Everything that is wrong with the game

this feels very melodramatic

you can criticize a game in all of these ways, but it's weird to behave as though the developers came to your house and poured milk on your family just because some things weren't done to your liking

Originally Posted by miaasma

this feels very melodramatic

you can criticize a game in all of these ways, but it's weird to behave as though the developers came to your house and poured milk on your family just because some things weren't done to your liking

Well, it is somewhat angry, but the example of them coming out of the blue and pouring milk on his family is sillier. He probably spent full price for the game like the rest of us, and expected... more?

That being said, I do hope that some of these issues make it through to the dev team, Larien is a studio I hold dear because they make the games many do not. But if they continue on the path of simplifying mechanics and dumbing things down, they will become like any other game dev. If that ever happens, I will take my business elsewhere.

Originally Posted by miaasma

this feels very melodramatic

you can criticize a game in all of these ways, but it's weird to behave as though the developers came to your house and poured milk on your family just because some things weren't done to your liking

Typical fanboy hyperbolized comment to try to discredit critique, it is not gonna work with me.

After having endured many of your posts on this forum, Zherot, here are a few suggestions:

1.) Find another game to play. Judging from your posts on this forum it is very obvious that you really really hate this game, so maybe it's best for you to move on. Other fathers also have beautiful daughters.

2.) Learn how to mod. The things you keep hammering on with your posts on this forum can all be modded.

3.) Download some mods. Oups, why make it hard if it can be easy...modding yourself is too much work, right? So here's the the funny thing: Most of what you criticize has ALREADY been addressed by mods on the Workshop. Two weeks after launch! Lucky you.

4.) Go and make your own game. You probably won't do that, but this one would probably help you the most. Create your own game. If you do you will soon realize how much work and effort it takes to actually make something that has value to others. You will learn that you cannot please everyone, especially not the Zherots of this world.

5.) Go and see a psychiatrist. I don't want to be personal here, but many - actually most - of your posts contain insults, hatred or other forms of negativity. A lot of them look like this: "What I say is factually true and everyone who says otherwise is a stupid fanboy." Now it could theoretically be that you are right. However, there is also the possibility that you are just delusional and living in your own little world of sadness and misery. A good way to find out would be to see a psychiatrist.

Just some suggestions. Take them or leave them.

Originally Posted by Bokajon

After having endured many of your posts on this forum, Zherot, here are a few suggestions:

1.) Find another game to play. This suggestion is pretty simple: It is very obvious that you really hate this game, so maybe it's best for you to move on. Other fathers also have beautiful daughters.

2.) Learn how to mod. The things you keep hammering on with your posts on this forum can all be modded.

3.) Download some mods. Oups, why make it hard if it can be easy...modding yourself is too much work, right? So here's the the funny thing: Most of what you criticize has ALREADY been addressed by mods on the Workshop. Two weeks after launch! Lucky you.

4.) Go and make your own game. You probably won't do that, but this one would probably help you the most. Create your own game. If you do you will soon realize how much work and effort it takes to actually make something that has value to others. You will learn that you cannot please everyone, especially not the Zherots of this world.

5.) Go and see a psychiatrist. I don't want to be personal here, but many - actually most - of your posts contain insults, hatred or other forms of negativity. A lot of them look like this: "What I say is factually true and everyone who says otherwise is a stupid fanboy." Now it could theoretically be that you are right. However, there is also the possibility that you are just delusional and living in your own little world of sadness and misery. A good way to find out would be to see a psychiatrist.

Just some suggestions. Take them or leave them.

What a surprise another fanboy hyperbolized comment that ignore the argument and attack me directly.

Try again.

Guys. Discuss the matter politely and quit flaming each other. You know better than this and a couple of you are risking being uninvited if you don't stop with the attitude.

Originally Posted by HUcast

Originally Posted by miaasma

this feels very melodramatic

you can criticize a game in all of these ways, but it's weird to behave as though the developers came to your house and poured milk on your family just because some things weren't done to your liking

Well, it is somewhat angry, but the example of them coming out of the blue and pouring milk on his family is sillier. He probably spent full price for the game like the rest of us, and expected... more?

That being said, I do hope that some of these issues make it through to the dev team, Larien is a studio I hold dear because they make the games many do not. But if they continue on the path of simplifying mechanics and dumbing things down, they will become like any other game dev. If that ever happens, I will take my business elsewhere.

we all spent full price for the game and we all have our criticisms. it doesn't mean that the game is bad, or that people are "fanboys" for enjoying them despite its flaws. it also doesn't warrant this overly impassioned response

i understand being passionate about improving a game made by a developer you've grown to respect, but this thread's tone more frames these issues as a personal attack against a customer rather than design choices you don't appreciate. moreover, it reflects poorly on the thread creator when any and all criticism of his behaviour is met with hostile responses and accusations of bland fanboyism, and doesn't promote any kind of discussion

there are a lot of threads that i've read on this forum already which address all of these issues (and more) in ways that at the very least promote discussion from people who expect different things of a game like this. a thread like this in which everyone who disagrees or points out the latent hostility doesn't do this

Originally Posted by miaasma

we all spent full price for the game and we all have our criticisms. it doesn't mean that the game is bad, or that people are "fanboys" for enjoying them despite its flaws. it also doesn't warrant this overly impassioned response

i understand being passionate about improving a game made by a developer you've grown to respect, but this thread's tone more frames these issues as a personal attack against a customer rather than design choices you don't appreciate. moreover, it reflects poorly on the thread creator when any and all criticism of his behaviour is met with hostile responses and accusations of bland fanboyism, and doesn't promote any kind of discussion

there are a lot of threads that i've read on this forum already which address all of these issues (and more) in ways that at the very least promote discussion from people who expect different things of a game like this. a thread like this in which everyone who disagrees or points out the latent hostility doesn't do this

Spot on.

The game is fine and anything YOU consider not to be fine can be modded and was done already.

I think the game is great and the fact that I am finishing my second playthrough just emphasizes this, because I have tendency to not finish games, so anything I finish and twice moreso is great in my book.

As a side note, there seems to be quite a bit of unhealthy fixation mixed with insults to everyone around going on with OP. Not sure why.

Of that list,

1-Armor system.
2-Attributes are a husk of what they were.
4-AP limit.
5-Turn order.

Those are the items that stick out the most to me as changes I don't really care for. That being said, I don't find the D:OS2 unfun, I just prefer how D:OS handled these. I'd be happy if those items could all be fixed with a mod, even if the base game never changes back to D:OS style.

I know the AP cap can be changed, and I know that mods can remove armor. What I don't know is if the old percentage style CC effect system could be modded back in, nor if attributes can be changed so they have more similar bonuses to what we saw in D:OS1 (for example, is it possible to replicate how constitution used to raise maximum AP or implement speed which then would raise turn / recover AP?)

I'm pretty sure, based on what others have said, the initiative isn't moddable. It would be nice if that changed in a future update.

My commentary on what the OP said ...

The Armor system is a mixed bag, though the scaling is the biggest issue. I've been playing with the reduced bloat mod and armor feels a lot less frustrating.

The attribute system ... I will agree that they really made the stats boring. As to how to fix it, that's a big amount of debate.

The memory system isn't bad in and of itself. Many games only give you a limited number of "slots" for skills, which encourages you to think about which skills you want to actively use. Perhaps it could stand for some tweaks and adjustments, but that's ANY system.

The AP limit is a mixed bag of good and bad at the same time. Having a limited pool of points means you have to think about your actions and plan things out. I don't see this as a bad thing at all.

The round robin for initiative ... that I will agree was poorly thought out.

AI always cheats. Always. In every game. They always seem to know when one of your characters is weak. The AI in this game is actually better than AI I've seen in other games. I think the issue is more that they made Loremaster too powerful for inspecting enemies. If you want to suss out an enemy's weakness, it should be a skill that takes TIME in combat.

There being no Physical Resistance while there is Magic Resist is actually quite normal for games. Usually because Magic attacks are a lot stronger and you're encouraged to take advantage of low resistances. So its a mixed bag of good and bad at the same time.

I can't comment on money making or Source as I've only played the early part of the game, where I expect that money is going to be brutally hard to get hold of. And since I've only played the early part, I haven't gained access to source abilities yet. I've just been busy with other games and the like.

Overall, I've been enjoying the game. It's not horrible or broken. The areas where there ARE issues, there are mods or the devs have actually been working on fixing them. Some of the things modded should have been fixed before launch, but that's water under the bridge.

Originally Posted by miaasma

Originally Posted by HUcast

Originally Posted by miaasma

this feels very melodramatic

you can criticize a game in all of these ways, but it's weird to behave as though the developers came to your house and poured milk on your family just because some things weren't done to your liking

Well, it is somewhat angry, but the example of them coming out of the blue and pouring milk on his family is sillier. He probably spent full price for the game like the rest of us, and expected... more?

That being said, I do hope that some of these issues make it through to the dev team, Larien is a studio I hold dear because they make the games many do not. But if they continue on the path of simplifying mechanics and dumbing things down, they will become like any other game dev. If that ever happens, I will take my business elsewhere.

we all spent full price for the game and we all have our criticisms. it doesn't mean that the game is bad, or that people are "fanboys" for enjoying them despite its flaws. it also doesn't warrant this overly impassioned response

i understand being passionate about improving a game made by a developer you've grown to respect, but this thread's tone more frames these issues as a personal attack against a customer rather than design choices you don't appreciate. moreover, it reflects poorly on the thread creator when any and all criticism of his behaviour is met with hostile responses and accusations of bland fanboyism, and doesn't promote any kind of discussion

there are a lot of threads that i've read on this forum already which address all of these issues (and more) in ways that at the very least promote discussion from people who expect different things of a game like this. a thread like this in which everyone who disagrees or points out the latent hostility doesn't do this

I love when this people see stuff with one hand on their eyes so they only see what they want.

In no way in my post i made any personal attacks to anyone or the developers i made an honest list of everything that is wrong in the game and listed also many threads that support this list.

Then these people came and both tried to dismiss my post by using personal attacks and hyperbolized comments about what i said just like you are doing right now with your comment trying to make myself the agressor (which is false) but you don't say anything about the other people comments that came directly to attack myself instead of talking about the topic.

If you are not going to talk bout the topic but my persona then leave you are not welcome.

Originally Posted by Zherot

trying to make myself the agressor (which is false)

I just want to point out that this doesn't help your case:

Originally Posted by Zherot's Signature

Fanboy Killer.

That said, ever since the first time I saw you on the forums (I had given an honest assessment of how I view the game as it is, and you decided to reply with, and I quote, "AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAHAHA"), I've seen nothing but aggressive and negative rhetoric coming from you.

You really need to chill.

Originally Posted by KentDA

My commentary on what the OP said ...

The Armor system is a mixed bag, though the scaling is the biggest issue. I've been playing with the reduced bloat mod and armor feels a lot less frustrating.

The attribute system ... I will agree that they really made the stats boring. As to how to fix it, that's a big amount of debate.

The memory system isn't bad in and of itself. Many games only give you a limited number of "slots" for skills, which encourages you to think about which skills you want to actively use. Perhaps it could stand for some tweaks and adjustments, but that's ANY system.

The AP limit is a mixed bag of good and bad at the same time. Having a limited pool of points means you have to think about your actions and plan things out. I don't see this as a bad thing at all.

The round robin for initiative ... that I will agree was poorly thought out.

AI always cheats. Always. In every game. They always seem to know when one of your characters is weak. The AI in this game is actually better than AI I've seen in other games. I think the issue is more that they made Loremaster too powerful for inspecting enemies. If you want to suss out an enemy's weakness, it should be a skill that takes TIME in combat.

There being no Physical Resistance while there is Magic Resist is actually quite normal for games. Usually because Magic attacks are a lot stronger and you're encouraged to take advantage of low resistances. So its a mixed bag of good and bad at the same time.

I can't comment on money making or Source as I've only played the early part of the game, where I expect that money is going to be brutally hard to get hold of. And since I've only played the early part, I haven't gained access to source abilities yet. I've just been busy with other games and the like.

Overall, I've been enjoying the game. It's not horrible or broken. The areas where there ARE issues, there are mods or the devs have actually been working on fixing them. Some of the things modded should have been fixed before launch, but that's water under the bridge.

Memory system encouraging "thinking" is a falacy just like when people say the armor mechanic encourages "tactics", you know what people do when they don't have a skill equipped for the fight?, they reload and put the skill in the memory slot... there goes your thinking and your whatever, it is just crap.

Ap limit is just bad too, you will end up using the same stuff over and over and over again and you never feel progression in this manner making combat essentially the same from start to finish.

Youa re wrong on Phsycal too because armor it is used to mitigate physical attacks and in this game there is no armor in fact there is magical armor and resitances on top of that, magic is completely over nerfed in this game while psysical attackers get a free pass, the best party you can build in this game is full physical people.

Making money is terrible but you will see, and Source you will agree too when you find out that skills that were normally used in the first game now require source, remember meteor shower or any of those powerful magics?, they now requiere source, enjoy.

Originally Posted by Johnny_Devo

Originally Posted by Zherot

trying to make myself the agressor (which is false)

I just want to point out that this doesn't help your case:

Originally Posted by Zherot's Signature

Fanboy Killer.

That said, ever since the first time I saw you on the forums (I had given an honest assessment of how I view the game as it is, and you decided to reply with, and I quote, "AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAHAHA"), I've seen nothing but aggressive and negative rhetoric coming from you.

You really need to chill.

You can leave any time you want i will not answer and fall for your baiting.

There IS a form of physical resist. It's called dodge chance. I don't really like that it's chance based only, but it does exist and it does mitigate as much physical damage as magic resist does over the long run. Evasive Aura/Uncanny Evasion is downright overpowered even.

Of course, there are some undodgeable physical skills such as Battle Stomp, but I feel like that's more of a small oversight.

Originally Posted by Sotanaht

There IS a form of physical resist. It's called dodge chance.

You are trying too hard dude, please.

http://divinity.wikia.com/wiki/Defenses_(Divinity:_Original_Sin)

Originally Posted by Zherot

You can leave any time you want i will not answer and fall for your baiting.

Ah. I should have seen it sooner. You've all the makings of a forum troll. Picking something with even the slightest amount of controversy, latching aggressively to the side that "goes against the grain" as it were, insulting anyone who disagrees with you, and then accusing anyone who calls you out on it of doing the very thing you're doing.

Well played. Had me going for a bit.

Originally Posted by Zherot

Making money is terrible but you will see, and Source you will agree too when you find out that skills that were normally used in the first game now require source, remember meteor shower or any of those powerful magics?, they now requiere source, enjoy.

Money making is ridiculously easy and Source is great exactly because of what you said.

In D:OS1 I was spamming those Meteor Showers like no tomorrow for how powerful it was.

In my opinion spells of this caliber is simply not something you are supposed to use on every pack of rag tag bandits and shit and Source acting as a limiter accomplishes that fine, IMO.

On the matter of physical being the thing, I think it's because of scaling with weapons, which should be tamed a bit, things do start getting out of hand quickly at level 16+ and by level 20 you simply do ridiculous shit with basic attacks. Really, I'd go ahead and say they should cut weapon damage scaling by 35% if not more at these levels.

D:OS1 2h balls to the wall speccing and rangers were not kittens either and 1 decent onslaught from a buffed to the teeth 2h guy could oneshot minibosses, but that was like pump all the buffs in one guy and let it loose, here if you do this you will take out half the enemy force.

But well, snowballing to godhood is sort of D:OS thing it seems, in both games you start as a scavenger bottom feeder and end up steamrolling everything. Maybe D:OS3 will fix the curve a bit there.

Originally Posted by Zherot

Originally Posted by Sotanaht

There IS a form of physical resist. It's called dodge chance.

You are trying too hard dude, please.

http://divinity.wikia.com/wiki/Defenses_(Divinity:_Original_Sin)

Yeah, except dodge chance in DivOS2 now works on most physical skills as well. Throwing in a physical resistance on top of that would be double dipping a bit.

Originally Posted by Gaidax

Originally Posted by Zherot

Making money is terrible but you will see, and Source you will agree too when you find out that skills that were normally used in the first game now require source, remember meteor shower or any of those powerful magics?, they now requiere source, enjoy.

Money making is ridiculously easy and Source is great exactly because of what you said.

In D:OS1 I was spamming those Meteor Showers like no tomorrow for how powerful it was.

You were never spamming anything dude please.

Originally Posted by Sotanaht

Originally Posted by Zherot

Originally Posted by Sotanaht

There IS a form of physical resist. It's called dodge chance.

You are trying too hard dude, please.

http://divinity.wikia.com/wiki/Defenses_(Divinity:_Original_Sin)

Yeah, except dodge chance in DivOS2 now works on most physical skills as well. Throwing in a physical resistance on top of that would be double dipping a bit.

Kinda what magic dealers have to deal now with so it would be just fair, but no, they had to nerf the magic.

Originally Posted by Johnny_Devo

You really need to chill.

My impression in a nutshell from the week of posts I've seen w/ his name attached.

I will play the voice of reason here in only one way. Compiling all the threads into a single topic may be of -some- value, but I stress some.

At this point, most of these things have been beaten to death, resurrected, and then beaten to death again. Why continue making thread after thread? So its been done, the points have been made. It will be interesting to see if he can just let it lie or not.

If I were a betting man... well, the safe money is with; I won't say, but you get the idea.

Originally Posted by Darkwind

Originally Posted by Johnny_Devo

You really need to chill.

My impression in a nutshell from the week of posts I've seen w/ his name attached.

I will play the voice of reason here in only one way. Compiling all the threads into a single topic may be of -some- value, but I stress some.

At this point, most of these things have been beaten to death, resurrected, and then beaten to death again. Why continue making thread after thread? So its been done, the points have been made. It will be interesting to see if he can just let it lie or not.

If I were a betting man... well, the safe money is with; I won't say, but you get the idea.

I don't give up that easily, most people just accept mediocrity this days (fanboys), i won't, and i know this devs can do WAY better than this, they already did an amzing game (the original) and seriously this is just not their best.

It's quite obvious that the discussion the TS wants is more of the "agree-or-shut-up" type. Isn't this a waste of time?

TS, if I don't like fundamental aspects of a game, or just certain design decisions out of total personal bias (for example one-slot armor, forced clothed basis chars, save restrictions and so), I don't play it. There are many games around, perhaps you find a better one.

Originally Posted by geala

It's quite obvious that the discussion the TS wants is more of the "agree-or-shut-up" type. Isn't this a waste of time?

TS, if I don't like fundamental aspects of a game, or just certain design decisions out of total personal bias (for example one-slot armor, forced clothed basis chars, save restrictions and so), I don't play it. There are many games around, perhaps you find a better one.

I rather point out how they royally screwed up the mechanics of this game so they can fix it.

Luckmann's critique hit the nail on the head, personally.

Dodge is nothing new, it was already in the first game, so you can't call it a replacement for physical resistant. It was also possible to dodge attacks like Whirlwind in the first game, if my memory is not failing.

I think three main things make combat a bit tedious, at least for me :

Turn robin initiative BS + 4 ap starter + armors

- First you need to destroy armors. So every cc spells are useless, and you don't want to waste them.

- You only have 4 ap at the start of a combat. And no cc. So you will nearly always begin by the same combo (summoner is a lot of time if not everytime totem+incarnate, at least during early game). 4 ap is tedious really.

- So you can't use cc AND you can only do... let say 2 actions, if only you don't need to move. To finish this mess, you can't really combo with your team, because of the turn robin thing --> ok, you can combo with 1 toon, but come on, combo between teammates was fun. Now, if you let say put some oil on the ground, the enemy will be out of it when it's the turn of your pyro guy.

Oh, and no physical damages reduction is a bit silly. I mean we are talking about a game with crazy weapon scaling, and crazy spells like overpower, on top of that melee just deal pure damages. And poor spells...

Magic resist dealing poor damage isn't really the armor system fault. Enrage used to make mages ridiculous especially with enemies using them on you. Warfare buffed staff user getting enraged by an ally and using enrage on a boss was the highest burst damage in the game in EA.

They nerfed Enrage and made Flay Skin which is hilarious because the darn "Make magic deal more damage" debuff can be blocked by magic armor.

Create a new skill that reduce enemy resist like old Enrage and you will see mage damage become ridiculous again. There's only a single skill in the entire game dedicated to this role and it's used by a single boss, not the player. (-50% all resist and -4 con, goes through immunity)

If magic only gets viable in combination with a major debuff skill, the system is obviously heavily flawed. It would make the debuff just to another of those 'must haves' with any magic builts.

The funny thing though is that they are already more than viable even without those debuffs as long as you don't try to shoot a fireball into a flaming witch.

The biggest issue mages really face is that they suck in Act 1 and suddenly spike into god hood at the start of Act 2 around level 10. Them sucking for 10 levels because they don't have Elemental Talent and Sov magical crit talent while having extremely weak level 1 to 5 scaling is what needs fixing more than the Armor system. The first impression you get from that level 1 to 5 will make you not want to test them out at all at level 10+ and just label them as useless although they no longer are. They can even go tanky and high crit because of how the itemization work and that's a massive advantage.

If they want more people to feel like mage are useful from the beginning, make the surface -AP cost a thing for every magical skill instead of making it a talent and fix the pisspoor level 1 to 5 damage scaling. I guarantee you once these fixes are in, the amount of "Mages are so weak" complaints will barely exist because the major source of complaints come from people trying mages out in Act 1 while all the defense come from people that actually try the mages out in Act 2 and 3.

I'm just posting to report that I'm on my second playthrough, on Tactician this time, and still having quite a bit of fun with it. It's far from perfect, but it's still a very enjoyable game for me.

For hilarity's sake, I'm going to address each of these ten points in order.

1) Armor system is shallow, but a decent idea. Needs further development, and to not block non-control debuffs.
2) Attributes are straight-forward, but still serve their purpose well. Wits is lackluster, but other than that it's fine for me. Not particularly complex, but not bad.
3) Memory system is an aspect of the attribute system, so addressing it separately is simply padding the list. Still, I don't mind it at all. The idea of choosing whether to bolster how many skills you can memorize or your pure functionality isn't a bad idea.
4) The concept of an AP limit is fine, and I like the idea that you can't just store up two full turns of AP. I would like to see a fifth attribute that interacts with AP, similar to OS1.
5) Turn order doesn't bother me at all, in terms of mechanics. I think it could be better explained, and I think the Wits attribute is devalued by the system, but the concept of round-robin turns is fine. Even the edge cases I've seen are still fine; they mean that you might not always be best off killing a foe, but that's just another decision to make.
----besides, if the game is really as simple as Zherot claims, surely, the edge cases don't matter? Just kill everything with damage and move on

6) I ended my first run of the game with over 200,000 gold I didn't need. I was buying literally anything I needed. I had one thief, but gave up my thieving by the beginning of Act 3. I had no points invested in Lucky Charm. If there were more ways to make money, they might as well have the merchants tossing whatever we need in our bags as we walk by.
7) I agree with this completely. Dodging is a poor substitute for physical resistance, and causes physical damage to be superior in many circumstances.
8) Why should we be the only ones to know about our opponents? Yes, the enemy knowing about our weaknesses makes things more difficult, but before I cast any spell on my first run I knew exactly what resistances everyone had, what effects they were immune to.... I hate computer opponents that cheat, but I have the same ability so I don't see it as cheating.
9) Source as a mechanic is fine. The balance of Source spells is questionable, but there's nothing wrong with having a limited-resource ability. (I've seen comments about just corpse hunting, but that assumes you're willing to either ignore the story or consume spirits to power your spells; I was not willing to do either, so I restricted myself to source pools, fountains, and servants of the black ring whose spirits would survive anyways).
10) Are you upset about the talents or the number of points? I think number of points is fine, but the talents themselves are all over the place. Some are practically essential, others are completely worthless. If they were all worthwhile, the number of points would be sufficient to let you pick up those talents you wanted to define a character but not enough to get whatever you wanted. As it is, you just grab the few good talents for your build and move on.

I will not respond any further, so I leave this post here for the OP to insult. Since he seems to be personally offended at the idea of anyone actually enjoying this game, there should be plenty here for him to scream about

3) In D:OS1 slots were defined by skill trees not attributes, I guess that is why he made separate point for them.
5) It is bullshit, because the game lies to you. It tells you, that you can influence your position in turn order with wits, but your initiative has only secondary influence, which does not get communicated for you.
7) Dodging is no substititute for physical resistance, because dodging is nothing new. Physical resistance just got totally left out.
8) Because they are inconsistent: They know, that you are Glasscannon and focus you, but they ignore that you have attack of opportunity. (even though that is sad to being addressed) and also not every enemy should be as 'smart' as a player. Does it really fit for a zombie or an animal to be that knowledgable?

Originally Posted by Kalrakh

If magic only gets viable in combination with a major debuff skill, the system is obviously heavily flawed. It would make the debuff just to another of those 'must haves' with any magic builts.

Don't even bother dude, i swear this guy ideas are terrible i don't even bother to comment on them at all, waste of time.

Originally Posted by Ellezard

The funny thing though is that they are already more than viable even without those debuffs as long as you don't try to shoot a fireball into a flaming witch.

The biggest issue mages really face is that they suck in Act 1 and suddenly spike into god hood at the start of Act 2 around level 10.

That is some heavy Bullshit right there, i have 2 mages and both are past level 10 and they are more like TRASH tier.

Originally Posted by darkwarrior42

I'm a fanboy, everything is fine.

Fixed.

Boring, next.

Originally Posted by Zherot

Fixed.

Boring, next.

Calm down, there is no need to call everyone a fanboy just because they have a different view than you. I could easily call you a stick in the mud it may not be true but you're most definitely acting like it. So drop the "Agree with me or get out" and stop being such a narcissist.

A string of posts carefully put together like a proper turn based fight. Wow.

I thing Zelot has his rights in his quest to point out the compiled list of problems as he see them. After all, for the price he paid he certainly has a right to expect perfection.
I have three license keys and that should give me a right to demand stuff as well.
Some of the â€œgripe pointsâ€ Iâ€™d positively hate, so I think Zelot is wrong in his assessment of â€œeverything wrongâ€.

â€œFanboy killerâ€. Says it all really. Entitlement at itâ€™s peak.

Originally Posted by Ayath The Loafer

â€œFanboy killerâ€. Says it all really. Entitlement at itâ€™s peak.

Thankfully we're rid of that one for now, there is one thing to disagree and argue your point and there is another thing when the responses are outright insults and toxic behavior.

To me it does not look like terribly compelling argument there when all he could muster is pretty much "ur dumb lol" level of response. I am not sure how he expected to convince people with that, let alone those who make this game.