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GTA: San Andreas is to be re-rated at AO, thanks to the Hot Coffee mod which has a sex mini-game in it that Rockstar blocked off and modders have actually UNLOCKED:
http://ir.take2games.com/ReleaseDetail.cfm?ReleaseID=169278

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Take-Two Interactive Software, Inc. Announces Conclusion of ESRB Investigation

ESRB assigns "Adults Only 18+" (AO) rating for current version of Grand Theft Auto: San Andreas due to unauthorized third party "Hot Coffee" modification

Rockstar Games to cease manufacture of current version of title and offer a downloadable patch to prevent modification of Grand Theft Auto: San Andreas for PC

Company lowers third quarter and fiscal year guidance to reflect the expected negative impact on the title's retail performance

New York, NY – July 20, 2005 –Take-Two Interactive Software, Inc. (NASDAQ: TTWO) announced today that the Entertainment Software Rating Board (ESRB) has changed the rating of Grand Theft Auto: San Andreas on all platforms from "Mature 17+" (M) to "Adults Only 18+" (AO) because of the so-called "hot coffee mod," an unauthorized third party modification that alters the retail version of the game. Take-Two cooperated fully with the ESRB's investigation.

Rockstar Games has ceased manufacturing of the current version of the title and will begin working on a version of the game with enhanced security to prevent the "hot coffee" modifications. This version will retain the original ESRB M-rating and is expected to be available during the Company's fourth fiscal quarter. Rockstar Games will be providing AO labels for retailers who wish to continue to sell the current version of the title.

As a result of the re-rating of the game, Take-Two is lowering guidance for the third fiscal quarter ending July 31, 2005 to $160 to $170 million in net sales and a net loss per share of $(0.40) to $(0.45) to provide reserves for the value of the title's current North American retail inventory. Accordingly, guidance for the fiscal year ending October 31, 2005 is also being lowered to $1.26 to $1.31 billion in net sales and $1.05 to $1.12 in diluted earnings per share.

"Take-Two and Rockstar Games have always worked to keep mature-themed video game content out of the hands of children and we will continue to work closely with the ESRB and community leaders to improve and better promote a reliable rating system to help consumers make informed choices about which video games are appropriate for each individual," said Paul Eibeler, Take-Two's President and Chief Executive Officer. "The ESRB's decision to re-rate a game based on an unauthorized third party modification presents a new challenge for parents, the interactive entertainment industry and anyone who distributes or consumes digital content. Rockstar Games is pleased that the investigation is now settled and they look forward to returning their focus to making innovative and groundbreaking video games for a mature audience."

The scenes depicted in the "hot coffee" modification are not playable in the retail version of the game unless the user downloads and/or installs unauthorized software that alters the content of the original retail version of the title, representing a violation of Take-Two and Rockstar's end user license agreement (EULA) and intellectual property rights. "We are deeply concerned that the publicity surrounding these unauthorized modifications has caused the game to be misrepresented to the public and has detracted from the creative merits of this award winning product," said Mr. Eibeler. Take-Two is exploring its legal options as it relates to companies that profited from creating and distributing tools for altering the content of Grand Theft Auto: San Andreas.

Okay, so the "Hot Coffee" modders might wind up w/ some lawsuits, it sounds like.

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Rockstar Games will be making available shortly a downloadable software patch to render Grand Theft Auto: San Andreas for PC impervious to the "hot coffee" modification. Rockstar encourages parent groups and political leaders to assist with distribution of the patch to prevent the content of the modification from spreading further.

How many will download this patch themselves?

It's not like the game is like HL2, has Steam built into it, and does auto-updates on you w/out warning or your approval.


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That's bizarre. So the game rating is changed because of an illegal modification that has nothing to do with the company that released it? Is that right?

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to Hilary and those conservative congresmen.

Off with their heads <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/memad.gif" alt="" />

I guess rockstar is happy with all this publicity <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/silly.gif" alt="" />

@ spick: It's because the scenes were in theire but were disabled to get a lower rating. a modder just changed a flag to let those scene be seen. But I agree it's is total bull feces. This means that any games where a mod for is that changes green to red blood should get the same treatment. hell even the sims has a no bur mod.

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Just realize the post I was writeing was a repeat of what was allready written I'm changeing the contence: I agree.

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That's bizarre. So the game rating is changed because of an illegal modification that has nothing to do with the company that released it? Is that right?


No, it's b/c the code was Rockstar's -- it's just a modder UNLOCKED it by writing their own mod for you to install.

I don't think this would be an issue, if the "Hot Coffee" code was completely written by a 3rd party entirely.


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Fair enough. It's not much different to having a "nude cheat" or something like that.

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I have seen the clip which they wan to ban, here it is > Banned clip Pretty tame in context whith the rest of the game seeing as it is an 18.


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Something like this was posted on an other forum

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Ok, facts lesson concerning this subject:

1. The hot coffee minigame is not accessible without a hack or cheat device. It was not meant to be played.

2. The original hot coffee minigame has no nudity - the clothing was removed for the PC version by the person making the PC version patch.

3. Leaving unused levels and content, unaccessible by normal means has been common practice in videogames since the beginning.

4. The videogame industry is not a kid's business anymore.


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My question is, why didn't Rockstar just remove the content instead of hiding it? Were they underestimating hackers or just lazy?


Every program something as massive as a sophisticated game. Removing a chunk of code can cause this huge cascade of problems. It's easier to just null the code then remove it.


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If you can't monitor what Jr. is doing under your very nose, then you suck as a parent. End of story.



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9/11, Rove, energy policy meetings, bogus journalists: shhh. Nothing to see here.

Janet Jackson, GTA: WE MUST HAVE HEARINGS NOW!!!


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Since when do POLITICIANS complain about BLATANTLY CIRCUMVENTING THE RULES!?



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