Hi

First of all i am really congratulations to all of your team for this amazing game. I am playing RPG and action RPG games nearly 20 + years and last 6-7 years i thought it is dying than divine came :) what else now my friends from community and real life start to ask same question after 100 + hours playtime .

What is next and when ?

And of course we are sure next time we can not see the end of game after 2 weeks. It will contain much more content

ooorrrrrr Larian style MMO ?? who knows.

This can be just an idea for you now at your side. But if you can share with us we will start to wait and talk to each other about some RPG dreams will never happen :)

Best regards and thanks.

Somtimes some ppl just make their jobs for passion. They can be sure ppl will follow them.

MMO? Oh god no, that would be awful.

I'm hoping for some decent sized content updates for GM mode and for the editor.

Let's not even start talking about DOS 3 for another year or two. DOS 2 should have several years of life ahead of it through the GM mode and modding community.

There is a whole Malady part unresolved and that's super interesting because she's a very interesting character for me and it would be cool to know what's her deal there.

I do think they should make expansion with that in mind, because story has sort of unfinished and exciting plotline right now which I'd love to tackle with current team, while new game can be in a whole other period.

Also technically God King is not defeated in this game, despite the wrap up shots you did not beat him directly and expansion could be about turning those end slides in reality + loose ends like Malady.

GM mode needs some serious love, imho. But, with that, I think this game could stay relevant for a while yet.

I'm holding out hope for an "enhanced" edition re-release that reworks and tightens up the messy systems in the game.

I hope they will hurry up and work on whatever comes next.

It is kind of a huge let down, that people feel an EE is necessary for the game to be fine.

EE from the first was a gift from the devs and a possible EE should not be an excuse for an underwhelming game.


Also they can hardly balance coop, they for sure could not balance MMO.

I know Larian did it for dos1 not an enhanced edition of a game is the worst thung ive ever heard of. Sure for them it makes miney but to me its hey we didnt make the game as good as it should have been the first time so we fixes it and want you to buy it again.

If they did that this would be the last Larian game I ever buy.

They will only make it worse. They did it for OS1, they did it for Div2, they're already in the process of doing it here.

Larian is a very backwards company. All other games the best advice is "don't play at release, wait until they patch it". For Larian games it's "don't download the patches, play it at release".

D:OS2 is underwhelming game?

I am sorry, but it is an excellent and solid game, the fact that some have beef with various things around they personally do not like does not suddenly make it "underwhelming".

Some stuff needs changes and fixes for their next big effort, but calling D:OS2 underwhelming? I think such description does not represent reality.

At the very least one can say this game is good and I'd love more of those around, even if they do not achieve 100% at everything.

I think so.

Depends on your main reasons for playing the game, I suppose. Some people play games for a few days, or long enough to write a review, focus on all the things you can supposedly do in the game, are happy to call it good then move on to other things.

Other people actually play games critically, analyze the things you can do and whether it gives the illusion of depth, or if some decisions are actually highly detrimental to extended playability.

I'm harder on DOS2 than other games, because it's so close to what I want it to be. So many great things about it. It's like someone serving up a delicious, perfectly cooked steak, setting it in front of you, then hocking a big slimey loogie right in the middle of it with some aggressively poor design decisions.

Sure, the portions around the edges are still great, and if you close your eyes you can ignore the big spit wad right in the middle. But your ability to find joy in the experience is extremely diminished.

Divinity: Original Sin 2 likely to receive additional content, but not an Enhanced Edition
http://www.rpgcodex.net/forums/inde...tent-but-not-an-enhanced-edition.118490/

I think D:OS 2 is a great game. It's just Larian was never a very game mechanics oriented studio, and like Sotanaht said, they often make things worse by reworking them. For players who care more about tactical RPG gameplay than general RPG gameplay, better waits for Banner Saga 3, Knights of Chalice 2 or any franchise that's actually known for its good mechanics design.

If something does not manage to match your expectations it is underwhelming. That is a pretty simple definition. I was with the EA from the start, I was one of those, who pointed out, that the first attribute system was even more horrible than the current system. I witnesses many changes during the EA, some for the good, some for the bed. But even after the release, the game just feels half baked, like they had many good ideas but no real concept to achieve them.

Sure, I understand, why they did some changes, but the core issue seems to be, they just wanted to change to much for being able to do it properly. That is way in many expects it feels worse than the first and not like an improvement. And some stuff that was already bad in the first game like inventory management remained pretty untouched.

So yes, it is unverwhelming for me. Perhaps not for most people, but most people are pretty easily satisfiable.

Perhaps some people have unreasonable expectations of others doing something exactly as they envision.

Honestly in such state of mind everything in existence is underwhelming.

I personally wanted a good classic RPG with turn-based combat and that's what I have ultimately got. Big numbers or various mechanics mishaps do not detract from the bigger picture of this being a good turn-based RPG.

I don't think, I had that high expectations. I expected an improvement to D:OS1, not a 0815 Turn Based without any real character developement possibilities which looks like the first. Cheap number bloat mechanics are only one of the many flaws of this game.

I don't think that most people are easily satisfiable in this day and age of gaming. Compared to how many RPGs are out there, it is only a few that achieve such high praise. So saying that most people are easily satisfiable is a bit of a stretch in my opinion.

As for the continuation of DOS, I think it would be pretty cool to see a DOS MMO. If they can manage to keep the spirit of DOS1&2 and convert that feeling of freedom to an MMO that would be awesome.

I don't think that is a common feeling among their masses.

I will take whatever give me more lizard playable.

I'm just happy they added voice acting and it was so well done.

In early access, I cried entering a new area with NPCs. That's a lot of reading, bleh. Reminded me of my Morrowind days.

The main problem with Morrowind was the vast expanse of greige. The Divinities were always prettier than that.

Well, except for Beyond Divinity.

Yeah when Larian Studios announced voice acting for DOS2 that was a huuuuuge deal for me.

*read in old man voice*: In my day, we read all the text in an RPG, AND WE WERE HAPPY ABOUT IT!




In all seriousness, a true RPG *should* include lots of text. It's about telling a story, and what's a story without words?

lol same

honestly I was disappointed in the lack of depth in the "love and hate" system.I was expecting something amazing and instead got a crappy watered down oblivion style system.then again maybe I'm just upset cause the one character I wanted to romance was not only unromancable but also dies almost instantly the sea battle with dallis.that damn meteor shower.

really quite subjective. lots of people (myself included) would argue that voice acting gives the text tone it otherwise doesn't have, which adds a depth and feel to the story. that said, people who are allergic to reading should certainly avoid rpgs

i hope they do an expansion that allows us to see the other places like the ancient empire, i do wish to continue my romance with the red prince, yay polygamy.

Full voiceover is definitely huge. I am pretty impressed they actually did an actual full voiceover and by full I mean full.

That said, I'd love them to include party banter, strange there is none when you travel around, I think that's a miss.

I find it quite hilarious that they have the same voice actor for the Red Prince as they had for Edmund. He pulls it off so well as well.

For a future game I would like to see the events after Flames of Vengeance or possibly a story prior to Original Sin.

there is also wisdom in summaries your story and keep things succinct. Otherwise you will just end up a bloated mess.

It's not so much that we were happy about it, it's just that we recognized that human beings without reading disabilities read text many times faster than actors can speak it, and are highly likely to simply skip long winded vocal passages. We acknowledged that human imagination is always infallible vs cheap voice actors that can be jarring.

We accepted the reality that people skipped voice over passages wholesale, that they inflated the production cost of games, and that the necessity for voicing all text in a game frequently limited the number of dialogue options.

Case in point, see what an unvoiced CRPG like Shadowrun Dragonfall can do with dialogue options on a limited budget. If you like words, unvoiced text gives far more freedom than voiced text does.






A textual story on a printed page should definitely include words. CRPGs exist in visual medium that isn't reliant on textual storytelling though. They have more storytelling tools available than text. It's like saying the first 30 minutes of "Wall-E" needed more words.

I read a couple books a week on average, am unimpressed by voice acting in games, and despise the narration in DOS 2, wishing it could be disabled entirely. It's not central to the reasons I'm disappointed by the game, but I can't help but wonder how much better the actual game might have been if they had just skipped out on VO, and put the money into hiring systems designers instead.

I definitely prefer voice acted RPGs to ones that are text only. It's not that I mind reading, I'm an avid reader, but I like me some voice acting. It also helps when you play split screen with another person. Sure beats having to constantly ask if your partner is done reading before hitting continue. I find it helps immerse me in the narrative more as well. I'm very glad they got the voice acting in DOS 2. Would have felt like the game was downgraded from the EE otherwise.

I'm also glad of the voice acting: the alphas felt slightly lifeless in comparison.

I hate to be the stick in the mud, but I'm not a huge fan of full voice acting in RPGs, especially cRPGs like this where dialogue and text make up a large portion of gameplay. It's a huge expense that imposes restrictions about the game, and personally I've always been a fan of audible speech being something important and uncommon.

That said, I understand why they did it for DOS2 and can appreciate it, the majority of the voice actin is quite good, or is at least bearable.

Smugass voice turns me on and that's why they should be presented :V

Trust me, I still do PNP to this day with friends. You can include text as much as you want, but an interesting and pithy encounter is more memorable than walls of text.

Brevity is the soul of wit; if I wanted to read a great story pages long, I'd pick up one of my novels.



Mods fixed that, but to be honest, I started playing Morrowind on my Xbox. The landscape never bothered me. The dungeons, shrines, interesting lore/characters (omg, the 'Tower of Tel Fyr'!) and creepy encounters with Daedra kept me immensely invested.

But then again, I'm a dork who enjoyed Zork and Leather Goddesses of Phobos.

I think I'm spoiled by voice acting now.



Can you share examples of dialogue that was "bearable"?

For me, and this is just my opinion, the voice acting is absolutely superb. The narrator in particular is incredibly well done. That's a huge amount of lines that poor man had to read, but still did a great job and didn't lose his 'enthusiasm' to make it captivating.

All the characters ended up sounding like I pictured in my head how they would in Early Access.

I did end up having quite a significant amount of engreenification going on: not as much as I'd like, but even on my current PC some of them are real performance hogs!

I also liked the dungeons, and in particular I enjoyed the incongruity of their mysterious and slightly scary atmosphere being set to such friendly-sounding exploration music.

Something I appreciated too, was the fact that there wasn't any damn quest markers on your HUD. Those big, dumb, colored arrows that scream 'go here'!

You had to study the information your were given and navigate there by yourself.

Thinking back on it, y'know what another great thing about dungeons was?
NO DAMN CLIFF RACERS!

I loved reading a story in Oblivion or Skyrim, can't remember which, that talked about Saint Jiub. Jiub was the guy on the boat you wake up from your nightmare next to in Morrowind. Talks about his quest to eliminate all of the cliff racers and how he was granted sainthood for his sacrifice.

Something I'd love to see with an expansion is a whole bunch of new Origin tags to play with. Perhaps a Magister background where you were imprisoned after gaining Source powers even despite being one of their own.

What about a Nomad background? Someone who travelled the long roads and experienced the world in all of its glory. They'd have tales to tell of the other race's distant homelands.

You could even have a Sultry tag with how many NPCs come onto you in this game and you're unable to reciprocate it. Obviously not bedding stuff but like casual flirting. Hell, gimme a [Lizard][Female][Sultry] option for Trompdoy where I can say I don't have tits.

I'm pretty sure you got the enhanced edition for free if you already owned the game.

Correct, everybody who owned DivOS1 got the Enhanced Edition for free.

One of the problems with voice acting, is that if a mistake is made and not caught, it can pull you out of the immersion. For example, when you click on a globe in the game, the narrator says 'And you thought Rivellon was flat'. However, he puts the emphasis on 'Rivellon', making it seem that he's comparing how flat Rivellon is versus some other place. He should have put the emphasis on 'flat', emphasizing that Rivellon isn't flat, despite what people believe.

Little mistakes like that can creep in and if not kill the immersion, it will at least lessen it.

I don't really mind the voice acting overall (though I'd be perfectly fine with just text), but minor niggles like that do tend to distract from the game.

I did specifically notice that one: overall I thought the voice acting was good and added a lot to the game, though I do sympathise with what you're saying. Not least as I absolutely hate Peter Jackson's interpretation of Lord of the Rings, for example, and think that compared to the original written work it lost far more than it gained in the process. But that said, Tolkien's work was intended to be the written word whereas OS2 was most likely intended to be acted from the outset, and I think the matter of which medium is better is a much more gnarly and subjective thing than the pitfalls of trying to convert one to another.