - 10/07/14 12:51 AM

Originally Posted By: KnightPT
Originally Posted By: Lou Contaldi
(...) and how it is naturally difficult for beginners to get a hang of things -- it is a great game in the genre, but not something we could actively recommend to people who may not be fans of the genre. (...)



I deeply respect your position as senior editor and i logicaly understand all the other reasons you forwarded.

All except the above quote wich i think doesnt work at all in most situations. I'll explain:

A good game in it's genre has to do very well in it's genre. A good car racing game has to be a good car racing game. A good FPS has to be good in first person. A good wii-fit game has to be good at whatever fitness is good. A good platform game like Mario has to be good at platforming and so on.

With this said, you can't give a 9 to any game because all REALY GOOD games will only be recomended to the people that like that genre because that game in order to be good in it's genre, will likely push the people who don't like that genre further away from it the more it does its job well smile

If you give a 9 to a FIFA game because it's a great soccer game i have to say you are crazy because i absolutely HATE sport games and according to your review criteria you realy shouldnt give anything more than an 8 because it's impossible to recomend a good genre game to everyone.

Same thing with RPGs. You can't recomend a REALY true and good RPG to anyone realy because it's a dificult "genre" and it's not for everyone. But you should apply that logic to EVERY genre than, and in that logic you can't realy give more than an 8.1 to any good game and state "well it's a realy good Action game!" or "it's a realy good strategy game!" - If a good strategy game does it's job well, it will please strategy gammers the most, but people who like action will hate it more wink

Bottom line, you can't realy say you don't give more score to a game based on the line above stating "not something we could actively recommend to people who may not be fans of the genre" in the same logic you can't recomend any game to the people who are not fans of the genre... Did you recomend Mass Effect to everyone? even people who only play browser games or people that absolutely hate games with dialog ?

Really sorry to disagree with your criteria but honestly it's just unfair, the more a game it's good at its genre the more you punish it because it will be harder to recomend to people who don't like that genre...

If you state you don't recomend it to everyone because it's "a hard game", than any realy good true simulation game is hard to anyone that is not fan of the genre, so you also can't recomend it to everyone giving it more than an 8.1.

Either your logic fails a little, or you are just being against RPGs in general, still thinking that a true RPG is a "niche" or something which is not because D:OS is on top of charts for example smile


Hey KnightPT!

I think we are just having a small communication problem! The review scale isn't saying that the game has to alter the minds of non-believers! When we say "actively recommend to people who may not be fans of the genre" we don't mean they hate or even dislike the genre, just that it isn't in their normal repertoire.

The difference to us is something like BlazBlue: Chrono Phantasma versus Super Smash Bros. -- we enjoyed BlazBlue and thought but some of the difficulty curve and controls are more tailored for people who are into the nitty gritty, however lacked some good tutorials . Meanwhile, Super Smash Bros. holds a more universal appeal for all gamers, is generally more accessible, etc..

If someone came up to the reviewer and asked "What game should I play right now?", he would probably say "You HAVE to play Divinity: Original Sin if you are a fan of RPGS, that game is Great!" Meanwhile, they might not need the "if you are a fan of RPGs" qualifier with other games. Its a similar situation as when we had to tackle reviewing Southpark: Stick of Truth -- it is something we'd actively recommend to fans of the series game, but may or may not to people who aren't fans of the series. Hearthstone is something we can actively recommend to everyone, not just people with background in WoW.

I wish I could be more precise about what exactly made him come to the conclusion -- I haven't played the game. But that is at least the explanation of our review scale smile We are doing our best to recommend to people with different tastes!
Posted By: Hiver

Re: D:OS Reviews coming in :) - 10/07/14 01:45 AM

Much doritos.
Posted By: Tanist

Re: D:OS Reviews coming in :) - 10/07/14 01:51 AM

Originally Posted By: Hiver
Much doritos.



Yo! Don't forget the Dew!
Posted By: LordCrash

Re: D:OS Reviews coming in :) - 10/07/14 02:06 AM

95/100 from Hooked Gamers: http://www.hookedgamers.com/pc/divinity_original_sin/review/article-1286.html

And another 9/10 from Eurogamer Italy this time: http://www.eurogamer.it/articles/2014-07...censione-review
Posted By: bargeral

Re: D:OS Reviews coming in :) - 10/07/14 02:18 AM

I'm really excited to see so many positive reviews come in!
Posted By: slimgrin

Re: D:OS Reviews coming in :) - 10/07/14 04:05 AM

Good to see positive reviews, especially for a turn based isometric RPG. But Larian needs to patch the shit out of this, add new DLC and call it enhanced edition. CDPR has shown the value in a second release.
Posted By: LordofBones

Re: D:OS Reviews coming in :) - 10/07/14 08:02 AM

Good job Larian, you deserve all this.

Now gimme some new wizard dresses and spells. :P
Posted By: Garod

Re: D:OS Reviews coming in :) - 10/07/14 08:38 AM

Originally Posted By: Lou Contaldi
Originally Posted By: Garod
some more reviews:
8.1 don't quite agree with this one on some things...
http://middleofnowheregaming.com/2014/07/07/divinity-original-sin-review/


Hey Garod! I'm the Senior Editor of Middle of Nowhere Gaming (MONG) and just wanted to point out that our reviewer absolutely LOVED the game -- we tend to use all points of the review scale [unlike the IGN's which will give a game a 7 just for merely working].

This is what an 8.1 would mean on our site, according to our review scale:
"A great game is exactly what it sounds like: great. The game has its (sometimes obvious) flaws, but the vast majority of the game is expertly executed. The flaws may be that it has underwhelming value, that the audience is too niche, or that the story is bland. A great game would be one you would recommend to a lot of people while you may not recommend it to an everyday Joe (or possibly someone who doesn稚 enjoy the genre), you think it exemplifies what makes a great game. While it is not the best game in your collection, it is a worthy selection that is well worth the time and money."

I believe the only reason it was given under a 9 was some technical issues [which will undoubtedly be patched soon!] and how it is naturally difficult for beginners to get a hang of things -- it is a great game in the genre, but not something we could actively recommend to people who may not be fans of the genre. The story was, for the most part, left out of the decision.

If you have any further questions, let me know! I'll forward them to the reviewing staff member!

Thanks again for taking the time to read the review, we always appreciate it!



Hi Lou,

First off thanks for responding. Let me clarify what I meant with that I don't quite agree with some of this review. I wasn't saying that your score is wrong or that it's a bad review.
I was more mentioning that there were a couple of things in the review I didn't agree with as a personal opinion.

Here some points I wouldn't agree with:

"Divinity: Original Sin, isn?t a visually stunning game; the title is mostly played from a zoomed out perspective and as such, there isn?t any extreme levels of detail on the world?s objects. The game?s environments, while lacking in extensive detail, are brought to life by the many interactive objects on screen. While the game?s bright visuals and saturated color pallet might not appeal to everyone, it strongly encourages exploration of the world which befits the game?s adventurous tone. Just don?t expect to see any awe inspiring landscapes.."

I love the vibrant colors of the game and really enjoy the art style as such the visuals for me are pretty good. Also if you read allot of other reviewers you'll find that the majority laud the graphics taking into consideration this is a CRPG and probably the best looking CRPG up to date. Also I'm not quite sure why objects being movable is a criteria for visuals? I didn't see any mention of the artwork, spell effects or simply "completeness of the environment" (wildlife, cutlery on tables etc etc)which adds to immersion. If you compare visuals to Skyrim or Witcher 3 etc yes the graphics aren't that good, but compare it to other similar games "BG revision, Wasteland, etc" they are better than anything out there.


"There are 11 different starting classes to choose from and their diversity adds a lot of depth to the gameplay. There are straight-forward classes like the melee powerhouse fighters, specialist classes in certain elements like the wizard and then there are hybrid classes like the healing warrior clerics. The variety of classes lends Divinity: Original Sin great replayability and diversity as a whole. These classes are customizable by adding points to their attributes, skills and abilities, all of which have a profound effect on the gameplay both in and outside of combat."

Actually there are no classes in D:OS, if you look a little deeper into your character creation as well you are completely free to chose whatever starting skills,stats and abilities as well as spells.

"Divinity: Original Sin also has a robust crafting system where players can collect materials scattered around the world or dropped by monsters which can then be used to craft new items. However, unlocking item crafting can only be achieved by locating the many crafting recipes scattered across the world, encouraging exploration and interactivity between players and the many npcs and objects in the world."

As far as I know you don't need recipes to craft, they are simply there to help you find the available combinations.


"The game does have its fair share of bugs, and this has lead to a infrequent number of game crashes and resets. The most prevalent encounter of one I experienced was within one of the game?s many loading screens upon the transition between areas within the game."

I've personally not crashed once, I know Larian had an issue on release day but that was fixed in a day or two with patches. Not quite sure what "fair share of bugs" means there's no clarification and feels more like something thrown in the review without evidence to back it up.

So as I said, overall I like the review and it does a good job and you can clearly tell the reviewer enjoyed the combat element of the game. So please don't take this as too harsh a criticism, but I thought I'd give some color to my statement of not quite agreeing with everything.





Posted By: Kriss

Re: D:OS Reviews coming in :) - 10/07/14 09:07 AM

Originally Posted By: slimgrin
Good to see positive reviews, especially for a turn based isometric RPG. But Larian needs to patch the shit out of this, add new DLC and call it enhanced edition. CDPR has shown the value in a second release.

Oh we could only hope for an enhanced edition with the day night cycle stuff.
Posted By: Windemere

Re: D:OS Reviews coming in :) - 10/07/14 11:18 AM

Originally Posted By: slimgrin
Good to see positive reviews, especially for a turn based isometric RPG. But Larian needs to patch the shit out of this, add new DLC and call it enhanced edition. CDPR has shown the value in a second release.


For this kind of game I think they'll get more mileage by polishing up and supporting the editor. I'd say wrapping the toolkit up is the only thing that is really needed besides the patch that will be coming soon with companion AI, etc.
Posted By: KnightPT

Re: D:OS Reviews coming in :) - 10/07/14 01:03 PM

Originally Posted By: Windemere
Originally Posted By: slimgrin
Good to see positive reviews, especially for a turn based isometric RPG. But Larian needs to patch the shit out of this, add new DLC and call it enhanced edition. CDPR has shown the value in a second release.


For this kind of game I think they'll get more mileage by polishing up and supporting the editor. I'd say wrapping the toolkit up is the only thing that is really needed besides the patch that will be coming soon with companion AI, etc.



There are some balance changes all round to be done aswell. Dificulty gets realy funky after level 10 or so, normal mode dificulty kinda gets into easy mode and the game seems to artificialy try to counter this by adding artificialy created miss rates for melee and pets wich seems weird. Dificulty should be ramped up through increased enemy HP/damage output not funky behind-the-scene math calculations.

There are aswell some UI changes that would go a long way to make the game more accessible to people with less patience, but still maintain the "hard-core" feeling for veterans - there are numerous sugestions already on the forums, mainly on inventory and journal UI.

Also, the "gigantic/endless/watever" hardcore dungeon that was promissed in KS would go a long way to create a new flavor for the game that is already quite rich. Day/night cycles i understand it's way too big of a change to make it a patch or even a DLC and quite honestly it would introduce too many changes to the game that already works realy way the way it is now.


Also it's realy needed more variety in the companions. Only being able to pick the same 2 realy cuts on the replayability of the game. In a game so vast and "open ended" as D:OS it's realy weird we can only pick the same 2 companions in the entire world, it feels like a cutted feature (yes i know you can pick more, but they are just dummies with no lore/background story - not the same. Surely larian will add more.


All in all, one big patch is needed to add more companions (with their story/lore ofc), new AI personalities, balance fixes at end-game and probably a few in the starting 3 levels (to make it easier for entry-level newbies), some UI improvements and toolkit easy-to-use changes.

After that, i'm all for new adventures and DLC, even an expansion. Larian please take my money, i dare you smile
Posted By: Hiver

Re: D:OS Reviews coming in :) - 10/07/14 03:13 PM

Originally Posted By: Tanist
Originally Posted By: Hiver
Much doritos.



Yo! Don't forget the Dew!


And the swag? The food? The hotel rooms, sacks, drinks, hot booth babes calling you mr. Senior Editor SIR!

Howl!
Posted By: Lou Contaldi

Re: D:OS Reviews coming in :) - 10/07/14 03:51 PM

Originally Posted By: Garod
Hi Lou,

First off thanks for responding. Let me clarify what I meant with that I don't quite agree with some of this review. I wasn't saying that your score is wrong or that it's a bad review.
I was more mentioning that there were a couple of things in the review I didn't agree with as a personal opinion.

Here some points I wouldn't agree with:

"Divinity: Original Sin, isn?t a visually stunning game; the title is mostly played from a zoomed out perspective and as such, there isn?t any extreme levels of detail on the world?s objects. The game?s environments, while lacking in extensive detail, are brought to life by the many interactive objects on screen. While the game?s bright visuals and saturated color pallet might not appeal to everyone, it strongly encourages exploration of the world which befits the game?s adventurous tone. Just don?t expect to see any awe inspiring landscapes.."

I love the vibrant colors of the game and really enjoy the art style as such the visuals for me are pretty good. Also if you read allot of other reviewers you'll find that the majority laud the graphics taking into consideration this is a CRPG and probably the best looking CRPG up to date. Also I'm not quite sure why objects being movable is a criteria for visuals? I didn't see any mention of the artwork, spell effects or simply "completeness of the environment" (wildlife, cutlery on tables etc etc)which adds to immersion. If you compare visuals to Skyrim or Witcher 3 etc yes the graphics aren't that good, but compare it to other similar games "BG revision, Wasteland, etc" they are better than anything out there.


"There are 11 different starting classes to choose from and their diversity adds a lot of depth to the gameplay. There are straight-forward classes like the melee powerhouse fighters, specialist classes in certain elements like the wizard and then there are hybrid classes like the healing warrior clerics. The variety of classes lends Divinity: Original Sin great replayability and diversity as a whole. These classes are customizable by adding points to their attributes, skills and abilities, all of which have a profound effect on the gameplay both in and outside of combat."

Actually there are no classes in D:OS, if you look a little deeper into your character creation as well you are completely free to chose whatever starting skills,stats and abilities as well as spells.

"Divinity: Original Sin also has a robust crafting system where players can collect materials scattered around the world or dropped by monsters which can then be used to craft new items. However, unlocking item crafting can only be achieved by locating the many crafting recipes scattered across the world, encouraging exploration and interactivity between players and the many npcs and objects in the world."

As far as I know you don't need recipes to craft, they are simply there to help you find the available combinations.


"The game does have its fair share of bugs, and this has lead to a infrequent number of game crashes and resets. The most prevalent encounter of one I experienced was within one of the game?s many loading screens upon the transition between areas within the game."

I've personally not crashed once, I know Larian had an issue on release day but that was fixed in a day or two with patches. Not quite sure what "fair share of bugs" means there's no clarification and feels more like something thrown in the review without evidence to back it up.

So as I said, overall I like the review and it does a good job and you can clearly tell the reviewer enjoyed the combat element of the game. So please don't take this as too harsh a criticism, but I thought I'd give some color to my statement of not quite agreeing with everything.



Those are all great points; I can't say whether I agree or not, all I know is D:OS is on my shortlist of backlogged games -- it looks spectacular and the vibrant community is helping me shift it further up.

Either way, I'm glad you took the time to read through the story; your points seem like stuff I would agree with you on [maybe I'll put out a second opinion after I've sunken my teeth into it!]

Originally Posted By: Hiver
Originally Posted By: Tanist
Originally Posted By: Hiver
Much doritos.



Yo! Don't forget the Dew!


And the swag? The food? The hotel rooms, sacks, drinks, hot booth babes calling you mr. Senior Editor SIR!

Howl!


You'd be surprised, it is mostly just late nights playing games and balancing my other job in a non-air conditioned room. If anyone wants to pay for my flights to LA, I'll make sure to grab some of the swag/babes for you -- until then, our team is based in Lawrence, KS. We are still waiting for PAX Bumblefuck to be announced, catering to the mid-America crowd! lol

P.S. Do the Dew
Posted By: Hiver

Re: D:OS Reviews coming in :) - 10/07/14 04:54 PM

You gotta work your way up man.

More global recommendations for Activision, Zenimax, EA and other big publishing companies is the ticket to the Dorito mountain heights.

Mind you, Original Sin has its issues and i dont particularly care to see any gushing reviews, nor do i particularly care for the whole "gaming media" in any way except pure hatred.
Its a ... thing,... thats distorted from a way back and wont be corrected any time soon.

I do reserve the right to yank your chain as one of the representatives of the mentioned ... thing... purely on matters of principle.

Non-air conditioned room? Is that supposed to make me feel any pity? I never had any my whole life.
When i work i work for days or months on end in any weather.
plus - There are much worse places then middle America on this Earth buddy... even Kansas.


Dont take it personally, i just hate and despise that whole parasitic mindless "industry" in general. Not your fault. I know.
Posted By: Garod

Re: D:OS Reviews coming in :) - 10/07/14 05:05 PM

Hi Lou,

Showing up and commenting I think is great because it helps us understand your view a bit better so that's very much appreciated.
From my perspective I'd recommend taking a second look at it and sinking your teeth into it a bit deeper. Play it with someone you know (I'm playing with my wife) and it adds so much to the experience.

Also you probably don't want to have a review out there which has "incorrect" information in it.

Again I'm not asking your to give it a higher score, in my opinion anything between 80 up is pretty much in the sweet zone of what this game deserves. Like every game it has some shortcomings and places of improvement such as inventory management, some UI things (pass turn) to name some basic ones.

So I hope you get that chance to play it again and enjoy it as much as most of us.
Also you may get some interesting insights about Larian from Sven's blog and I can only recommend reading it to give you a little flavor about the company who made this game. Or visit the Kickstarter page and look at the comments/updates there and it'll give you an idea what a fantastic experience it's been for us Kickstarters and why we passionately believe in Larian as a company who has the best interest of us gamers in mind.
Posted By: Windemere

Re: D:OS Reviews coming in :) - 10/07/14 05:28 PM

Joystiq will be running a twitch stream later today.
Posted By: LordCrash

Re: D:OS Reviews coming in :) - 10/07/14 06:09 PM

GiantBomb is doing a livestream right now: http://www.giantbomb.com/
Posted By: LordCrash

Re: D:OS Reviews coming in :) - 10/07/14 06:17 PM

Videogamer video review:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J1LEMsXRJxQ
Posted By: Windemere

Re: D:OS Reviews coming in :) - 10/07/14 06:52 PM

Originally Posted By: LordCrash
GiantBomb is doing a livestream right now: http://www.giantbomb.com/


So painful to watch this. ouch
Posted By: LordCrash

Re: D:OS Reviews coming in :) - 10/07/14 07:54 PM

Originally Posted By: Windemere
Originally Posted By: LordCrash
GiantBomb is doing a livestream right now: http://www.giantbomb.com/


So painful to watch this. ouch


Why, what happened?
Posted By: Windemere

Re: D:OS Reviews coming in :) - 10/07/14 08:05 PM

Originally Posted By: LordCrash
Why, what happened?


They just had a very minimal grasp of the game and the genre in general so I found myself yelling at the screen a lot. smile Still, I'm sure it was useful to some people and it helps to see what someone without much background with the game encounters when diving into it headfirst.
Posted By: LordCrash

Re: D:OS Reviews coming in :) - 10/07/14 08:10 PM

Originally Posted By: Windemere
Originally Posted By: LordCrash
Why, what happened?


They just had a very minimal grasp of the game and the genre in general so I found myself yelling at the screen a lot. smile Still, I'm sure it was useful to some people and it helps to see what someone without much background with the game encounters when diving into it headfirst.


Well, I think there are many people who could possibly love D:OS out there who have not played the isometric RPGs from 15-20 years ago so far... wink
Posted By: Windemere

Re: D:OS Reviews coming in :) - 10/07/14 08:14 PM

So do I. I was just worried that seeing those guys bail out of a fight that they should have won because it was "too hard" might turn them off. smile
Posted By: LordCrash

Re: D:OS Reviews coming in :) - 10/07/14 11:50 PM

AND....another 9/10 coming in, this time from Game Revolution:

http://www.gamerevolution.com/review/divinity-original-sin
Posted By: KnightPT

Re: D:OS Reviews coming in :) - 11/07/14 12:47 AM

Originally Posted By: LordCrash
AND....another 9/10 coming in, this time from Game Revolution:

http://www.gamerevolution.com/review/divinity-original-sin


Another good review, same negative points as most : clunky inventory system and quest journal lack of info...

I might agree to the inventory but quest journal tips seems going to handhold players more so i dont want that realy...
Posted By: Garod

Re: D:OS Reviews coming in :) - 11/07/14 05:05 AM

Wow, that's.... amazing... D:OS just beat everything out there in popularity if this site is to be believed....

http://www.gamerankings.com/

Most Popular
1. Divinity: Original Sin (PC)
89.00%
Score based on 7 reviews
2. Watch Dogs (PS4) 81.26%
3. Mario Kart 8 (WIIU) 88.52%
4. Tomodachi Life (3DS) 71.98%
5. Dynasty Warriors: Gundam Reborn (PS3) 71.64%
6. Final Fantasy XIV Online: A Realm Reborn (PS4) 86.08%
7. Minecraft: PlayStation 3 Edition (PS3) 86.44%
8. EA Sports UFC (PS4) 69.58%
9. Dark Souls II (PC) 88.30%
10. Watch Dogs (PC) 75.87%
Posted By: Garod

Re: D:OS Reviews coming in :) - 11/07/14 05:21 AM

Also Gamespot considers D:OS contender for Game of the Year 2014 http://www.gamespot.com/videos/road-to-game-of-the-year-2014/2300-6420132/
Posted By: Kriss

Re: D:OS Reviews coming in :) - 11/07/14 06:53 AM

Remember to report CriticoDubioso's user review on meta-critic.
He's a confirmed troll who gives 10's to game such as CoD Ghosts and TheWarZ.
I want people to report this review, because it drags down the user score, while being illigitamate, allow me to quote a portion of it
Originally Posted By: CriticoDubioso
too boring too boring too boring too boring too boring too boring too boring too boring too boring too boring too boring too boring too boring too boring too boring too boring too boring too boring too boring too boring too boring too boring too boring too boring too boring too boring too boring too boring too boring too boring too borin
Posted By: MogwaiX

Re: D:OS Reviews coming in :) - 11/07/14 08:06 AM

Fantastic! Way to go Larian!
Posted By: LordCrash

Re: D:OS Reviews coming in :) - 11/07/14 04:34 PM

Hahahaha...

Warning: your ears will bleed. silly

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s8CvTLhpYKc
Posted By: Knallfix

Re: D:OS Reviews coming in :) - 11/07/14 05:02 PM

Originally Posted By: LordCrash
Hahahaha...

Warning: your ears will bleed. silly

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s8CvTLhpYKc


Epic as always smile
You must watch their other reviewsicals.

Gamestar, German - 87/100
http://www.gamestar.de/spiele/divinity-original-sin/test/divinity_original_sin,48271,3057808.html
Posted By: LordCrash

Re: D:OS Reviews coming in :) - 11/07/14 05:45 PM

Originally Posted By: Knallfix

Gamestar, German - 87/100
http://www.gamestar.de/spiele/divinity-original-sin/test/divinity_original_sin,48271,3057808.html


Offtopic:
War ja klar, dass die bei Gamestar keine 90 springen lassen. Das bekommen dort eh meist nur Shooter fuer Grenzdebile oder eben Fanboyspiele (DA: Inquisition bekommt bestimmt ne 90). Traurig, traurig...


Edit: Better news: another 9/10 from Polish site GRYOnline.pl:
http://www.gry-online.pl/S020.asp?ID=9834


Edit2: PC Gamer review with 87/100:
http://www.pcgamer.com/review/divinity-original-sin-review/
"A little obtuse in places, but otherwise this is the best new RPG in years. Demands your time and your brain, but it's worth it."


Edit3: PCGamesN review with 9/10:
http://www.pcgamesn.com/divinity-original-sin/divinity-original-sin-review/page/0/1
Posted By: LordCrash

Re: D:OS Reviews coming in :) - 11/07/14 08:12 PM

Rock Paper Shotgun review:
http://www.rockpapershotgun.com/2014/07/11/wot-i-think-divinity-original-sin/
Posted By: Knallfix

Re: D:OS Reviews coming in :) - 11/07/14 11:37 PM

Originally Posted By: LordCrash
Originally Posted By: Knallfix

Gamestar, German - 87/100
http://www.gamestar.de/spiele/divinity-original-sin/test/divinity_original_sin,48271,3057808.html


Offtopic:
War ja klar, dass die bei Gamestar keine 90 springen lassen. Das bekommen dort eh meist nur Shooter fuer Grenzdebile oder eben Fanboyspiele (DA: Inquisition bekommt bestimmt ne 90). Traurig, traurig...


4Players ist besser ...
+ vielschichtige Figuren zwingen zu moralischen Entscheidungen
- Figuren und Geschichte bedienen sich bei vielen Fantasyklischees

Vielschichtige Klischees? smile

http://www.4players.de/4players.php/proc...iginal_Sin.html
Posted By: LordCrash

Re: D:OS Reviews coming in :) - 12/07/14 12:22 AM

Originally Posted By: Knallfix
Originally Posted By: LordCrash
Originally Posted By: Knallfix

Gamestar, German - 87/100
http://www.gamestar.de/spiele/divinity-original-sin/test/divinity_original_sin,48271,3057808.html


Offtopic:
War ja klar, dass die bei Gamestar keine 90 springen lassen. Das bekommen dort eh meist nur Shooter fuer Grenzdebile oder eben Fanboyspiele (DA: Inquisition bekommt bestimmt ne 90). Traurig, traurig...


4Players ist besser ...
+ vielschichtige Figuren zwingen zu moralischen Entscheidungen
- Figuren und Geschichte bedienen sich bei vielen Fantasyklischees

Vielschichtige Klischees? smile

http://www.4players.de/4players.php/proc...iginal_Sin.html



4 Players ist eh eine richtige Kaeseseite. Ich bin ueberrascht, dass der Luibl das nicht getestet hat, dann haette er mal wieder einen Verriss schreiben koennen...

Aber auch so ist die Wertung nahezu unverschaet (nicht mal ein "sehr gut" nach eigenem Wertungssystem), wenn man sich mal ansieht, was die Tulpen sonst so an Wertungen vergeben. Z.B. hat dort ein Fable 3 85% (="sehr gut") bekommen. Dazu sag ich jetzt mal lieber mal nichts mehr... wink
Posted By: LordCrash

Re: D:OS Reviews coming in :) - 12/07/14 12:34 AM

War ja klar, dass PC Games den Vogel abschiesst. Da wird doch tatsaehlich darueber gejammert, dass es zu wenig handholding und dass es keine Questmarker gibt. Ausserdem wird auch sonst jede Menge Unsinn geredet (z.B. dass Rogues/Rangers zu schwach sind, ahja). Oh je...

http://www.pcgames.de/Divinity-Original-...uldige-1128449/
Posted By: Garod

Re: D:OS Reviews coming in :) - 12/07/14 05:57 AM

8.6
http://www.mygameslounge.com/reviews/indiereview/divinity-original-sin-review/
Although the article is sometimes confused, in one sentence it mentions these are the best graphics you are likely to see in a dungeon crawler and in the next sentence say the graphics are not earthshattering.. make up your mind.


4.4/5
http://www.n3rdabl3.co.uk/2014/07/divinity-original-sin-review/


9.0
http://pc.9lives.be/games/divinity-original-sin/reviews/instant-classic
Posted By: Doublefreud *

Re: D:OS Reviews coming in :) - 12/07/14 06:50 AM

Originally Posted By: LordCrash
Hahahaha...

Warning: your ears will bleed. silly

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s8CvTLhpYKc

Fun but kind of weird hahaha
Posted By: Kudos

Re: D:OS Reviews coming in :) - 12/07/14 06:52 AM

Been playing the game a week now, and just had to pop by to thank and congratulate Larian Studios on an excellent game, that at this point in time almost feels like a love letter to a dear departed genre, full of the good times with none of the bad. It's obvious your vision has touched a lot of people in almost atrophied places, such a Triple-A result from a KS success story.

Well played over here, well played indeed. smile
Posted By: LordCrash

Re: D:OS Reviews coming in :) - 12/07/14 01:51 PM

Originally Posted By: Garod
8.6
http://www.mygameslounge.com/reviews/indiereview/divinity-original-sin-review/
Although the article is sometimes confused, in one sentence it mentions these are the best graphics you are likely to see in a dungeon crawler and in the next sentence say the graphics are not earthshattering.. make up your mind.


Looks like another sloppy review to me. Again we only have pre-alpha screenshots from early 2013 almost in the whole review...


Edit: Same is true for this review:


What's up with reviewers these days???
Posted By: LordCrash

Re: D:OS Reviews coming in :) - 12/07/14 02:04 PM

Another another "noob" review:

http://gamingtrend.com/reviews/heaven-hell-divinity-original-sin-review/


I can't take any review serious anymore in which the reviewer didn't even try the co-op mode. Even PC Gamer fell for this. Nobody would review a Call of Duty without trying and playing the MP mode intensively. But for D:OS some reviewers seem to be totally fine with not even mentioning the co-op mode although it's the PRIMARY game mode of this game...

mad
Posted By: Jito463

Re: D:OS Reviews coming in :) - 12/07/14 03:23 PM

Originally Posted By: LordCrash
Another another "noob" review:

http://gamingtrend.com/reviews/heaven-hell-divinity-original-sin-review/


I can't take any review serious anymore in which the reviewer didn't even try the co-op mode. Even PC Gamer fell for this. Nobody would review a Call of Duty without trying and playing the MP mode intensively. But for D:OS some reviewers seem to be totally fine with not even mentioning the co-op mode although it's the PRIMARY game mode of this game...

mad


Co-op is the primary game mode? Gee, I guess I've been wasting all my time playing single-player, when I was supposed to play the multi-player. Shucks, thanks for letting me know that.

Not everyone cares for multi-player, you know. Reviews based on single-player alone are perfectly valid, so long as they state that. After all, co-op is only as good as the person you're partnered with. Single-player is as good as Larian devised it to be, so it's a better example of the quality of the game.
Posted By: LordCrash

Re: D:OS Reviews coming in :) - 12/07/14 03:43 PM

Originally Posted By: Jito463
Originally Posted By: LordCrash
Another another "noob" review:

http://gamingtrend.com/reviews/heaven-hell-divinity-original-sin-review/


I can't take any review serious anymore in which the reviewer didn't even try the co-op mode. Even PC Gamer fell for this. Nobody would review a Call of Duty without trying and playing the MP mode intensively. But for D:OS some reviewers seem to be totally fine with not even mentioning the co-op mode although it's the PRIMARY game mode of this game...

mad


Co-op is the primary game mode? Gee, I guess I've been wasting all my time playing single-player, when I was supposed to play the multi-player. Shucks, thanks for letting me know that.

Not everyone cares for multi-player, you know. Reviews based on single-player alone are perfectly valid, so long as they state that. After all, co-op is only as good as the person you're partnered with. Single-player is as good as Larian devised it to be, so it's a better example of the quality of the game.


No, I disagree. That might be ok for a user review on Steam or Metacritic but not for a professional one. This game is made and designed as a co-op experience from the core. Not even trying the co-op mode is pathetic in a professional review (such as PC Gamer's). And none of these reviews particularly mark themselves as SP-reviews anyway. In D:OS co-op and SP are perhaps equally important (both are primary game modes, so not THE but A, sry) so there is no reason to only review one. Especially given the fact that some points of critique (like story or UI) are much less of an issue if you play in co-op because you notice that the whole game design with story and UI was developed with the co-op experience in mind. Without even mentioning the co-op or trying it out you cast and unjustified (and uniformed) shadow over the game...

It's perfectly fine to play D:OS or CoD or whatever only in SP. Why not? I only play them in SP myself tbh. But that doesn't mean that a professional reviewer shouldn't cover basic game modes of a game they review. That's just SLOPPY and UNPROFESSIONAL. And that's not only my opinion, that's a fact.
Posted By: slimgrin

Re: D:OS Reviews coming in :) - 12/07/14 05:18 PM

And still the top seller on Steam. Damn Larian, you're killin' it. :P

I wonder if the sales will allow them to grow the team. I'd like to see them make even more ambitious games in the future.
Posted By: LordCrash

Re: D:OS Reviews coming in :) - 12/07/14 05:34 PM

Originally Posted By: slimgrin
And still the top seller on Steam. Damn Larian, you're killin' it. :P

I wonder if the sales will allow them to grow the team. I'd like to see them make even more ambitious games in the future.


Well, I would like them to support DOS first, improving it further and making a lot new stuff for it (full expansion!).

Growing in size isn't always the best. More people often means more responsibility and more mainstream development. I would rather like Larian staying small and focused instead of going the same route as Bioware or CDPR lately... wink
Posted By: GamingTrend

Re: D:OS Reviews coming in :) - 12/07/14 10:47 PM

Cross posted from Steam:

Hi folks! Wanted to drop and post that we are putting the review under...well....review, but it seems like you guys already posted that.

There are a number of quality issues that we've run into with this review. Certainly we missed the price point, and apparently the 'press alt to see stuff and things' portion. I can assure you, however, that we aren't "lying" to make the game seem bad. I know a lot of the Larian guys personally, and I see them multiple times a year at trade shows. I wouldn't do that, and neither would Lucious. In point of fact, he's a pretty hardcore RPG'er, so I'm surprised if he missed things. It isn't an excuse, but we did write just about a million words at E3, so we are a little tired and behind - might have caused some issues here.

The screenshots that were used were likely dredged from the internet. He should have snapped them himself. We'll fix that. They are also stretched. Again, we'll get that sorted.

I'll ask for this - patience and understanding. Patience as we shore this up to the high quality of our other reviews (we do have nearly 2000 of them at this point), and understanding that Lucious, like all of us at GT, are volunteers. We do this because we LOVE videogames. These are our opinions, and sometimes we get it wrong. We'll make it right.

As for our scoring system - Check out our Review Philosophy here:
http://www.gamingtrend.com/our-review-system/
We put a lot of thought into it to try to reverse the common trend of "anything less than 80 is a fail" that most sites use.

Thanks to the folks who came here to provide constructive feedback. smile
Posted By: Tanist

Re: D:OS Reviews coming in :) - 12/07/14 10:55 PM

Originally Posted By: GamingTrend
Cross posted from Steam:

Hi folks! Wanted to drop and post that we are putting the review under...well....review, but it seems like you guys already posted that.

There are a number of quality issues that we've run into with this review. Certainly we missed the price point, and apparently the 'press alt to see stuff and things' portion. I can assure you, however, that we aren't "lying" to make the game seem bad. I know a lot of the Larian guys personally, and I see them multiple times a year at trade shows. I wouldn't do that, and neither would Lucious. In point of fact, he's a pretty hardcore RPG'er, so I'm surprised if he missed things. It isn't an excuse, but we did write just about a million words at E3, so we are a little tired and behind - might have caused some issues here.

The screenshots that were used were likely dredged from the internet. He should have snapped them himself. We'll fix that. They are also stretched. Again, we'll get that sorted.

I'll ask for this - patience and understanding. Patience as we shore this up to the high quality of our other reviews (we do have nearly 2000 of them at this point), and understanding that Lucious, like all of us at GT, are volunteers. We do this because we LOVE videogames. These are our opinions, and sometimes we get it wrong. We'll make it right.

As for our scoring system - Check out our Review Philosophy here:
http://www.gamingtrend.com/our-review-system/
We put a lot of thought into it to try to reverse the common trend of "anything less than 80 is a fail" that most sites use.

Thanks to the folks who came here to provide constructive feedback. smile



hmm...

75 = Good Not ground-breaking, but largely a positive experience.

If that is what you guys think... AFTER the reviews we can easily mull over that you have made of past games?

Well...

You sir are completely full of shit.

I mean, how any company could use your review for market analysis is beyond me.

The player base is pushing 90's and hell, you could take the position of "well, user reviews tend to be slanted" which might be a good excuse to drop the score about 5-10 points over HUNDREDS OF PEOPLE, but you go and score it a 75? REALLY?

Pathetic. Send your reviewer back to Burger King. I think "would you like fries with that" is better suited to his skills.
Posted By: Kriss

Re: D:OS Reviews coming in :) - 12/07/14 11:07 PM

Originally Posted By: GamingTrend
Cross posted from Steam:

Hi folks! Wanted to drop and post that we are putting the review under...well....review, but it seems like you guys already posted that.

There are a number of quality issues that we've run into with this review. Certainly we missed the price point, and apparently the 'press alt to see stuff and things' portion. I can assure you, however, that we aren't "lying" to make the game seem bad. I know a lot of the Larian guys personally, and I see them multiple times a year at trade shows. I wouldn't do that, and neither would Lucious. In point of fact, he's a pretty hardcore RPG'er, so I'm surprised if he missed things. It isn't an excuse, but we did write just about a million words at E3, so we are a little tired and behind - might have caused some issues here.

The screenshots that were used were likely dredged from the internet. He should have snapped them himself. We'll fix that. They are also stretched. Again, we'll get that sorted.

I'll ask for this - patience and understanding. Patience as we shore this up to the high quality of our other reviews (we do have nearly 2000 of them at this point), and understanding that Lucious, like all of us at GT, are volunteers. We do this because we LOVE videogames. These are our opinions, and sometimes we get it wrong. We'll make it right.

As for our scoring system - Check out our Review Philosophy here:
http://www.gamingtrend.com/our-review-system/
We put a lot of thought into it to try to reverse the common trend of "anything less than 80 is a fail" that most sites use.

Thanks to the folks who came here to provide constructive feedback. smile


Don't forget to fix "Lorian" instead of Larian in the start, and please, get someone who doesn't want his hand held and someone who knows what a "journal" is, to review the game.
Posted By: LordCrash

Re: D:OS Reviews coming in :) - 12/07/14 11:26 PM

Originally Posted By: GamingTrend
Cross posted from Steam:

Hi folks! Wanted to drop and post that we are putting the review under...well....review, but it seems like you guys already posted that.

There are a number of quality issues that we've run into with this review. Certainly we missed the price point, and apparently the 'press alt to see stuff and things' portion. I can assure you, however, that we aren't "lying" to make the game seem bad. I know a lot of the Larian guys personally, and I see them multiple times a year at trade shows. I wouldn't do that, and neither would Lucious. In point of fact, he's a pretty hardcore RPG'er, so I'm surprised if he missed things. It isn't an excuse, but we did write just about a million words at E3, so we are a little tired and behind - might have caused some issues here.

The screenshots that were used were likely dredged from the internet. He should have snapped them himself. We'll fix that. They are also stretched. Again, we'll get that sorted.

I'll ask for this - patience and understanding. Patience as we shore this up to the high quality of our other reviews (we do have nearly 2000 of them at this point), and understanding that Lucious, like all of us at GT, are volunteers. We do this because we LOVE videogames. These are our opinions, and sometimes we get it wrong. We'll make it right.

As for our scoring system - Check out our Review Philosophy here:
http://www.gamingtrend.com/our-review-system/
We put a lot of thought into it to try to reverse the common trend of "anything less than 80 is a fail" that most sites use.

Thanks to the folks who came here to provide constructive feedback. smile


Well, trying and reviewing the co-op mode is absolutely necessary for doing this game justice. It's not a tagged-on additional game mode. It's a core game mode of this game, basically on the same level as the SP experience. It's unprofessional to not even trying that mode and mentioning it in a review. As I said before, that's kind of like reviewing CallofDuty games without trying/testing the multiplayer. But other than CoD a lot of design aspects in Divinity: Original Sin are especially made with co-op in mind, like dialogues, storytelling, UI and general player progress. If you don't play the game in co-op you never have enough information to review and assess these design aspects properly.
Posted By: GamingTrend

Re: D:OS Reviews coming in :) - 13/07/14 01:05 AM

http://www.metacritic.com/game/pc/divinity-original-sin
http://www.gamerankings.com/pc/672174-divinity-original-sin/index.html

Looks like mid 80s.

"You sir are completely full of shit. " Thanks for the well-reasoned and clearly erudite response. I'll make sure I log that in the appropriate bin.


"but you go and score it a 75? REALLY?" - Before I respond to this, you DO realize that reviews are subjective right? Not every person will like every thing. I like Blade Runner. Most people do. Some people find it to be absolutely terrible. It doesn't make them, to use your parlance, "Full of shit".

"Pathetic. Send your reviewer back to Burger King." - Thanks for your valuable feedback.
Posted By: GamingTrend

Re: D:OS Reviews coming in :) - 13/07/14 01:07 AM

"Don't forget to fix "Lorian" instead of Larian in the start, and please, get someone who doesn't want his hand held and someone who knows what a "journal" is, to review the game."

We'll get that fixed - thanks for that. As for the journal, there is a balance between 'hand holding' and 'unintuitive'. Without having played the game myself yet (I picked it up after this bit of fun), I can't say where this falls in the spectrum. I shouldn't have to pore over a huge manual to "learn to play" - this isn't Falcon 4.0. (Yea, I'm old)
Posted By: GamingTrend

Re: D:OS Reviews coming in :) - 13/07/14 01:15 AM

"Well, trying and reviewing the co-op mode" - I completely agree. Lucious should have tested out co-op for his review. This shouldn't have gone live without it. That said, there is something to be said about wanting an epic RPG to be balanced for single or cooperative play. For instance, I personally don't have a schedule conducive to cooperative play, so I rarely get to do it much. He should have at least played it cooperatively enough to test the mechanics and to understand how and if it changes gameplay.
Posted By: LordCrash

Re: D:OS Reviews coming in :) - 13/07/14 01:39 AM

Originally Posted By: GamingTrend
"Don't forget to fix "Lorian" instead of Larian in the start, and please, get someone who doesn't want his hand held and someone who knows what a "journal" is, to review the game."

We'll get that fixed - thanks for that. As for the journal, there is a balance between 'hand holding' and 'unintuitive'. Without having played the game myself yet (I picked it up after this bit of fun), I can't say where this falls in the spectrum. I shouldn't have to pore over a huge manual to "learn to play" - this isn't Falcon 4.0. (Yea, I'm old)


Well, the game rewards progress made by own exploration. It's not about sinking endless times in a manual but the game provokes and requires your own critical thinking. How could that work? How could I solve that quest? Where could I go next?

But I agree that the journal itself is sometimes just too vague by not storing the proper information you've leant in dialogues or by other means. That happens not often but sometimes.
Posted By: Tanist

Re: D:OS Reviews coming in :) - 13/07/14 01:56 AM

Originally Posted By: GamingTrend
http://www.metacritic.com/game/pc/divinity-original-sin
http://www.gamerankings.com/pc/672174-divinity-original-sin/index.html

Looks like mid 80s.

"You sir are completely full of shit. " Thanks for the well-reasoned and clearly erudite response. I'll make sure I log that in the appropriate bin.


"but you go and score it a 75? REALLY?" - Before I respond to this, you DO realize that reviews are subjective right? Not every person will like every thing. I like Blade Runner. Most people do. Some people find it to be absolutely terrible. It doesn't make them, to use your parlance, "Full of shit".

"Pathetic. Send your reviewer back to Burger King." - Thanks for your valuable feedback.


Funny how some low reviews can drop a score right? You scored lower than the fraud panned review, so don't act as if you were somehow being reasonable.

This is all subjective, but when you pass out 90's for games that are commonly known as garbage, and then pan this game, it shows extreme ignorance to this title.

The fact that you have users here trying to educate you on your own job? /sigh

Sir, if you worked for me, you would be fired.
Posted By: LordCrash

Re: D:OS Reviews coming in :) - 13/07/14 02:06 AM

Originally Posted By: Tanist
Originally Posted By: GamingTrend
http://www.metacritic.com/game/pc/divinity-original-sin
http://www.gamerankings.com/pc/672174-divinity-original-sin/index.html

Looks like mid 80s.

"You sir are completely full of shit. " Thanks for the well-reasoned and clearly erudite response. I'll make sure I log that in the appropriate bin.


"but you go and score it a 75? REALLY?" - Before I respond to this, you DO realize that reviews are subjective right? Not every person will like every thing. I like Blade Runner. Most people do. Some people find it to be absolutely terrible. It doesn't make them, to use your parlance, "Full of shit".

"Pathetic. Send your reviewer back to Burger King." - Thanks for your valuable feedback.


Funny how some low reviews can drop a score right? You scored lower than the fraud panned review, so don't act as if you were somehow being reasonable.

This is all subjective, but when you pass out 90's for games that are commonly known as garbage, and then pan this game, it shows extreme ignorance to this title.

The fact that you have users here trying to educate you on your own job? /sigh

Sir, if you worked for me, you would be fired.

I think you misunderstood him. He's not the guy who did the review...
Posted By: ZoddGuts

Re: D:OS Reviews coming in :) - 13/07/14 02:33 AM

Just another click bait low review site. Nothing more to see.
Posted By: KnightPT

Re: D:OS Reviews coming in :) - 13/07/14 03:24 AM

Originally Posted By: GamingTrend
http://www.metacritic.com/game/pc/divinity-original-sin
http://www.gamerankings.com/pc/672174-divinity-original-sin/index.html

Looks like mid 80s.

"You sir are completely full of shit. " Thanks for the well-reasoned and clearly erudite response. I'll make sure I log that in the appropriate bin.


"but you go and score it a 75? REALLY?" - Before I respond to this, you DO realize that reviews are subjective right? Not every person will like every thing. I like Blade Runner. Most people do. Some people find it to be absolutely terrible. It doesn't make them, to use your parlance, "Full of shit".

"Pathetic. Send your reviewer back to Burger King." - Thanks for your valuable feedback.


Unfortunately the initial response to your post was just rage and thus made your life realy easy to just dismiss it, so here goes something a little more elaborate.

The review in question was clearly made by a reviewer that is very sub-par in this kind of genre. When even my wife can play the game co-op with me witout me saying much in hints and then you have a "RPGer" reviewing the game and having more dificulty in the game it's a very clear sign something's wrong.

Another sign something's wrong is that you have a dozen prefessional reviews over 85 that praise the game and hundreds of user reviews stating over 9.0 average, when mostly all negatives are from people either playing pirated versions with unpatched bugs or people QQIng it's too hard, and then you give it 10 less points as the average. 10!

Another CLEAR sign you review was just made by a bad reviewer is that it clearly states larian released an incomplete game, wich is just absurd as i already ended it with no game-breaking bugs. Even more serious the reviewer criticizes larian for releasing too early and having major bugs and already pachting the game twice when you you gave Diablo 3 a 90!!!!!! a game that was impossible to play for a full week !!!!!! talk about double standards here ah? i could give more examples just browsing your portfolio of reviews of bugged-games-at-launch-with-good-scores

(http://gamingtrend.com/game_reviews/dark-lord-couch-diablo-iii-review/)


Some realy evident quotes that make your reviewer realy realy bad or realy realy "naysayer" for the sake of it:

"and many quests went ignored because I had no idea where to find the characters to drive them forward"
Yes, it's called reading dialog and paying attention to hints. What is this? a 12 year old playing an RPG after playing Mario Brothers?

"How do I craft an item? Stumble over a recipe book or drag a few random items over one another in your inventory and maybe you値l get something"
He's not even trying. Realy, it was a rushed review. There are soooo many recipies in the world that he mentioning "stumbing" means he didnt play the game more than a couple hours. And yes, you can randomly try to combine items but recipies will tell you everything you need to know.

" Now you must decide if you want your archer to stay near the back of the formation, where their exceptional accuracy but low health (because there are only so many points to go around) will be most effective in combat, or lead the group, where they can quickly locate potential dangers but be much more vulnerable."
What ? this makes no sense at all. What you "lead" outside of combat is diferent from the combat formations, i bet the reviewer didnt even notice the battle formation button. Oh and btw the archer is not accurate at all and suffer a lot from low% chance at high range, magic users are way more accurate at all ranges. Another mistake that clearly says he didnt play the game at all.


I'm realy sorry but this review was a half-baked-sorry-excuse of a review. No mention of the good points of the game because it's clearly a review made by someone that has no clue how to play and didnt go far into the game nor didnt have time to experiment and explore solutions.


I'm realy sorry but i can't take your review site as serious after this review. I'm not trying to be a fanboy defending "larian honor", i'm just realy trying to understand if it was just a poorly made review from your reviewer, or you are "fishing" for page-hits based on this score.

Hopefuly you as an editor in chief will be wise enough to understand it's a bad review. Hell even if you gave the game a 90 it would still be a bad review. Poor texted, poor depth, poor explanations of how the game works, etc. It's a review worth it for an amateur third grade local newspaper. If you think the game deserves a certain score at least provide serious arguments about it either it's a 50, a 75, a 90, etc, and not just a couple of paragraphs criticizing a 100 hour game in a couple lines that don't even make sense and are not true nor objective in fact.

If you say you want to growth this is realy not the way to do it m8.

Good luck in your "review of the review".
Posted By: GamingTrend

Re: D:OS Reviews coming in :) - 13/07/14 03:31 AM

This. Lucious works for me. Unfortunately, Tanist, most of your feedback has been hate-fueled vitriol and you've not bothered to read any of my response, so I'm done replying to you. Have a great weekend.
Posted By: GamingTrend

Re: D:OS Reviews coming in :) - 13/07/14 03:33 AM

Clicks are pretty easy to come by. We don't need to throw out low reviews to do that. As I said before, if we botched this we'll fix it and I'll contact Metacritic and Gamerankings to have our review pulled until it hits where it should.
Posted By: LordCrash

Re: D:OS Reviews coming in :) - 13/07/14 03:45 AM

Originally Posted By: GamingTrend
Clicks are pretty easy to come by. We don't need to throw out low reviews to do that. As I said before, if we botched this we'll fix it and I'll contact Metacritic and Gamerankings to have our review pulled until it hits where it should.

Sounds very reasonable to me, thanks.
Posted By: GamingTrend

Re: D:OS Reviews coming in :) - 13/07/14 03:47 AM

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Unfortunately the initial response to your post was just rage and thus made your life realy easy to just dismiss it, so here goes something a little more elaborate.

The review in question was clearly made by a reviewer that is very sub-par in this kind of genre. When even my wife can play the game co-op with me witout me saying much in hints and then you have a "RPGer" reviewing the game and having more dificulty in the game it's a very clear sign something's wrong.
Normally not the case with Lucious. He really is a big RPG guy. Tired? Rushed? I don't know what all contributed to this. I'll admit that I'm saddened by the personal attacks though. People calling for his head on a pike, calling him an asshole, an idiot, a stupid fuck, etc. over a review. I guess people's personal feelings aren't important anymore. Gotta love the anonymity of the Internet.

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Another sign something's wrong is that you have a dozen prefessional reviews over 85 that praise the game and hundreds of user reviews stating over 9.0 average, when mostly all negatives are from people either playing pirated versions with unpatched bugs or people QQIng it's too hard, and then you give it 10 less points as the average. 10!
Our reviews will never, ever, take into account the reviews of others, be they professional or fan. That's not in any way a good representation of a product, nor does it represent the writers opinion on that point. That's a mob with pitchforks and torches.

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Another CLEAR sign you review was just made by a bad reviewer is that it clearly states larian released an incomplete game, wich is just absurd as i already ended it with no game-breaking bugs. Even more serious the reviewer criticizes larian for releasing too early and having major bugs and already pachting the game twice when you you gave Diablo 3 a 90!!!!!! a game that was impossible to play for a full week !!!!!!
You said it yourself - patches. We received the game well in advance of release, and well in advance of those patches. Perhaps Lucious ran into bugs that were fixed before you had access to the game? I'll find out. I'm not sure where you are going with my D3 review - it played flawlessly. We didn't have a single problem with the console version of D3. If you did, sorry. We didn't, so that's what we scored. Again, no mob score, but one that reflects the experience I had. In the case of this review, I'm going to get to the bottom of what Lucious saw and we'll take appropriate action to shore up or re-review the game, as appropriate.


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"and many quests went ignored because I had no idea where to find the characters to drive them forward"
Yes, it's called reading dialog and paying attention to hints. What is this? a 12 year old playing an RPG after playing Diablo?
Sorry - not going to respond to personal attacks.

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"How do I craft an item? Stumble over a recipe book or drag a few random items over one another in your inventory and maybe you値l get something"
He's not even trying. Realy, it was a rushed review. There are soooo many recipies in the world that he mentioning "stumbing" means he didnt play the game more than a couple hours. And yes, you can randomly try to combine items but recipies will tell you everything you need to know.
Haven't played the game, but it sounds like he didn't find it as intuitive as you.

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" Now you must decide if you want your archer to stay near the back of the formation, where their exceptional accuracy but low health (because there are only so many points to go around) will be most effective in combat, or lead the group, where they can quickly locate potential dangers but be much more vulnerable."
What ? this makes no sense at all. What you "lead" outside of combat is diferent from the combat formations, i bet the reviewer didnt even notice the battle formation button.
Don't know, but I'm not happy with the combat descriptions in the review - I'd like to see a lot more info on classes and formations. It's one of the things we'll fix.

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I'm realy sorry but this review was a half-baked-sorry-excuse of a review. No mention of the good points of the game because it's clearly a review made by someone that has no clue how to play and didnt go far into the game nor didnt have time to experiment and explore solutions.
There are quite a few references to the good points in the game. There is even a section outlining a few of them labeled "Pros".

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I'm realy sorry but i can't take your review site as serious after this review. I'm not trying to be a fanboy defending "larian honor", i'm just realy trying to understand if it was just a poorly made review from your reviewer, or you are "fishing" for page-hits based on this score.
So you are judging the entire site based on one single review out of over 2000 reviews and over a decade in this industry? Now who's unfairly judging?

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Hopefuly you as an editor in chief will be wise enough to understand it's a bad review. Hell even if you gave the game a 90 it would still be a bad review. Poor texted, poor depth, poor explanations of how the game works, etc. It's a review worth it for an amateur third grade local newspaper. If you say you want to growth this is realy not the way to do it m8.
I'll take appropriate actions, but I'll point out that you are criticizing somebody for their work while your own reply is littered with personal attacks. It's a little hard to take constructive criticisms that way.

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Good luck in your "review of the review".
Appreciate that. It's pretty much ruined my weekend thus far hearing some of the awful things people have had to say about a really good guy who just wanted to talk about videogames. I've dealt with this a few times, but I suspect he'll probably end up quitting over this, despite any objections to the contrary. But hey, it's the Internet.
Posted By: LordCrash

Re: D:OS Reviews coming in :) - 13/07/14 03:56 AM

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You said it yourself - patches. We received the game well in advance of release, and well in advance of those patches.

That cannot be true. There were no review copies for anyone before release. I know that 100%. Don't tell us any BS here. Larian weren't even ready with the game until literally an hour before release...

If your reviewer played/reviewed anything before release it could be only the early-access beta version which in no way qualifies for a final release review.
Posted By: GamingTrend

Re: D:OS Reviews coming in :) - 13/07/14 04:08 AM

You do realize that we get copies of games well in advance of release, right? In this case, I went and checked the email date and it's the 30th - the day of release. There were bugs on release that were fixed over several patches, so I can't say that Lucious didn't have bugs to contend with if he started playing on the first day. There was a patch just today that fixed a dozen more bug items. To suggest anything else is just silly.
Posted By: LordCrash

Re: D:OS Reviews coming in :) - 13/07/14 04:10 AM

Originally Posted By: GamingTrend
You do realize that we get copies of games well in advance of release, right? In this case, I went and checked the email date and it's the 30th - the day of release. There were bugs on release that were fixed over several patches, so I can't say that Lucious didn't have bugs to contend with if he started playing on the first day. There was a patch just today that fixed a dozen more bug items. To suggest anything else is just silly.

Well, in that case I was correct, wasn't I? If he got the game at release day (June 30th) he couldn't play it in advance of the release. I know quite well that in many cases the press gets review codes a while before release but not in this particular case... wink

I just wanted to make that clear to avoid misunderstandings. That doesn't mean that he couldn't encounter bugs during his playthrough. No game is bug free and there is a reason why Larian constantly release updates for the game.
Posted By: MindlessAutomata

Re: D:OS Reviews coming in :) - 13/07/14 04:14 AM

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Normally not the case with Lucious. He really is a big RPG guy. Tired? Rushed? I don't know what all contributed to this. I'll admit that I'm saddened by the personal attacks though. People calling for his head on a pike, calling him an asshole, an idiot, a stupid fuck, etc. over a review. I guess people's personal feelings aren't important anymore. Gotta love the anonymity of the Internet.


Can you link to the previous RPGs he has reviewed?

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Our reviews will never, ever, take into account the reviews of others, be they professional or fan. That's not in any way a good representation of a product, nor does it represent the writers opinion on that point. That's a mob with pitchforks and torches.


That is good. I will admit, I think the review is garbage myself, but pulling a review because people don't like your opinion is bad form. On the same token, though, the review has inaccuracies and light details of such a nature that the review really is poor quality. I've seen a few good reviews of this game that are pretty poor too.

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You said it yourself - patches. We received the game well in advance of release, and well in advance of those patches. Perhaps Lucious ran into bugs that were fixed before you had access to the game? I'll find out. I'm not sure where you are going with my D3 review - it played flawlessly. We didn't have a single problem with the console version of D3. If you did, sorry. We didn't, so that's what we scored. Again, no mob score, but one that reflects the experience I had. In the case of this review, I'm going to get to the bottom of what Lucious saw and we'll take appropriate action to shore up or re-review the game, as appropriate.


Hard to say, since the review is rather light on details, eh?

As for D3, I didn't play it, but I do remember people talking about it:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Diablo_III#Marketing_and_release

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Sorry - not going to respond to personal attacks.


That's hardly a biting personal attack. If the text was skimmed, and it caused him to have difficulty questing, that's hardly a criticism you cannot ignore. You said this guy likes RPGs--they tend to be text heavy, and in this game most of the details are are in the text. The game does have some problems with not telling you some things--some of them are in the manual however. It's fair for him to bring this up, but it's not so severe that it renders the game impossible to play. Missing the fact that the alt key shows items is both in the manual and is covered in the tutorial he mentions, so his criticism about not being able to find items is pretty clearly a sign of skimming since the point it MENTIONS that is a case where you need to find the key to open a chest!

It's funny how you can dish it out to me, but can't take it. Preserved for posterity:

http://i.imgur.com/OR0N0kj.png

You guys must really pride yourselves on professionalism.

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Haven't played the game, but it sounds like he didn't find it as intuitive as you.

Dude, he wrote in the review that he knows it's about combining items. That's all there is to it. The game intentionally just does not tell you to combine X and Y to get Z, it's inferred from the recipe guides. It doesn't say "Combine knife and log to get stake," it would, for example, have a short paragraph in the crafting book on how you can use knives to carve logs into a stake. There's no basic list of things to combine in-game. That's why he couldn't find it "intuitive," because it's more reading. And it is largely obvious. Potion crafting is literally just dragging together and herb and a pot. It's EASIER than crafting in the Witcher series. The game just doesn't tell you explicitly what X and Y lead to until you try the combination (in which case it will tell you the result and how many of them you want to make). How do you make a larger health potion? Drag a stack of smaller health potions across another stack. I can't stand crafting in most games, but it's so brain-dead simple in this one that I do.


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I'll take appropriate actions, but I'll point out that you are criticizing somebody for their work while your own reply is littered with personal attacks. It's a little hard to take constructive criticisms that way.


http://i.imgur.com/OR0N0kj.png
Posted By: MindlessAutomata

Re: D:OS Reviews coming in :) - 13/07/14 04:17 AM

Unless he played it in early access. In either case, if he reviewed based on that, prior to release, it's strange to see this in the review:

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Game is still very buggy for a final release at a Double-A price.


Since they apparently didn't run into bugs on Diablo 3, they didn't include it in the review--so what's this review doing mentioning bugs that apparently were from research after playing it? (and there are some bugs out there, some bad, most relatively minor, that cannot be denied, but nothing really uncommon from a AA cRPG on release; it's not like NWN or NWN2 were flawless upon its release, far from it).
Posted By: KnightPT

Re: D:OS Reviews coming in :) - 13/07/14 04:18 AM

Originally Posted By: GamingTrend
Appreciate that. It's pretty much ruined my weekend thus far hearing some of the awful things people have had to say about a really good guy who just wanted to talk about videogames. I've dealt with this a few times, but I suspect he'll probably end up quitting over this, despite any objections to the contrary. But hey, it's the Internet.



I don't understand what being a good guy has to do with being professional in a review that is seen by thousands of people and will probably make some people not buying the game when you say "but that really might not be a risk an average buyer will want to take". We are talking about potential sales lost mainly due to a bad review made by a guy who was either realy realy tired or realy, i don't know.

I also understand that you want to defend him no matter what, it's a commendable action from your part and i do the same with my reviewers (not PC gamming tough, Motorcycles as a side information), but sometimes we just need to understand that our actions move a huge amount of people (and money) and thus we need to be professional and spot-on perfect even in a "small review".

Our actions matter, we need to understand that our opinions online are realy much more than "a guy talking about videogames", and if we can't take the pressure nor the time required to make something well made, then it's probably better not to do it at all.

Again, i'm criticizing the quality of the review (lack of), not exactly the score. I also understand the poor usease of pictures, it was lazy, but completely excusable, sometimes time is scarse and shortcuts are made.

ALso: "We received the game well in advance of release".

I'm sorry but AFAIK larian didnt send out review copies because the game was being made up to the last few days before the 30th June, wich means that your reviewer played the beta version of the game, or a preview code that was not finished, or he played the final version after the 30th June, but most patches were done up to the 3rd July so... i'm kinda confused here and not sure what version he played. But probably it's not relevant to this conversation i guess, because all other reviewers played the same version and even tough all mention some minor bugs, it seems your reviewer was the only one (and another one in a lowish score i think) that state the game is probably not worth buying for that price due to being imcomplete with bugs... oh man, this is so wrong, unfair, biased and untrue that it boils my heart.

Anyways, i'm not going to keep arguing with you. You already mentioned that you will review what was done and that you already have your weekend destroyed, i don't want to be responsible for making you even more upset, i'm not that mean.

I genuinely hope you can make the review fair and true. Don't change the score if you don't think it's needed, but at least provide more depth and arguments to the criticism in it. Good luck
Posted By: GamingTrend

Re: D:OS Reviews coming in :) - 13/07/14 05:04 AM

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Can you link to the previous RPGs he has reviewed?
You can click on anyone's name on the site and see all reviews, news, videos, interviews, or anything else they've written or contributed to. We are transparent. Dig as much as you'd like.

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That is good. I will admit, I think the review is garbage myself, but pulling a review because people don't like your opinion is bad form. On the same token, though, the review has inaccuracies and light details of such a nature that the review really is poor quality. I've seen a few good reviews of this game that are pretty poor too.
The fun part is that I've got folks here saying "don't pull the review" and I've got folks on Steam accusing us of baiting for clicks by leaving the review up. Damned if you do, damned if you don't.

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As for D3, I didn't play it, but I do remember people talking about it:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Diablo_III#Marketing_and_release[quote]That'd be for the PC release. The review you linked is the console release. The console version launched pretty flawlessly.

[quote]That's hardly a biting personal attack. If the text was skimmed, and it caused him to have difficulty questing, that's hardly a criticism you cannot ignore. You said this guy likes RPGs--they tend to be text heavy, and in this game most of the details are are in the text. The game does have some problems with not telling you some things--some of them are in the manual however. It's fair for him to bring this up, but it's not so severe that it renders the game impossible to play. Missing the fact that the alt key shows items is both in the manual and is covered in the tutorial he mentions, so his criticism about not being able to find items is pretty clearly a sign of skimming since the point it MENTIONS that is a case where you need to find the key to open a chest!
Most modern RPGs are not heavily text based. I imagine that there will be a lot of reviews that cite this as a negative. Whether those reviews are positive or negative remain to be seen. In all cases, they are that person's opinion.
Posted By: GamingTrend

Re: D:OS Reviews coming in :) - 13/07/14 05:06 AM

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Since they apparently didn't run into bugs on Diablo 3, they didn't include it in the review--so what's this review doing mentioning bugs that apparently were from research after playing it? (and there are some bugs out there, some bad, most relatively minor, that cannot be denied, but nothing really uncommon from a AA cRPG on release; it's not like NWN or NWN2 were flawless upon its release, far from it).
No, I didn't run into a single bug in Diablo III for the console. Not one through two plays through with four characters. So no, I didn't mention anything in the review about bugs. Lucious ran into bugs in this game, minor or otherwise. Just because it's a cRPG doesn't mean it gets a free pass.
Posted By: GamingTrend

Re: D:OS Reviews coming in :) - 13/07/14 05:11 AM

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I don't understand what being a good guy has to do with being professional in a review that is seen by thousands of people and will probably make some people not buying the game when you say "but that really might not be a risk an average buyer will want to take". We are talking about potential sales lost mainly due to a bad review made by a guy who was either realy realy tired or realy, i don't know.
Nothing. It's just sad to see people pile onto a good dude, regardless of the circumstances.

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I also understand that you want to defend him no matter what, it's a commendable action from your part and i do the same with my reviewers (not PC gamming tough, Motorcycles as a side information), but sometimes we just need to understand that our actions move a huge amount of people (and money) and thus we need to be professional and spot-on perfect even in a "small review".
Completely agreed. I don't want to defend it if it's wrong through. I'm a disabled vet, so I ride a Can-Am Spyder motorcycle. Now ya really hate me? wink

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Again, i'm criticizing the quality of the review (lack of), not exactly the score. I also understand the poor usease of pictures, it was lazy, but completely excusable, sometimes time is scarse and shortcuts are made.
Yep. I think that was a factor here to some degree. We'll do better in the future.

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ALso: "We received the game well in advance of release".

I'm sorry but AFAIK larian didnt send out review copies because the game was being made up to the last few days before the 30th June, wich means that your reviewer played the beta version of the game, or a preview code that was not finished, or he played the final version after the 30th June, but most patches were done up to the 3rd July so... i'm kinda confused here and not sure what version he played. But probably it's not relevant to this conversation i guess, because all other reviewers played the same version and even tough all mention some minor bugs, it seems your reviewer was the only one (and another one in a lowish score i think) that state the game is probably not worth buying for that price due to being imcomplete with bugs... oh man, this is so wrong, unfair, biased and untrue that it boils my heart.
I looked it up (sorry, bouncing between threads) and we did receive it on the 30th. We just ran into bugs with the retail launch before they were patched I suppose. We don't review beta products as final though - you are right, that's not how you conduct good business.

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Anyways, i'm not going to keep arguing with you. You already mentioned that you will review what was done and that you already have your weekend destroyed, i don't want to be responsible for making you even more upset, i'm not that mean.

I genuinely hope you can make the review fair and true. Don't change the score if you don't think it's needed, but at least provide more depth and arguments to the criticism in it. Good luck
I appreciate that. We'll be making a decision shortly now that I've had a chance to really talk it over with my editor. I promise we'll make it right though.
Posted By: Garod

Re: D:OS Reviews coming in :) - 13/07/14 05:18 AM

Originally Posted By: GamingTrend
Clicks are pretty easy to come by. We don't need to throw out low reviews to do that. As I said before, if we botched this we'll fix it and I'll contact Metacritic and Gamerankings to have our review pulled until it hits where it should.


Thanks for that, as you can see there are allot of people here passionate about the game.
I do want to thank you for actually taking the time and posting here and in my book you get a browny point for that.

I hope you can understand that we've seen a number of reviews now which have used beta information or where we clearly see that the reviewer didn't really play the game enough to provide a factual review and that's why tempers flare high sometime.

I really hope that you will take the time to play this game, it's a great game and lots of fun.
A fact-filled and informative review of this game is really only possible if you've put a good amount of time into playing this game. It's really not something you can play for 10-20h and then have a good understanding of.

P.S. you said you are old and busy my wife and I are both 40's work full time (well more than full time) jobs so only get to play this game seriously on the weekends and we aren't struggling too badly with finding this etc. Also my wife isn't a big gamer and we are having zero problems with any difficulty on normal.
Posted By: GamingTrend

Re: D:OS Reviews coming in :) - 13/07/14 05:26 AM

Here we go with the "Damned if you do, Damned if you don't!" portion of this bit of "fun". We are going to pull down the review and spend some more time on it. Given the length of this title, probably a few weeks to ensure we do it justice. Right after I post this I'll be reaching out to Metacritic and Gamerankings via email so our review won't affect the overall score. We also have a few more folks on staff who have the game as well - we'll test every aspect.

I'll apologize on behalf of Lucious and of the site. We didn't hit the high bar that we hope to with our reviews here. In the end, I think we've done the right thing by addressing it directly. Hopefully we can redeem ourselves when we post our revision.
Posted By: GamingTrend

Re: D:OS Reviews coming in :) - 13/07/14 05:30 AM

Originally Posted By: Garod
[quote=GamingTrend]Clicks are pretty easy to come by. We don't need to throw out low reviews to do that. As I said before, if we botched this we'll fix it and I'll contact Metacritic and Gamerankings to have our review pulled until it hits where it should.


Thanks for that, as you can see there are allot of people here passionate about the game.
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I do want to thank you for actually taking the time and posting here and in my book you get a browny point for that.

I hope you can understand that we've seen a number of reviews now which have used beta information or where we clearly see that the reviewer didn't really play the game enough to provide a factual review and that's why tempers flare high sometime.
Totally understood. I felt just as angry when I saw reviews for the recent SimCity. It was a travesty at launch, but people based their review on the non-public review servers. We saw what happened at retail. I appreciate the passion.

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I really hope that you will take the time to play this game, it's a great game and lots of fun.
A fact-filled and informative review of this game is really only possible if you've put a good amount of time into playing this game. It's really not something you can play for 10-20h and then have a good understanding of.
That's part of the reason why we chose to pull the review. Lucious put in quite a few hours, but just like games in the Suikoden series, you need to get quite a few hours in to have touched on everything.

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P.S. you said you are old and busy my wife and I are both 40's work full time (well more than full time) jobs so only get to play this game seriously on the weekends and we aren't struggling too badly with finding this etc. Also my wife isn't a big gamer and we are having zero problems with any difficulty on normal.
I'm joking. I just turned 38 a few days ago. I game pretty much every day (or at least every day when I'm not doing stuff like this 0_0 ) I picked up the game and I'm eager to take it for a spin myself.
Posted By: LordCrash

Re: D:OS Reviews coming in :) - 13/07/14 05:31 AM

Originally Posted By: GamingTrend
Here we go with the "Damned if you do, Damned if you don't!" portion of this bit of "fun". We are going to pull down the review and spend some more time on it. Given the length of this title, probably a few weeks to ensure we do it justice. Right after I post this I'll be reaching out to Metacritic and Gamerankings via email so our review won't affect the overall score. We also have a few more folks on staff who have the game as well - we'll test every aspect.

I'll apologize on behalf of Lucious and of the site. We didn't hit the high bar that we hope to with our reviews here. In the end, I think we've done the right thing by addressing it directly. Hopefully we can redeem ourselves when we post our revision.

Appreciated and your engagement and open communication with us both here and on the Steam froums honours you.

I hope you not only play the game to re-review it but also to enjoy it a bit... wink
Posted By: GamingTrend

Re: D:OS Reviews coming in :) - 13/07/14 05:33 AM

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I hope you not only play the game to re-review it but also to enjoy it a bit... wink
Are you kidding? Big Box old school RPGs back to Ultima 1 and Zork all the way! I still remember spinning that code wheel to not have the Umber Hulk wreck my party in that pyramid in Pools of Radiance. This game was on my to-do list long before this, I just had other stuff to tackle and couldn't do the review myself. smile
Posted By: LordCrash

Re: D:OS Reviews coming in :) - 13/07/14 05:45 AM

Originally Posted By: GamingTrend
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I hope you not only play the game to re-review it but also to enjoy it a bit... wink
Are you kidding? Big Box old school RPGs back to Ultima 1 and Zork all the way! I still remember spinning that code wheel to not have the Umber Hulk wreck my party in that pyramid in Pools of Radiance. This game was on my to-do list long before this, I just had other stuff to tackle and couldn't do the review myself. smile

Haha, then have some great fun. smile
Posted By: Garod

Re: D:OS Reviews coming in :) - 13/07/14 06:06 AM

Definitely hope you and Lucious have fun playing the game some more and that reviewing the game hasn't soured the experience for you. In the end games are made to be played and to have fun in them, and I'd hate to think that because of flared tempers it would ruin the experience of playing this game for anyone.

Anyhow thanks again for coming by and actually posting and also owning up to things.
Posted By: Garod

Re: D:OS Reviews coming in :) - 13/07/14 06:36 AM

p.s.s GamingTrend at least your review wasn't as bad as this one...

Score: 8.8
http://pressplaynews.wordpress.com/2014/07/12/divinity-original-sin-review-pc/

Look at screenshots, and the completely superficial way in which the game was described really makes me wonder if this reviewer even played the game... Diablo reference, seriously?

"The story puts two heroes amidst an uprising of orcs which threatens the free people of Rivellon by using not just their sheer strength but also an arsenal of dark magic"

Really....


Score 7.5
http://business.financialpost.com/2014/0...__lsa=0a6a-9f1f

Thinks that Larian is looking down at players with a "knowitall" attitude because they made the game hard.... (not going to state the obvious irony that this is posted on a business news website)
I would venture Larian thought they'd make it a bit harder so people can live up to their potential and aren't treated like lazy idiots.
Posted By: Kriss

Re: D:OS Reviews coming in :) - 13/07/14 06:59 AM

Originally Posted By: GamingTrend
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Since they apparently didn't run into bugs on Diablo 3, they didn't include it in the review--so what's this review doing mentioning bugs that apparently were from research after playing it? (and there are some bugs out there, some bad, most relatively minor, that cannot be denied, but nothing really uncommon from a AA cRPG on release; it's not like NWN or NWN2 were flawless upon its release, far from it).
No, I didn't run into a single bug in Diablo III for the console. Not one through two plays through with four characters. So no, I didn't mention anything in the review about bugs. Lucious ran into bugs in this game, minor or otherwise. Just because it's a cRPG doesn't mean it gets a free pass.


Ahem, if you're review of Diablo 3 (ostensibly a PC game) is going to be based on a version which came out one year and four months after the actual release on the main platform - PC. Maybe you should take down your review of Original Sin, and have someone actually play through the whole game at around autumn 2015, you know, so that you actually treat games equally and fairly.

Oh, also I noticed you gave Mass Effect 3 a 99, one of the most unpolished major RPG releases in history, one which was also ridden with many times the bugs of Original Sin, oh I also noticed that review was quite a lot longer than the Original Sin one, despite the fact that Mass Effect 3 includes less content, and not a single one of the terrible flaws (not just the ending) was mentioned in it. Sounds like marketing $$$ played a part in that review, or you guys just have extremely lax quality standards on who reviews and game and how he goes about it.

Look, I don't usually care too much about reviews, 90% of modern reviews are by players who don't know what a video games is and give more points the easier and more linear a game is, handholding = good (as was implied in your Original Sin review), and they give polished AAA turds high scores, because that's what you do or they got paid to do so (like The Escapists 100 review of Dragon Age 2).

Have someone, who knows what a cRPG is, sit down and play through Divinity Original Sin (preferably in co-op), start to finish this time and then you'll have a review, which could be described as non-faux.

If you're gonna give Mass Effect 3, a game that was so low quality for it's budget, with missing assets and assets of abysmal quality, character retcons all over the place, which also straight out was lied about (your choices would matter), that's ridden with hundreds of minor to medium bugs a 99, calling it one of the closest to perfection games ever, then Divinity Original Sin must be divine ambrosia worth at least a 220, at least it respects the player enough to let him play the video game, but I guess that's not what makes a good game, according to your review staff.

Also you gave Fallout 3 a 94, and gave New Vegas an 86, even though it was quantifiably better in every category, while also being nearly twice as large in scope and content, while providing content of higher quality at the same time, I haven't read your reviews of either, but I will be doing that later today, look forward to seeing how you AGAIN gave the AAA hamburger a higher score, than the actual video game.
Posted By: Kordac

Re: D:OS Reviews coming in :) - 13/07/14 07:51 AM

There is absolutely no doubt in my mind that if an identical game was released by Bioware it would have a metacritic in the mid 90s and hailed as a glorious return to CRPG roots.

Dragon Age 2 has an 82 ffs, I don't think it's an awful game but it's a 7/10 at the most if I ever saw it.

Personally I have lost all faith in the gaming press, the games buying public aren't their customer, it's the advertisers who are. Any time a big AAA title with lots of advertising gets released the gaming press hype it up and they will generally get glowing reviews regardless of quality.

There are different standards applied to smaller studios when the games are being reviewed. Not one of the big reviews I read mentioned Mass Effect 3's ending yet deducted points from The Witcher 2 for it's ending. People are criticising D:OS's inventory, perhaps rightly so, but how many complaints about Skyrim's inventory did you see? New Vegas was slaughtered because of bugs yet Fallout 3 got a free pass.

I have no problem with games being marked down for these issues, they should be, but only if the same standards are applied to all games which they clearly aren't.
Posted By: kozzy

Re: D:OS Reviews coming in :) - 13/07/14 10:01 AM

Very well handled GamingTrend with taking the review down until it gets some work (Everyone makes mistakes, owning up to them and fixing them is where true colors are shown). As others on here, the steam forums and other places have said, its not the score that bothers most people just some of the things written inside the review. Still, I must say well handled, when I sent an email I did not expect this to get dealt with, well done addressing it quickly!
Posted By: DukeMcFishy

Re: D:OS Reviews coming in :) - 13/07/14 10:15 AM

I said it already on the Steam forums to you GamingTrend but I just wanted to say it again.

Yes we are passionate about the game and maybe a little bit defensive about D:OS when we see that the review contain some major flaws. It shows great character to show up here in the lions den and on Steam and have an open conversation about it.

Respect for that. thankyou
Posted By: Tanist

Re: D:OS Reviews coming in :) - 13/07/14 12:15 PM

Originally Posted By: LordCrash
Originally Posted By: Tanist
Originally Posted By: GamingTrend
http://www.metacritic.com/game/pc/divinity-original-sin
http://www.gamerankings.com/pc/672174-divinity-original-sin/index.html

Looks like mid 80s.

"You sir are completely full of shit. " Thanks for the well-reasoned and clearly erudite response. I'll make sure I log that in the appropriate bin.


"but you go and score it a 75? REALLY?" - Before I respond to this, you DO realize that reviews are subjective right? Not every person will like every thing. I like Blade Runner. Most people do. Some people find it to be absolutely terrible. It doesn't make them, to use your parlance, "Full of shit".

"Pathetic. Send your reviewer back to Burger King." - Thanks for your valuable feedback.


Funny how some low reviews can drop a score right? You scored lower than the fraud panned review, so don't act as if you were somehow being reasonable.

This is all subjective, but when you pass out 90's for games that are commonly known as garbage, and then pan this game, it shows extreme ignorance to this title.

The fact that you have users here trying to educate you on your own job? /sigh

Sir, if you worked for me, you would be fired.

I think you misunderstood him. He's not the guy who did the review...


I know, but he keeps defending it. He represents the journal and by proxy the reviews his site provides. It would be fine if he would have fully admitted the review was extremely poor and stopped there. He didn't though, he began to defend the score, the review, etc...
Posted By: Kriss

Re: D:OS Reviews coming in :) - 13/07/14 02:53 PM

Originally Posted By: Tanist

I know, but he keeps defending it. He represents the journal and by proxy the reviews his site provides. It would be fine if he would have fully admitted the review was extremely poor and stopped there. He didn't though, he began to defend the score, the review, etc...

People defend things when they are too scared to accept the flaws in them, and judging by the other reviews on the site - 1.5 years late D3 review is somehow fair to the 3 weeks after release review of Original Sin, 99 for Mass Effect 3, Fallout 3 having a higher score than New Vegas (laughable), I'd say this website has no credibility and they have exactly 0 quality control of their reviews.

Offtopic:
Their Fallout 3 reviews is filled with lies, blatant lies out the backend. Their New Vegas review is a broken snippet of text that makes little sense. I smell SHILL in the air.
(seriously, look at this, Yikes, my eyes! indeed)
Click to reveal..
Posted By: LordCrash

Re: D:OS Reviews coming in :) - 13/07/14 04:14 PM

Originally Posted By: Kriss

Oh, also I noticed you gave Mass Effect 3 a 99, one of the most unpolished major RPG releases in history, one which was also ridden with many times the bugs of Original Sin, oh I also noticed that review was quite a lot longer than the Original Sin one, despite the fact that Mass Effect 3 includes less content, and not a single one of the terrible flaws (not just the ending) was mentioned in it. Sounds like marketing $$$ played a part in that review, or you guys just have extremely lax quality standards on who reviews and game and how he goes about it.

Dude, relax and get off your high RPGcodex delince horse...

There are people who like Mass Effect 3. Personally, I love Mass Effect 3. And before you ask, no, I don't care whether it's a good RPG and I don't care if its features where sufficient to even be called RPG. It was a great game which offered a lot of fun and entertaining, ending included.

The review of D:OS on Gaming Trend had obvious flaws because it both stated some just plain wrong facts (like price, features, very old screenshots,..) and the reviewer refuses to review core elements of the game at all (like co-op mode). None of these "technical" failures are apparent in the Mass Effect 3 review. Also the Mass Effect 3 review was done by another person so the comparison is bollocks. You can argue that a score of 99 is stupid in general but then all the 10s from users on metacritic are stupid as well (and even then you have to give reasonable arguments why you think so). Imo it's perfectly valid to give a game a "perfect" score if you really like/love it and if you think that the entertainment value is so good that minor flaws doesn't cloud the overall picture over all (minor, non-game breaking bugs included). You might disagree with various points in a review and of course with the final verdict and score based on your own tastes and expectations for Mass Effect 3 but that doesn't make your opinion more valid or more correct than any other opinion, the one from the Gaming Trend reviewer included. H might be a Mass Effect fan, someone who exactly likes the experience which this game offered. So what? Apparently people expect the same for D:OS, that only fans of old-school isometric party RPG should review the game and that everyone else doesn't have enough information to do it properly. I can agree with that, since it's in fact better or needed that the reviewer at least has an affinity for the type of game he is going to review. But that doesn't mean that he has to believe in some dogmatic and bigotted "decline vs incline" philosophy...

On top of that the owner of Gaming Trend alredy stated here that they changed their review policies recently in order to use the full scale instead of only the 7-10 range like some sites like IGN for example. That makes every comparion to "old" review scores pretty much pointless in general.

About the D3 review: every review is a product of time, taste and expectation. There is nothing wrong with making a late review. If I play a game and make review of it on Steam, I don't care whether it was released yesterday or 10 years ago. I make a review based on my personal tastes and expectations at a certain given time. Reviews are also not about fairness, it's not a tournament in which only the best reviewed game can win a prize. A review is a work of critique that tries to evaluate the value of a product at a certain time. It's not the fault for Gaming Trend or other websites that comparison sites like metacritic are unable to offer a differentiated review scale based on time. It's the flawed metacritic philosophy which is the problem here, not "late" or "early" reviews.
Posted By: Kriss

Re: D:OS Reviews coming in :) - 13/07/14 04:32 PM

Originally Posted By: LordCrash
Originally Posted By: Kriss

Oh, also I noticed you gave Mass Effect 3 a 99, one of the most unpolished major RPG releases in history, one which was also ridden with many times the bugs of Original Sin, oh I also noticed that review was quite a lot longer than the Original Sin one, despite the fact that Mass Effect 3 includes less content, and not a single one of the terrible flaws (not just the ending) was mentioned in it. Sounds like marketing $$$ played a part in that review, or you guys just have extremely lax quality standards on who reviews and game and how he goes about it.

Dude, relax and get off your high RPGcodex delince horse...

There are people who like Mass Effect 3. Personally, I love Mass Effect 3. And before you ask, no, I don't care whether it's a good RPG and I don't care if its features where sufficient to even be called RPG. It was a great game which offered a lot of fun and entertaining, ending included.

The review of D:OS on Gaming Trend had obvious flaws because it both stated some just plain wrong facts (like price, features, very old screenshots,..) and the reviewer refuses to review core elements of the game at all (like co-op mode). None of these "technical" failures are apparent in the Mass Effect 3 review. Also the Mass Effect 3 review was done by another person so the comparison is bollocks. You can argue that a score of 99 is stupid in general but then all the 10s from users on metacritic are stupid as well (and even then you have to give reasonable arguments why you think so). Imo it's perfectly valid to give a game a "perfect" score if you really like/love it and if you think that the entertainment value is so good that minor flaws doesn't cloud the overall picture over all (minor, non-game breaking bugs included). You might disagree with various points in a review and of course with the final verdict and score based on your own tastes and expectations for Mass Effect 3 but that doesn't make your opinion more valid or more correct than any other opinion, the one from the Gaming Trend reviewer included. H might be a Mass Effect fan, someone who exactly likes the experience which this game offered. So what? Apparently people expect the same for D:OS, that only fans of old-school isometric party RPG should review the game and that everyone else doesn't have enough information to do it properly. I can agree with that, since it's in fact better or needed that the reviewer at least has an affinity for the type of game he is going to review. But that doesn't mean that he has to believe in some dogmatic and bigotted "decline vs incline" philosophy...

On top of that the owner of Gaming Trend alredy stated here that they changed their review policies recently in order to use the full scale instead of only the 7-10 range like some sites like IGN for example. That makes every comparion to "old" review scores pretty much pointless in general.

About the D3 review: every review is a product of time, taste and expectation. There is nothing wrong with making a late review. If I play a game and make review of it on Steam, I don't care whether it was released yesterday or 10 years ago. I make a review based on my personal tastes and expectations at a certain given time. Reviews are also not about fairness, it's not a tournament in which only the best reviewed game can win a prize. A review is a work of critique that tries to evaluate the value of a product at a certain time. It's not the fault for Gaming Trend or other websites that comparison sites like metacritic are unable to offer a differentiated review scale based on time. It's the flawed metacritic philosophy which is the problem here, not "late" or "early" reviews.


1) Like Mass Effect 3 all you want, but objectively speaking it's not a 99/100 game or RPG.
2) Yeah, they wouldn't be apparent in a shill review.
3) The fact that they were done by different people doesn't matter at all, reviews have to carry some air of objectivity, reviewing something means to critique it, not to just post if you like it or not.
4) "The everything is an opinion argument"
I wish people who use this argument were never allowed on the internet. No, in fact a lot of things carry objective value such as plot structure, gameplay elements, graphics, environmental diversity, encounter design etc. Games can and should be judged comparatively, as objectively as possible by critical individuals, otherwise there is no difference between a professional review, and someone's Tumblr page.
5) An affinity isn't needed, a familiarity with the genre, it's conventions and understanding what fans of the genre like and expect is needed.
6) They changed their policies, ok, so their old reviews won't be changed to reflect this, even for high profile games? Talk about a lack of journalistic integrity.
7) I agree, there is nothing wrong with a late review, but when your reviews go up on metacritic, which you know full well has influence in the industry it means you should strive to judge games fairly, after all, review scores serve a purpose, that is to compare games, because they aren't isolated, they exist in an industry and the only way of knowing if game X is better than Y is to play and judge for yourself, or in an ideal world have actual critics, and not teenagers who can't even be objective about anything.
8) I agree, meta critic should never have the influence it does, but it has it, and if reviewers continue to ignore it, and continue shilling for that all important marketing $$$, the industry will never change. Luckily kickstarter came along and several experienced development studios managed to get funding to make video games, not committee designed hamburgers like Mass Effect 3.
Posted By: MindlessAutomata

Re: D:OS Reviews coming in :) - 13/07/14 04:53 PM

Originally Posted By: GamingTrend
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Since they apparently didn't run into bugs on Diablo 3, they didn't include it in the review--so what's this review doing mentioning bugs that apparently were from research after playing it? (and there are some bugs out there, some bad, most relatively minor, that cannot be denied, but nothing really uncommon from a AA cRPG on release; it's not like NWN or NWN2 were flawless upon its release, far from it).
No, I didn't run into a single bug in Diablo III for the console. Not one through two plays through with four characters. So no, I didn't mention anything in the review about bugs. Lucious ran into bugs in this game, minor or otherwise. Just because it's a cRPG doesn't mean it gets a free pass.


Doesn't answer my question. If your reviews don't factor in bugs you don't find while playing them, why is the review mentioning bugs that Lucious didn't find? I don't actually have a problem with that at all, and in fact, I think all reviews should mention if other people are having trouble, but that's contrary to how you claimed you guys do things. You know what I said but chose to answer a different question instead.

Guys, before you start praising this guy's character, you should have seen his attitude on the steam forums. He was quick to chastise people here for "personal attacks" when it wasn't more than criticism, then chose to attack me (and others) on the steam forums and told me how appropriate my username is, etc, then giving a smarmy apology with "woe is me" self-crucifixion crap.

He's here because, quite simply, he got pissed off at everyone making noise about it.

Posted By: Kriss

Re: D:OS Reviews coming in :) - 13/07/14 04:56 PM

Originally Posted By: MindlessAutomata
Originally Posted By: GamingTrend
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Since they apparently didn't run into bugs on Diablo 3, they didn't include it in the review--so what's this review doing mentioning bugs that apparently were from research after playing it? (and there are some bugs out there, some bad, most relatively minor, that cannot be denied, but nothing really uncommon from a AA cRPG on release; it's not like NWN or NWN2 were flawless upon its release, far from it).
No, I didn't run into a single bug in Diablo III for the console. Not one through two plays through with four characters. So no, I didn't mention anything in the review about bugs. Lucious ran into bugs in this game, minor or otherwise. Just because it's a cRPG doesn't mean it gets a free pass.


Doesn't answer my question. If your reviews don't factor in bugs you don't find while playing them, while is the review mentioning bugs that Lucious didn't find? You know what I said but chose to answer a different question instead.

Guys, before you start praising this guy's character, you should have seen his attitude on the steam forums. He was quick to chastise people here for "personal attacks" when it wasn't more than criticism, then chose to attack me on the steam forums and told me how appropriate my username is, etc.

He's here because, quite simply, he got pissed off at everyone making noise about it.

Post screengrabs of the posts on the Steam forum please. I look through a lot of their reviews and the practices of this publication are no different to those of IGN and other AAA-shill-centric publications.
Posted By: MindlessAutomata

Re: D:OS Reviews coming in :) - 13/07/14 04:59 PM

I did on the last page when he was taking about people personally attacking him here:

http://i.imgur.com/OR0N0kj.png

Yes, my opinion and suspicions are rather harsh, but we've seen that behavior all before, and if he is a "professional" as he claims to be his attitude there... would not be the attitude he adopted.

I don't have time to pull up his "I am being victimized" posts.
Posted By: LordCrash

Re: D:OS Reviews coming in :) - 13/07/14 05:04 PM

Originally Posted By: Kriss

1) Like Mass Effect 3 all you want, but objectively speaking it's not a 99/100 game or RPG.

There is no objectivity in reviewing a game. As I said before, I couldn't care less whether it's even an RPG or not. It's not the purpose or goal of a review to evaluate whether a game is an RPG or part of any othr genre or not. You can come to the conclusion that Mass Effect 3 is a great game but not a great RPG. So what? Devalueing it because it's not a great RPG and the game has to be a great RPG no matter if it's just a fun and entertaining game? Ahem, no...

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2) Yeah, they wouldn't be apparent in a shill review.

What wouldn't be apparent?

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3) The fact that they were done by different people doesn't matter at all, reviews have to carry some air of objectivity, reviewing something means to critique it, not to just post if you like it or not.

No, not at all. Reviews are pure subjectivity. They can list features but ANY evaluation whether they are fun alone or as a package is just the opinion of a single reviewer.

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4) "The everything is an opinion argument"
I wish people who use this argument were never allowed on the internet. No, in fact a lot of things carry objective value such as plot structure, gameplay elements, graphics, environmental diversity, encounter design etc. Games can and should be judged comparatively, as objectively as possible by critical individuals, otherwise there is no difference between a professional review, and someone's Tumblr page.

Games are more than a list of features, that's what you have to understand. A game can have a great list of features which all sound great on paper. That doesn't matter much if the game just doesn't make any fun. And the opposite can be true as well: there are games that sound only meh on paper but once you play them you are engaged and entertained, sometimes just because ONE feature is done right in such a good way that you personally enjoy a game. That is - sorry - highly subjective, whether you want to accept that or not. The only reason to compare games is to give an interested reader a better impression of how a game could play or function but there is no reason at all to compare games each other based on scores or verdicts (which are bollocks after all).

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5) An affinity isn't needed, a familiarity with the genre, it's conventions and understanding what fans of the genre like and expect is needed.

A review is not there to checkt whether expactations of fans are met or not. That's not even possible since each individual person can have very different expactation when it comes to games.

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6) They changed their policies, ok, so their old reviews won't be changed to reflect this, even for high profile games? Talk about a lack of journalistic integrity.

You can make everything bad if you want to. But acknowledging that you maybe made a mistake in the past by using a "flawed" scale for your reviews should be ignored if they played by your books? Is it better to stick to a flawed scale for reviews just to keep the "journalistic integrity". No not at all, because journalistic integrity is exactly the opposite. It's a sign of journalistic ingerity if you are honest about your own mistakes and try to actively improve on them.

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7) I agree, there is nothing wrong with a late review, but when your reviews go up on metacritic, which you know full well has influence in the industry it means you should strive to judge games fairly, after all, review scores serve a purpose, that is to compare games, because they aren't isolated, they exist in an industry and the only way of knowing if game X is better than Y is to play and judge for yourself, or in an ideal world have actual critics, and not teenagers who can't even be objective about anything.

How is that not fairly? If they reviewed D3 at releast the game might have gotten a lower score which might have attracted less people to the game. But apparently they enjoyed the game a lot a few months after release. So why not giving it a high score? A late high score "upgrades" the metacritic score but only at a late time which is exactly how it actually should be. The problem is the other way round. Low initial scores based on problems with games just after release can be outdated sooon. But then again that's the fault of both metacritic AND the developers who released buggy games. It's not the task of the gaming press to reward for endeavours. That would be a truly dishonest take on reviews.

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8) I agree, meta critic should never have the influence it does, but it has it, and if reviewers continue to ignore it, and continue shilling for that all important marketing $$$, the industry will never change. Luckily kickstarter came along and several experienced development studios managed to get funding to make video games, not committee designed hamburgers like Mass Effect 3.

There is nothing wrong with hamburgers...

Reviewers don't ignore metacritic, not at all. But you want them to ignore their own journalistic integrity or their own opinion just to have an impact on a metacritic average to give somebody "a message"? You just want them to agree on your dogmatic view that modern games are crap (just because you don't like them) and old-school games are great (because you like them). That's not how reviewing works and that has nothing to do with metacritic.



@Mindless Automata
You were not harsh, you were just rude and offensive (I read the whole Steam topic). You can call yourself lucky that he even answered you at all with the behaviour you've shown there....
Posted By: Kriss

Re: D:OS Reviews coming in :) - 13/07/14 05:23 PM

Originally Posted By: LordCrash
*snip*

Are you at any point going to have an argument apart from "everything is an opinion and all reviews should always be subjective and objectivity is a lie".
Because, according to you, reviews are completely meaningless and worthless, also you misunderstood half of what I wrote, due maybe in part to the way I wrote it, regardless, honest question, are you at any point going to own to the fact that things are quantifiable and if reviewers ignore this, they are shit at their job.

Or should I simply leave the thread and save myself the hassle?
Click to reveal..
also yes, when a game is compromised in order to appeal to the lowest common denominator, it is generally of lesser quality, than when it is kept high quality for the sake or artistry and respect for the consumer
Posted By: Hiver

Re: D:OS Reviews coming in :) - 13/07/14 05:41 PM

Originally Posted By: LordCrash

There is no objectivity in reviewing a game.

hahaha

Mass market dronism at its best and most obvious.

Originally Posted By: Kriss
Originally Posted By: LordCrash
*snip*

Are you at any point going to have an argument apart from "everything is an opinion and all reviews should always be subjective and objectivity is a lie".
Because, according to you, reviews are completely meaningless and worthless, also you misunderstood half of what I wrote, due maybe in part to the way I wrote it, regardless, honest question, are you at any point going to own to the fact that things are quantifiable and if reviewers ignore this, they are shit at their job.

Or should I simply leave the thread and save myself the hassle?
Click to reveal..
also yes, when a game is compromised in order to appeal to the lowest common denominator, it is generally of lesser quality, than when it is kept high quality for the sake or artistry and respect for the consumer


word.

Same as in everything really. Not just games.
Posted By: Kriss

Re: D:OS Reviews coming in :) - 13/07/14 05:51 PM

Originally Posted By: Hiver

word.

Same as in everything really. Not just games.

Yup, sad thing indeed, you know we live in a fucked up world when critic means marketer and where the main bulk of consumers of a given form of media are completely braindead, spineless drones.
Posted By: LordofBones

Re: D:OS Reviews coming in :) - 13/07/14 05:55 PM

This whole crusade against anyone who doesn't rate the game higher than 8/10 is rather jarring.
Posted By: Jito463

Re: D:OS Reviews coming in :) - 13/07/14 05:57 PM

While some do seem to be arguing that point, others are simply disagreeing with the integrity/quality of a review, not so much the score they give (not to say those two don't necessarily go hand-in-hand).
Posted By: GamingTrend

Re: D:OS Reviews coming in :) - 13/07/14 05:58 PM

Cross-posted from Steam:

Well, I have bad news. Metacritic is refusing to pull the review. They have the aforementioned long-standing policy that somebody pasted in earlier that flat out refuses to pull a review, even in the case of a mistake. When we publish our updated review it'll reflect the appropriate score, but Metacritic will continue to punish Larian. I've reached out to Metacritic, but I sincerely doubt that it'll change anything.

I accept full responsibility for this and have already reached out to the team with my apologies. We will do whatever we can to make it right on our end, and we will tighten up our safeguards to prevent this from happening in the future.

Thanks to the folks who recognize that we are trying to do the right thing.
Posted By: Tanist

Re: D:OS Reviews coming in :) - 13/07/14 06:06 PM

Originally Posted By: LordofBones
This whole crusade against anyone who doesn't rate the game higher than 8/10 is rather jarring.


After all of the detailed points that have been made in this thread as to why people are upset with the reviews, you seriously are going to claim that?
Posted By: LordCrash

Re: D:OS Reviews coming in :) - 13/07/14 06:23 PM

Originally Posted By: Kriss
Originally Posted By: LordCrash
*snip*

Are you at any point going to have an argument apart from "everything is an opinion and all reviews should always be subjective and objectivity is a lie".

No, because that's what a review is at its core. Of course it can and should offer insight in the mechanics of a game (that's why I said that there can be "technical failures" in a review based on a wrong presentation of features or facts) and what is offered in a game. But the final verdict of a review - which is quantified in a score - , the question whether a game is fun or not regardless of all its mechanics, elements and genre conventions is a pure subjective assessment. So you can even criticise a game like Mass Effect 3 a lot for features you don't like or you think could be improved but that doesn't necessarily change the overall enjoyment you have while playing the game.

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Because, according to you, reviews are completely meaningless and worthless,

If you think that the opinion of other people is in general completely meaningless and worthless, then yes, indeed. But in fact the "value" of a review is that you probably know the preferences and tastes of the given reviewer and therefore you can evaluate whether your own entertainment might coincidence with the entertainment of the reviewer or not.

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also you misunderstood half of what I wrote, due maybe in part to the way I wrote it,

I love generalizations...

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regardless, honest question, are you at any point going to own to the fact that things are quantifiable and if reviewers ignore this, they are shit at their job.

They are shit at their job if they think a game review is the same thing as a product review and that's it. Like every other medium a video game is a work of art that can appeal to someone or not. It's not a product that "has to work" in a certain predefined way. There are "broken features" which mean that they don't work like intended. Mass Effect 3 doesn't even have one such feature tbh.

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Or should I simply leave the thread and save myself the hassle?

Maybe you should. Nothing I could say will change your mind anyway I guess.

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also yes, when a game is compromised in order to appeal to the lowest common denominator, it is generally of lesser quality, than when it is kept high quality for the sake or artistry and respect for the consumer

There is a risk indeed. You can nevertheless enjoy such a "mainstream" game and give it a high score if it's exactly what you want to play. There is nothing wrong with that.
Posted By: Kriss

Re: D:OS Reviews coming in :) - 13/07/14 06:48 PM

Originally Posted By: LordCrash
There is a risk indeed. You can nevertheless enjoy such a "mainstream" game and give it a high score if it's exactly what you want to play. There is nothing wrong with that.

There is a lot wrong with that, to an extreme (mainstream games generally have payed reviews), when you give a game which was compromised in order to appeal a high score, and you give a game which has actual thought put into it's design and respects the player as someone with a functional brain a low score.
Do I really have to explain this to someone? Reviews dictate public opinion, 90% of all reviews are purchased marketing, those that aren't are generally given much lower scores, despite the objective superior aspects of the genuine game.
Given that reviews dictate public opinion, they also dictate the perception of publishers which have a role to fund games, they will refuse to fund games with lower scores, because the public doesn't like them as much, because the reviews aren't as glowing.
So we get less good games, this is why the industry was nearly creatively dead up until kickstarter shined a light of hope on us, which was promptly tarnished due to scammers, which made the internet collectively go "lol kickstarter game, must be a scam".
Cause and effect chief, start living in the real world.
Posted By: LordCrash

Re: D:OS Reviews coming in :) - 13/07/14 06:54 PM

Originally Posted By: Kriss
Originally Posted By: LordCrash
There is a risk indeed. You can nevertheless enjoy such a "mainstream" game and give it a high score if it's exactly what you want to play. There is nothing wrong with that.

There is a lot wrong with that, to an extreme (mainstream games generally have payed reviews), when you give a game which was compromised in order to appeal a high score

"Compromised"? Offering a certain set of features is not compromising anything, it's just offering a certain set of features. Just because you don't like a certain set of features doesn't make it objectively wrong. Just stop trying to push your opinion about ME3 or other games on everyone, like everyone had to hate these games just because you decided so.

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Reviews dictate public opinion, 90% of all reviews are purchased marketing

Stopped reading there. I don't think our discussion makes any sense anymore. Discussions with conspiracist are imo pointless in general, sry. Believe whatever you want to believe. You're entertaining but only to a certain extend, so let's stop here.
Posted By: Kriss

Re: D:OS Reviews coming in :) - 13/07/14 06:56 PM

Originally Posted By: LordCrash

"Compromised"? Offering a different set of features is not compromising anything, it's just offering a different set of features.
No, removing features is compromising, simplifying the gameplay in order to appeal to more and more brainless consumers is compromising.

[quote=LordCrash]
Stopped reading there. I don't think our discussion makes any sense anymore. Discussions with conspiracist are imo pointless in general, sry. Believe whatever you want to believe, I won't stop you.

If you think that that was tin foil talk, you must be completely ignorant of the real world buddy.
Posted By: LordCrash

Re: D:OS Reviews coming in :) - 13/07/14 06:57 PM

Originally Posted By: Kriss

If you think that that was tin foil talk, you must be completely ignorant of the real world buddy.

I could say the same about you (even though I don't know what "fin foil talk" is). But it's pointless anyway.
Posted By: Kriss

Re: D:OS Reviews coming in :) - 13/07/14 07:00 PM

Originally Posted By: LordCrash
Originally Posted By: Kriss

If you think that that was tin foil talk, you must be completely ignorant of the real world buddy.

I could say the same about you (even though I don't know what "fin foil talk" is). But it's pointless anyway.

No, seriously, do you not understand how businesses work?
Posted By: Jito463

Re: D:OS Reviews coming in :) - 13/07/14 07:02 PM

Tin foil = conspiracy nuts.

Posted By: slimgrin

Re: D:OS Reviews coming in :) - 13/07/14 07:03 PM

Wow, what a clusterfuck. O_O

At least the folks at Gaming Trend are trying to make it up. I didn't read the review, anyone have a link? Pretty retarded Metacritic won't pull the score. It's a flawed site anyway and it's a shame the industry treats it like the gold standard.
Posted By: LordCrash

Re: D:OS Reviews coming in :) - 13/07/14 07:07 PM

Originally Posted By: Kriss
Originally Posted By: LordCrash
Originally Posted By: Kriss

If you think that that was tin foil talk, you must be completely ignorant of the real world buddy.

I could say the same about you (even though I don't know what "fin foil talk" is). But it's pointless anyway.

No, seriously, do you not understand how businesses work?

No, do YOU not understand what I'm actually talking about? Why do you still bothering me after you clearly presented yourself as some conspirasist? I don't discuss with conspirasist in general since it's pointless and neverending.

If you're not able to talk about the topic at hand (the nature of a video game review) there is not even a theoretical point in continuing this discussion. Try to missionize somebody else, please, whom you can impress with your theories about decline and conspiracy (I suggest RPGcodex if you want to find a lot of likeminded people). I'm tired of that crap...


But just for your information: I've studied business. I know exactly how it works.
Posted By: LordCrash

Re: D:OS Reviews coming in :) - 13/07/14 07:08 PM

Originally Posted By: slimgrin
Wow, what a clusterfuck. O_O

At least the folks at Gaming Trend are trying to make it up. I didn't read the review, anyone have a link? Pretty retarded Metacritic won't pull the score. It's a flawed site anyway and it's a shame the industry treats it like the gold standard.


Well, it's not only the industry. Customers/gamers use metacritic and it's mainly their "fault". It's their demand for an "average score" that drives this site. Without people clicking on metacritic every day it wouldn't have much significance... wink
Posted By: Kriss

Re: D:OS Reviews coming in :) - 13/07/14 07:10 PM

Originally Posted By: LordCrash
Originally Posted By: Kriss
Originally Posted By: LordCrash
Originally Posted By: Kriss

If you think that that was tin foil talk, you must be completely ignorant of the real world buddy.

I could say the same about you (even though I don't know what "fin foil talk" is). But it's pointless anyway.

No, seriously, do you not understand how businesses work?

No, do YOU not understand what I'm actually talking about? Why do you still bothering me after you clearly presented yourself as some conspirasist? I don't discuss with conspirasist in general since it's pointless and neverending.

If you're not able to talk about the topic at hand (the nature of a video game review) there is not even a theoretical point in continuing this discussion. Try to missionize somebody else, please, whom you can impress with your theories about decline and conspiracy (I suggest RPGcodex if you want to find a lot of likeminded people). I'm tired of that crap...


But just for your information: I've studied business. I know exactly how it works.

Obviously not, because you're suggesting that a common practice in the entertainment industry, intended to drive sales up, known to drive sales up and that can easily be observed (firing someone for a bad review of a game you're displaying ads for, giving a known bad game good reviews while displaying ads for it, reviewers getting free stuff non-stop, Dorito Pope, etc.) is some conspiracy talk.
Common business practices in the entertainment industry are conspiracy talk... This is some of the most ignorant stuff I've read online, and I've been to reddit, abandoning thread, have a nice day.
Posted By: LordCrash

Re: D:OS Reviews coming in :) - 13/07/14 07:21 PM

Originally Posted By: Kriss

Obviously not, because you're suggesting that a common practice in the entertainment industry, intended to drive sales up, known to drive sales up and that can easily be observed (firing someone for a bad review of a game you're displaying ads for, giving a known bad game good reviews while displaying ads for it, reviewers getting free stuff non-stop, Dorito Pope, etc.) is some conspiracy talk.

1) Making a game in a certain way to make it more appealing to a broader audience has nothing to do with reviews but with sales.
2) Mass Effect 3 is NOT a "known bad game", that's only your opinion. If you want to be taken ANY serious stop trying to prevent as if your own opinion was some kind of fact. It's not. It's just your opinion and every other individual can have a different opinion which is equally valid.
3) Placing ads on a site doesn't mean that reviews are bought or influenced. That is just your speculation without any valid proof (=conspiracy) which is not only ignorant but also egocentric and just plain laughable. I know quite a few gaming journalist IN PERSON and I know that none of them would ever change or compromise a review to appease a publisher or the chief editor, no matter how many ads they have for the same game on their page and no matter how much they hyped the game before.
4) How do you explain a 9/10 for Diviniy: Original Sin from sites as GameInformer which are probably among the biggest "press drones" in the industry? Have EA forgotten to pay them this time to devalue other RPGs? Jesus, that is so childish, dude...
5) Haha, firing guys for reviews with a too bad score? I geuss you have MASSIVE examples for that and not only the one case you've preserved for the last ten years (if you have any at all). I know quite a bunch of guys in the industry which gave bad scores for big AAA games without being fired for it, not at all. But I got it: you like generelizations. Another sign of a conspiracist...

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This is some of the most ignorant stuff I've read online, and I've been to reddit, abandoning thread, have a nice day.

Would be better since you're obviously out or arguments. Like I said, you might find more applaus for your laughable theories on RPGcodex (or on Reddit I guess).
Posted By: Aasgaard

Re: D:OS Reviews coming in :) - 13/07/14 07:39 PM

Kriss. I've been writing reviews for a mayor site in my country for 11+ years and have _never_ been approached by publishers who wants to buy anything. I can write exactly what I want at any time. There have evidently been ugly situations with some sites, but calling the industry corrupt is just not in line with my experience. I actually doubt it's worse than any other industry. There will always be some bad eggs, but most reviewers are just gamers who happens to enjoy writing.
Posted By: Garod

Re: D:OS Reviews coming in :) - 13/07/14 10:31 PM

Guys can you take your battle to another post, this is a thread for posting reviews and taking a look at what's out there. Not one where a couple of people slug it out.

Thanks
Posted By: LordCrash

Re: D:OS Reviews coming in :) - 14/07/14 12:08 AM

Vandal online (Spanish): 9/10

www.vandal.net/analisis/pc/divinity-original-sin/16055
Posted By: LordCrash

Re: D:OS Reviews coming in :) - 14/07/14 06:16 PM

NOWGamer: 9/10

http://www.nowgamer.com/pc/pc-reviews/2477008/divinity_original_sin_review.html
Posted By: Garod

Re: D:OS Reviews coming in :) - 15/07/14 05:47 AM

5/5 stars
http://www.quartertothree.com/fp/2014/07/14/recipe-divinity-original-sin-humor-combat-audacity/


9.5
http://fronttowardsgamer.com/2014/07/14/divinity-original-sin-review/

8.5
http://www.cheatmasters.com/blog/2014/07/14/divinity-original-sin-review/
Posted By: Kordac

Re: D:OS Reviews coming in :) - 15/07/14 08:46 PM

9.0 from IGN of all places, I wasn't expecting that.
Posted By: LordCrash

Re: D:OS Reviews coming in :) - 15/07/14 09:04 PM

Wow, indeed!

http://www.ign.com/articles/2014/07/15/divinity-original-sin-review
Posted By: Garod

Re: D:OS Reviews coming in :) - 16/07/14 05:55 AM

Gamespot also has a roundup of the various reviews up here and are mentioning their review will be up soon.
http://www.gamespot.com/articles/divinity-original-sin-review-roundup/1100-6421145/

8/10
http://www.trustedreviews.com/divinity-original-sin_Games_review

4.5/5
http://www.hardcoregamer.com/2014/07/15/review-divinity-original-sin/93298/
Posted By: Garod

Re: D:OS Reviews coming in :) - 16/07/14 06:09 AM

Also kind of interesting is that Steam only has 1 and I mean a total of 1 negative "recommendation" on it smile
Posted By: tarasis

Re: D:OS Reviews coming in :) - 16/07/14 10:21 AM

Maybe every reviewer is being paid by Kickstarter, to prove that massive successes can come from there wink Particularly after the sort of fail that was Broken Age smile

Really its awesome to see this continue to shine, both in reviews and seemingly in sales.
Posted By: Kudos

Re: D:OS Reviews coming in :) - 16/07/14 11:59 AM

Originally Posted By: tarasis
Maybe every reviewer is being paid by Kickstarter, to prove that massive successes can come from there wink

Och, unnecessary, and too much like charity for a business :P

More likely the reviewers all realise they're missing an event the longer they remain ignorant of the game, or theres an inherent momentum to the release of a good game - especially when its got shock & surprise value due to the glorious lack of marketing smile

Didn't see a suggestions thread, and some Larian are possibly reading this, so gotta say.... consider building on this game engine laterally, the systems now are all great, keep them, add more, judging by how the game performs on my system theres room.

This game proves it's a fallacy we've often heard to excuse reduction of complexity in games... "we're not streamlining.... we're funlining."
Posted By: edrst10

Re: D:OS Reviews coming in :) - 16/07/14 01:04 PM

Originally Posted By: Kordac
9.0 from IGN of all places, I wasn't expecting that.


This caught me by surprise as well. Especially after seeing a video of them talking about upcoming RPGs two months ago, and when they got to D:OS, they where like "ummmm.....moving on...". So was pleasantly suprised by this.
Posted By: Styno

Re: D:OS Reviews coming in :) - 16/07/14 03:45 PM

http://killscreendaily.com/articles/speaking-inanimate-objects-divinity-original-sin/

the first -70 is a fact frown
Posted By: LordCrash

Re: D:OS Reviews coming in :) - 16/07/14 04:59 PM

Originally Posted By: Garod
Also kind of interesting is that Steam only has 1 and I mean a total of 1 negative "recommendation" on it smile

You mean user reviews? That's actually not true. There are a lot of negative reviews on Steam althought the percentage is REALLY small in general (4% of the total number right now)... wink



Something Awful review: 10/10

http://www.somethingawful.com/video-game-article/divinity-original-sin/
Posted By: Garod

Re: D:OS Reviews coming in :) - 16/07/14 05:08 PM

It's actually a 68..

Looking at some other reviews he wrote on the site he's not really an RPG fan.
Also he's clearly not done any homework on this game. How anyone can say there is no demand for this game and no one asked for it clearly didn't notice the 1m raised in KS and the top sellers list of Steam. Simply hated the game and bashed it giving flimsy arguments and trying to be witty about it.
Posted By: LordCrash

Re: D:OS Reviews coming in :) - 16/07/14 05:11 PM



It's kind of weird that everyone who gave less than 80 so far was obviously unable or unwilling to understand or evaluate basic concepts of this game like the fact that the whole game is made for co-op.

It's pretty sad that obviously everyone can write trash on the internet today without even basic knowledge about the profession or the work ethics of the job...

Also this review is just snarky and edgy because of no apparent reason other than the reviewer feeling superior to the game he writes about. The only purpose of this review is to present the author as some kind of "cool author" who thinks that he is so good that he could write about pop culture instead of the game he reviews. The whole review itself - what he actucally writes about the game - isn't clearly marked as his opinion. Actually he never really gives any own opinion. It's all about nice words without being spot on. Guys like that are ridiculous and their complacent and illusive stuff isn't worth to be read in the first place. Spare yourself the reading, you won't find anything new there apart from the petty attempt of the author to use nice words and witty writing for covering up a lacking review and for presenting himself as a superior person/writer...
Posted By: Garod

Re: D:OS Reviews coming in :) - 16/07/14 05:15 PM

LC It's probably also telling that there isn't a comments section under that review.. only thing you can do is comment on FB linking the article. Not going to give him the added publicity so won't do that.
Posted By: LordCrash

Re: D:OS Reviews coming in :) - 16/07/14 05:28 PM

You know I'm all in for subjective reviews/critics. But this piece of crap is just written in a that obnoxious and arrogant way that it's infuriating. It's not written as a "normal" and to the point review in which a reviewer gives his honest and direct opinion whether he personally thought the game was fun or not. It's written as witty and snarky as possible to give the reviewer some kind of artifical superiority with which he tries to eradicate his own subjectivity. This "review" (or should I say "bashing"?) is just plain awful to read and insulting to quite a lot of people, of course Larian but also everyone who likes the game (we, who we never demanded a game like that) . Unbearably arrogant, snarky and egocentric trash, that's what this review is. suspicion
Posted By: Creslin321

Re: D:OS Reviews coming in :) - 16/07/14 05:50 PM

Originally Posted By: LordCrash
You know I'm all in for subjective reviews/critics. But this piece of crap is just written in a that obnoxious and arrogant way that it's infuriating. It's not written as a "normal" and to the point review in which a reviewer gives his honest and direct opinion whether he personally thought the game was fun or not. It's written as witty and snarky as possible to give the reviewer some kind of artifical superiority with which he tries to eradicate his own subjectivity. This "review" (or should I say "bashing"?) is just plain awful to read and insulting to quite a lot of people, of course Larian but also everyone who likes the game (we, who we never demanded a game like that) . Unbearably arrogant, snarky and egocentric trash, that's what this review is. suspicion


Yeah completely agree, this review irritated me as well.

For him to say "no one asked for" the game, after many of have begged for a "classic" RPG game for a decade, is very annoying. He acts as if he alone knows what "all" gamers want, and Larian just went off and did their own thing, completely ignoring their audience.

Such BS.

It also annoys me because this review feeds into the "myth" that the "vast majority" of gamers want very linear, cinematic, hand-holding RPGs like Mass Effect 3 and DA2, as opposed to games like DOS.

That myth should be disproved by the sales that DOS has generated.
Posted By: LordCrash

Re: D:OS Reviews coming in :) - 16/07/14 06:08 PM

Dealspwn review: 9/10

http://www.dealspwn.com/divinity-original-sin-review-simply-divine-177358
Posted By: NightRayne

Re: D:OS Reviews coming in :) - 16/07/14 07:25 PM

Wow...that 68 review was basically the reviewer trying to be snarky and egotistic while oozing a personal vendetta against Larian. He really didn't even review the game as he was too busy trying to insult Larian themselves. I guess Larian forgot to send him free prostitutes and money under the table for a 95 review score...oh wait that's EA and the bunch.
Posted By: Nass

Re: D:OS Reviews coming in :) - 16/07/14 09:18 PM

Wow guys, could you please keep a sober tone? No need to call us paid off assholes. We're people too, with a genuine interest in games and game companies.

But anyways, here's my review. It's in danish, but a google translate can do wonders, if you're really interested:

http://dk.ign.com/divinity-original-sin-pc-1/59672/review/divinity-original-sin-anmeldelse#
Posted By: Knallfix

Re: D:OS Reviews coming in :) - 16/07/14 09:49 PM

Originally Posted By: Nass
Wow guys, could you please keep a sober tone? No need to call us paid off assholes. We're people too, with a genuine interest in games and game companies.

But anyways, here's my review. It's in danish, but a google translate can do wonders, if you're really interested:

http://dk.ign.com/divinity-original-sin-pc-1/59672/review/divinity-original-sin-anmeldelse#


But you are. You have to be the paid assholes to blame.
Makes (some) gamers life much easier.
Scores are bought, and anyone but me is a fanboy or worse, a corporate zombie lemming.
Posted By: LordCrash

Re: D:OS Reviews coming in :) - 16/07/14 09:58 PM

Originally Posted By: Nass
Wow guys, could you please keep a sober tone? No need to call us paid off assholes. We're people too, with a genuine interest in games and game companies.

But anyways, here's my review. It's in danish, but a google translate can do wonders, if you're really interested:

http://dk.ign.com/divinity-original-sin-pc-1/59672/review/divinity-original-sin-anmeldelse#

Wish I could read it...

Any I for once don't believe in this "all reviewers are paid off" bs.
Posted By: Nass

Re: D:OS Reviews coming in :) - 16/07/14 10:09 PM

Originally Posted By: LordCrash

Wish I could read it...

Any I for once don't believe in this "all reviewers are paid off" bs.


The very very short version is that it's the best RPG I have had the pleasure of in a long, long time. 9/10.

The slightly shorter (edit: longer), yet still short version is that it brings back what I enjoy about my definition of more classic RPGs, yet Larian could have enjoyed some pointers in user friendliness.

I want to make sure however, that you understand that I don't believe that user friendliness = lack of depth. No what we're missing are some more explanations of cause/effect in relation to character building, but also a more managable inventory. I, for one, was mighty confused when I found out Bully doesn't work on spells (It doesn't, does it?), even though it simply states all damage. Small stuff like that, that's annoying to have wasted a Trait on later, simply because of bad explanations.

My biggest gripe is with the Co-op dialogue system, but I have started getting used to it now, and I enjoy exhcanging dialogue with my friend over Skype.
Posted By: Nass

Re: D:OS Reviews coming in :) - 16/07/14 10:11 PM

Originally Posted By: Knallfix


But you are. You have to be the paid assholes to blame.
Makes (some) gamers life much easier.
Scores are bought, and anyone but me is a fanboy or worse, a corporate zombie lemming.


I guess you're right. It's a dirty job, but someone's gotta do it.
Posted By: LordCrash

Re: D:OS Reviews coming in :) - 16/07/14 10:12 PM

Originally Posted By: Nass
Originally Posted By: LordCrash

Wish I could read it...

Any I for once don't believe in this "all reviewers are paid off" bs.


The very very short version is that it's the best RPG I have had the pleasure of in a long, long time. 9/10.

The slightly shorter (edit: longer), yet still short version is that it brings back what I enjoy about my definition of more classic RPGs, yet Larian could have enjoyed some pointers in user friendliness.

I want to make sure however, that you understand that I don't believe that user friendliness = lack of depth. No what we're missing are some more explanations of cause/effect in relation to character building, but also a more managable inventory. I, for one, was mighty confused when I found out Bully doesn't work on spells (It doesn't, does it?), even though it simply states all damage. Small stuff like that, that's annoying to have wasted a Trait on later, simply because of bad explanations.

My biggest gripe is with the Co-op dialogue system, but I have started getting used to it now, and I enjoy exhcanging dialogue with my friend over Skype.

Sounds all reasonable to me. And I agree that some deep systems are not that clear like they should be. I mentioned the same for some other systems. It didn't bother my experience that much but it's nevertheless a bit lacking. But it's also something Larian might be able to fix or improve sooner or later.

Thanks for your answer. smile
Posted By: Nass

Re: D:OS Reviews coming in :) - 16/07/14 10:18 PM

Originally Posted By: LordCrash

Sounds all reasonable to me. And I agree that some deep systems are not that clear like they should be. I mentioned the same for some other systems. It didn't bother my experience that much but it's nevertheless a bit lacking. But it's also something Larian might be able to fix or improve sooner or later.

Thanks for your answer. smile


No problem.

And yes, as my friend told me when we were giggling like schoolgirls after a 10 hour session: "Imagine how much further this game could be taken with patches and the toolkit!"

And I agree.

If coop dialogue is fixed, and some of the tooltips are fleshed out along with a more extended toolkit.. Stuff like that would raise it from Great to Perfect.
Posted By: LordCrash

Re: D:OS Reviews coming in :) - 16/07/14 10:23 PM

Well, when we look at how much after-release support Larian already put into the game so far (and it's only two weeks after release) a lot of issues might be improved/fixed in the upcoming weeks, editor usability and stability included. This game can actually only become better over time and I have no doubts it will.
Posted By: NightRayne

Re: D:OS Reviews coming in :) - 16/07/14 10:38 PM

Originally Posted By: Nass
Wow guys, could you please keep a sober tone? No need to call us paid off assholes. We're people too, with a genuine interest in games and game companies.

But anyways, here's my review. It's in danish, but a google translate can do wonders, if you're really interested:

http://dk.ign.com/divinity-original-sin-pc-1/59672/review/divinity-original-sin-anmeldelse#


This isn't your forums though, but feel free to delete and edit your own forum if you don't like what you see. Also YES some review sites DO deserve to be harshly judge. For example:

1) the 68 review was basically full of blantant slander (reviewer claims nobody wants this game...when it had a very successful kickstarter and still the #1 best seller game on steam and GoG). Also he goes on a insult raid against Larian themselves. There is little context of the actual game itself and even then his complains are confusing and vague.

2) The CheatCC review was laughably based on a build over 7 months ago complete with alpha screenshots and severely outdated information. However, they passed it as a full game review. I believe they were doing it for the site hits - which realistically is a thing.


That being said, I do like your review as I can tell you actually went through the game a good ways and objectively discuss the faults (many which I share). I think those reviews are legit and should be more encouraged through the industry - which sadly is not the case currently. Scores don't exactly matter much to me personally as much as the actual context of the review itself.

Sorry to take a harsh tone (and don't take it personally), but gamers need to speak up against poor reviews where the reviewer obviously did not play the game or had a one minded track coming in to smear the game as much as they can.
Posted By: Nass

Re: D:OS Reviews coming in :) - 16/07/14 10:49 PM

Originally Posted By: NightRayne


This isn't your forums though, but feel free to delete and edit your own forum if you don't like what you see. Also YES some review sites DO deserve to be harshly judge. For example:

1) the 68 review was basically full of blantant slander (reviewer claims nobody wants this game...when it had a very successful kickstarter and still the #1 best seller game on steam and GoG). Also he goes on a insult raid against Larian themselves. There is little context of the actual game itself and even then his complains are confusing and vague.

2) The CheatCC review was laughably based on a build over 7 months ago complete with alpha screenshots and severely outdated information. However, they passed it as a full game review. I believe they were doing it for the site hits - which realistically is a thing.


That being said, I do like your review as I can tell you actually went through the game a good ways and objectively discuss the faults (many which I share). I think those reviews are legit and should be more encouraged through the industry - which sadly is not the case currently. Scores don't exactly matter much to me personally as much as the actual context of the review itself.

Sorry to take a harsh tone (and don't take it personally), but gamers need to speak up against poor reviews where the reviewer obviously did not play the game or had a one minded track coming in to smear the game as much as they can.


Well, first of all, me asking for a sober tone is not me trying to moderate these forums; it's common politeness. But this is the internet, I know.

While I agree with you, I need to point out that you need to separate your disagreements.

When I say "paid off", i'm referring to large companies paying off reviewers to get high scores.

What you're referring to is simply sloppy craftmansship and personal vendettas, which has nothing to do with being bought and paid - just keep that in mind, since we are speaking past one another, otherwise.

I wholeheartedly agree on objecting against poorly done reviews, 100%, as I love my craft and hate to see it slandered, but I can guarantee you that a harsh tone doesn't promote either a) healthy debates or b) your credibility. This is not just for you, this is for anyone wanting to be taken serious, ever.

But let's not drag this out (which tends to happen, again; internet), as I think we agree (in our delightful gamer hearts)!
Posted By: henryv

Re: D:OS Reviews coming in :) - 18/07/14 04:27 AM

Some 68 review came in. I was surprised there was no discussion about it. I scanned the review without really analyzing the sort, and I just laughed that it was being compared with Dragon Commander.
Posted By: Garod

Re: D:OS Reviews coming in :) - 18/07/14 05:00 AM

Frustrating review, but right score. This one looks like a translation of one we already saw which contained incorrect info, really old screenshots.. *sighs*

9/10
http://www.gamer.nl/review/497211/divinity-original-sin-voortreffelijke-rpg?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+gamerheadlines+(Gamer.nl+-+Headlines)
Posted By: Alka

Re: D:OS Reviews coming in :) - 18/07/14 11:28 AM

http://leadexample.net/reviews/divinity-original-sin-review 9,5/10

http://www.onlysp.com/divinity-original-sin-review/ 7,5/10
Posted By: NightRayne

Re: D:OS Reviews coming in :) - 18/07/14 12:21 PM

sooo many 90/100 lol. Glad this game is doing well more or less on the review front.
Posted By: henryv

Re: D:OS Reviews coming in :) - 19/07/14 12:14 AM

Originally Posted By: henryv
Some 68 review came in. I was surprised there was no discussion about it. I scanned the review without really analyzing the sort, and I just laughed that it was being compared with Dragon Commander.


Link below if you want it.

http://killscreendaily.com/articles/speaking-inanimate-objects-divinity-original-sin/

It is part of the metacritic score average. Thankfully the avergae critic score is still above 85s although user score is 90s with 800+ users voting on it.
Posted By: LordCrash

Re: D:OS Reviews coming in :) - 19/07/14 12:20 AM

Originally Posted By: henryv
Originally Posted By: henryv
Some 68 review came in. I was surprised there was no discussion about it. I scanned the review without really analyzing the sort, and I just laughed that it was being compared with Dragon Commander.


Link below if you want it.

http://killscreendaily.com/articles/speaking-inanimate-objects-divinity-original-sin/

It is part of the metacritic score average. Thankfully the avergae critic score is still above 85s although user score is 90s with 800+ users voting on it.

Was already posted and discussed that review a while ago here. wink
Posted By: henryv

Re: D:OS Reviews coming in :) - 19/07/14 12:28 AM

Originally Posted By: LordCrash
Originally Posted By: henryv
Originally Posted By: henryv
Some 68 review came in. I was surprised there was no discussion about it. I scanned the review without really analyzing the sort, and I just laughed that it was being compared with Dragon Commander.


Link below if you want it.

http://killscreendaily.com/articles/speaking-inanimate-objects-divinity-original-sin/

It is part of the metacritic score average. Thankfully the avergae critic score is still above 85s although user score is 90s with 800+ users voting on it.

Was already posted and discussed a while ago here. wink


Oh that's why my post was ignored despite the low score. thanks for informing me.
Posted By: KnightPT

Re: D:OS Reviews coming in :) - 19/07/14 02:45 AM

Proof that reviews are completely pointless and no one with an IQ over 50 should bother with them is that we have some "professional" reviews below 70 and others 95, even 100. Yes, i know that's why averages are there but it's realy ridiculous and unprofessional to see reviews so far from the average. If the games were to be reviewed with clean professional standards than the scores should be closer to the average, right? It's basicaly just personal tastes of people we don't know trying to seem "professional" and "experienced" wich is a full load of BS.

If reviews are informative and professional that we feel that personal tastes are puting aside and the journalist is being objective i can understand, but the industry is being flooded with "personal reviews" that serve no purpose.

Also for the love of god i can't understand users 100 or 10/10 scores, as i can't undersand 0 user reviews. It's just absurd to say the game is perfect or so bad that it doesnt even deserve 1 point.

Simply pointless system.From now on I'll make my own mind in any game i'm looking to purchage based on gameplay videos and ignore all reviews, thank you. Very disapointed with this whole review industry, it's realy way worse than i thought in the beggining.

Posted By: Garod

Re: D:OS Reviews coming in :) - 19/07/14 04:43 AM

Only partially agree with you there Knight,

You are right, every game review is going to be subjective and not objective. Enjoyment isn't really something which can be objectified as such they have to be subjective. Yes you can list game features in a sterile and objective way, but that's not what consumers are looking for.

What we as consumers can do is find a reviewer/editor who shares similar tastes than we do through games played and opinions shared. This will then give the consumer an idea on if he will like the game or not.

So yes there will be pointless reviews and editors you won't agree with out there. As such sites like Metacritic who collect allot of reviews and then average them provide more of a global overview how a game is perceived.

at least that's my opinion on the topic.
Posted By: Garod

Re: D:OS Reviews coming in :) - 19/07/14 05:11 AM

Oh and some more reviews:

9/10
(old screenshots again...)
http://www.eurogamer.nl/articles/2014-07-18-divinity-original-sin-review

8.7
http://de.ign.com/m/divinity-original-sin-pc/92118/review/review-zu-divinity-original-sin
Posted By: Garod

Re: D:OS Reviews coming in :) - 20/07/14 04:53 AM

GameSpot is finally out as well now
9/10 wooot
http://www.gamespot.com/reviews/divinity-original-sin-review/1900-6415819/

Gotten the full works too with writen and video review!
Posted By: Garod

Re: D:OS Reviews coming in :) - 20/07/14 05:13 AM

Oh another review here as well:

9/10
http://www.dualshockers.com/2014/07/19/review-divinity-original-sin-kicks-it-old-school/
Posted By: LordCrash

Re: D:OS Reviews coming in :) - 20/07/14 01:23 PM

Wow, now D:OS has a 9/10 from the four major international gaming press outlets:

IGN : 9/10
Gamespot: 9/10
GameInformer: 9/10
Eurogamer: 9/10

It's like mass media wanted to prove to Swen that they still enjoy a quality game and that they are far from being completely unimportant. Great job, Larian! smile
Posted By: Alka

Re: D:OS Reviews coming in :) - 20/07/14 03:01 PM

http://www.newgamenetwork.com/article/1124/divinity-original-sin-review/

71/100
Posted By: LordCrash

Re: D:OS Reviews coming in :) - 20/07/14 03:36 PM



Review done by casual player who missed his handholding and didn't appreciate that the way is important and not only the goal. Finding out stuff for yourself is part of the fun, and not a problem....
Posted By: Jito463

Re: D:OS Reviews coming in :) - 20/07/14 09:38 PM

Originally Posted By: LordCrash


Review done by casual player who missed his handholding and didn't appreciate that the way is important and not only the goal. Finding out stuff for yourself is part of the fun, and not a problem....


Agreed, and I think his score is too low, but at least it seems to be an honest appraisal of the game based on actually playing it. Gotta give him credit for that much, at least.
Posted By: LordCrash

Re: D:OS Reviews coming in :) - 21/07/14 06:00 PM

Games.cz (9/10):
http://games.tiscali.cz/recenze/divinity-original-sin-recenze-240631

IGN Italia (9/10):
http://it.ign.com/divinity-original-sin-pc-1/76917/review/divinity-original-sin
Posted By: Garod

Re: D:OS Reviews coming in :) - 22/07/14 05:00 AM

Here some more


4.5/5
http://www.denofgeek.us/games/divinity-original-sin/237500/divinity-original-sin-review

9.5
http://www.game-debate.com/articles/index.php?a_id=2563&game=Divinity%202:%20Original%20Sin

4.5/5
http://www.pcadvisor.co.uk/reviews/game/3531686/divinity-original-sin-review/


the trend continues with 9's which seems to be the majority vote.
Posted By: Alka

Re: D:OS Reviews coming in :) - 22/07/14 04:39 PM

http://reddoorbluekey.com/reviews/review...ty-original-sin

4/5
Posted By: LordCrash

Re: D:OS Reviews coming in :) - 31/07/14 04:06 PM

9.5/10 from Polygon: "NEXT TO GODLINESS" smile smile smile


http://www.polygon.com/2014/7/31/5954541/divinity-original-sin-review-pc-mac
Posted By: Knallfix

Re: D:OS Reviews coming in :) - 01/08/14 11:46 AM



Nothing to add, just loling the mother of lol. laugh
Quote:
... Veterans of the RPG genre will note that other developers have set these goals before, only to let fans down in the end. (I'll pause here to allow any gamers still scarred by Peter Molyneux's Fable hype to collect themselves.)
Posted By: LordCrash

Re: D:OS Reviews coming in :) - 01/08/14 05:01 PM

4/5 from Polygon:

http://www.joystiq.com/2014/08/01/divinity-original-sin-review-old-school-absolution/
Posted By: Jacob Marner

Re: D:OS Reviews coming in :) - 01/08/14 05:04 PM

The D:OS metacritic score just increased from 87 to 88. Gratz!

http://www.metacritic.com/game/pc/divinity-original-sin

Posted By: nyarlathotep

Re: D:OS Reviews coming in :) - 04/08/14 02:48 PM

Game of the month at gamespot, very good laugh

http://www.gamespot.com/videos/game-of-the-month-july-2014/2300-6420561/
Posted By: GamingTrend

Re: D:OS Reviews coming in :) - 12/08/14 08:11 PM

So....I hate to thread-necro but I did promise that we'd re-post our review once we did our re-review:

http://www.gamingtrend.com/reviews/blissful-purgatory-divinity-original-sin-review/

Thanks again for all of the constructive feedback, and we hope that this review hits a little closer to the mark.
Posted By: KnightPT

Re: D:OS Reviews coming in :) - 12/08/14 08:37 PM

Originally Posted By: GamingTrend
So....I hate to thread-necro but I did promise that we'd re-post our review once we did our re-review:

http://www.gamingtrend.com/reviews/blissful-purgatory-divinity-original-sin-review/

Thanks again for all of the constructive feedback, and we hope that this review hits a little closer to the mark.



Score aside, its a much better reasoned review. Has its praise on good things, explains them clearly, and has criticism that even though i dont necessarily agree, i can perfectly understand and say 'fair enough'.

Its subjective like most reviews, but actually wants to clearly explain the ideas of the reviewer. This is certainly a review anyone can read and understand how the game should feel but doesnt force a potential player to look away just because the reviewer just wanted to mindlessly bash the game due to ignorance and lack of time with it.

Thanks for setting the justice for everyone, fans, review site, customers, developers,, etc.
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