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Best Dagger? #350060
11/03/08 07:07 PM
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I know there are a lot of good swords in the game. I was wondering though what the highest potential damage for a dagger might be? I found a merciless dagger that does 45-67 damage. With back stabbing maxed which gives a 50% chance of double damage, the effective damage of this dagger would be 67-100 or around the same as some of the best one handed swords (I have seen posts showing sword of the Gods at 71-100 damage).

The other aspect of this is range of attack. I was wondering if the game takes into account the lenthe of the weapon. For example a warrior using whirl, you would think would hit monsters from further away using a two handed sword as opposed to a dagger.

By the way the dagger I found that does 45-67 was a long dagger with no other magic stats or bonuses. In an earlier game I tried getting the nobleman dagger and it only came out with 9-31 damage as it is not a long dagger. So even with some bonus stats that seems to week. Has anyone gotten higher damage from the nobelman dagger, the one from the holy item quest?

Re: Best Dagger? #350061
12/03/08 06:34 AM
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With the holy (nobleman's) dagger I got something like 21-54, with backstab plus all it's other attributes (tons of different damages, I can't even remember them all), it was easily doing over 100 damage per blow. When you're looking for something in a weapon, my advice is to get one with a lower durability, as a lot of durability greatly increases the total stat value of an item, leaving very little room for other stats. Mine had only 4 durability, and therefore had tons of level 5 attributes (frost damage, poison damage, charm quality, life drain, mana drain, plus some other ones I don't remember).


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Re: Best Dagger? #350062
12/03/08 06:41 AM
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I never paid attention to the damage on daggers, but AFAIK even with Assassin's Kiss maxed, you can get better damage on a decent one handed sword. That implies the dagger you found should be near the upper range of damage.

I'm pretty sure the game does take weapon length into account. I used one handed short swords and a two handed bas.tard sword, and I never noticed any hits or misses that were inconsistent with the character animations.

I tried reloading a few times for both the nobleman's sword and amulet, but didn't try with the dagger.

Re: Best Dagger? #350063
14/03/08 02:24 PM
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I reloaded the nobelman's dagger and on my 8th try this is what I got. See pic. This is likely the highest damage possible on a unique dagger as it compares to the 71-100 range of the unique sword of Gods. The 47-63 range would be in effect 70-94 with the 50% bonus achieved from 5 points in assassin's kiss. The Sword of Gods would be slightly faster with the swordmaster skill but with the 5 charms and other mods I got it looks like I will be using a dagger. Some of my earlier trys inclued a 47-63 with 6 to speed, 1 charm slot and below avg mods. I even had a 7-23 damage version just before this one.


edit- the assassin's kiss is not actually a 50% bonus. It has a 50% bonus to do double damage which in practice works out to the same thing.




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Re: Best Dagger? #350064
14/03/08 03:27 PM
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Good dagger, but one of my primary prerequisites for a weapon was frost damage, it's really useful!


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Re: Best Dagger? #350065
14/03/08 04:01 PM
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Good dagger, but one of my primary prerequisites for a weapon was frost damage, it's really useful!






Are you playing as a survivor,warrior or mage? Frost on a weapon makes things a bit too easy with a warrior swirl attack. If I need to freeze a monster I just use the freeze spell. Only has one point in it, but it lasts long enough.

If I could set my own mods I would give it dual leech (5). I have another charactor with a sword that has Mana drain (5) Life Leech (4). I know there is the restoration spell but I like life leech on weapons. Partly because this game has so many useful spells and only so many can get hotkeyed. I hot key curse, freeze, life leech, elemental strike (though I rarely use this and will be replaced with something else before long) Skeletal wall, resurrect, of course the swirl special attack. Then I have stamina potions and restorations hotkeyed. My f10 key is not working (Must be the keyboard) I'd like to hot key bless and a few others. Thats what is great about this game. Having access to all trees. With so many other games you have 3 or 4 obvious best spells and you end up with cookie cutter charactors.

Re: Best Dagger? #350066
14/03/08 08:43 PM
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My f10 key is not working (Must be the keyboard)

It is not your keyboard; F10 can not be used as a hotkey, for some reason.


Tutorial-Changing F1-F12 hotkeys to different keys



Re: Best Dagger? #350067
16/03/08 02:08 AM
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Thanks Raze, your amazing!

Re: Best Dagger? #350068
16/03/08 05:03 AM
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Thanks Raze, your amazing!



Just amazing? He's AWESOME! I'll give him 2 thumbs up right now!


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