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Re: So where is that Linux version anyway? [Re: Garog] #567723
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Originally Posted By: Garog
@gGeo, because they made a "promise" in there kickstarter campain and tempt people to backe with this "promise".
I see. Probably Larians believed that there is enough Linux audience prepared to pay. But well, Linux community is about students, vegans, geeks and other nerds who can so-so pay their bills. Maybe I am wrong, but if there is a revenue potential, Sven would force it already.
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And your view of things tell me just that you have no idea what it means to use linux for desktop pc's and that you still live in the 1980.
Educate me please. There is 99% of people who rather pay then use a thing for free. Lets have two cars, one cost 100Eur another one is for free. Most of the users owns the car for 100. Why ?

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Re: So where is that Linux version anyway? [Re: gGeo] #567785
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Originally Posted By: gGeo
Educate me please. There is 99% of people who rather pay then use a thing for free. Lets have two cars, one cost 100Eur another one is for free. Most of the users owns the car for 100. Why ?

Because the 100€ car comes pre-installed in their new garage.

Re: So where is that Linux version anyway? [Re: ka1man] #567796
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Originally Posted By: ka1man

Because the 100€ car comes pre-installed in their new garage.

If you buy a product preinstalled, well then you pay for that.
Look for HP ZBook 17 G2 in your favourite shop.
You could buy it for x money without OS (freeDOS) or for x +100 with Win preinstalled.

Most of people choose preinstalled Win even its more expensive.
Most companies who has IT specialist so could support Linux specialty choose to pay. Why?
Because owners of the companies find out Win is cheaper. Less TCO. Thats it.

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Originally Posted By: gGeo
[quote=ka1man]If you buy a product preinstalled, well then you pay for that.
Look for HP ZBook 17 G2 in your favourite shop.
You could buy it for x money without OS (freeDOS) or for x +100 with Win preinstalled.

Most of people choose preinstalled Win even its more expensive.

Most people do not have the choice, because they do not know to look for specific hardware from specific vendors. We'll see whether that may change once Valve releases their Steam Machines.

Originally Posted By: gGeo
Most companies who has IT specialist so could support Linux specialty choose to pay. Why?
Because owners of the companies find out Win is cheaper. Less TCO. Thats it.

We're not talking about companies here. They are not Larians audience. Regardless, companies do have very specific needs in regards to the software they use, and that limits what IT can do.

Thing is, more people would use Linux on their PC if it were readily available (they happily use it on their Android device, even though they could buy a Windows Phone).

But all arguing is moot. The point is that Linux support was part of the Kickstarter. And I would not be surprised if the number of backers for which Linux support was an important feature was greater than 0.89%.


Just for the record, I personally am fine if Linux support comes late in form of the EE, but then I wasn't a backer. But I did buy it with the expectation that I could eventually play on Linux. And I will not back OS2 if it does not come with Linux support.

Re: So where is that Linux version anyway? [Re: ka1man] #567818
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Originally Posted By: ka1man
And I will not back OS2 if it does not come with Linux support.


I doubt that will be an issue. Now that they've sorted the middleware issues, I believe the Linux and Mac releases should be much faster. Speculation on my part, true, but not without merit.

Re: So where is that Linux version anyway? [Re: gGeo] #567823
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Originally Posted By: gGeo
Educate me please. There is 99% of people who rather pay then use a thing for free. Lets have two cars, one cost 100Eur another one is for free. Most of the users owns the car for 100. Why ?


Hm, lets take a look on the market and buy a new pc with... uuh.. win preinstalled, today its protected with uefi bios too. Money, its all about the money, microsoft has just a good marketing. Why servers, not just webservers, most of the time run on linux ?

The list is long and the pro and con list is older then the pc itself...
I also know the times i compiled my kernel on my own because i have too.
I have windows aswell but just boot into windows to play games and thats the long driving motor behind windows, the games.
The use of Linux is mot just a statement for vegans and people you listed.
How do you upgrade 20 different softwares ? I push one button and wait a few seconds/minutes and you ?
I do it on windows too, klick the update, download it, deinstall the old version in some cases first, install the update, and so on for each application.
Windows 10 is trying to make things better, but for the cost of what ? You read the license terms ? You know what there scan and collect from you ?

Linux systems have a stable desktop today and are a real alternative for windows. But, as far as people or devolopers, especially gamedevelopers, still see linux as a small market with no chance, this will never change.

Re: So where is that Linux version anyway? [Re: Lar_q] #567921
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D:OS 2 is on kickstarter without linux support... what ever this means to the linux version of D:OS (EE) but it seems to me that they still have not really finished the engine on this side...

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Re: So where is that Linux version anyway? [Re: Garog] #567924
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Mac or console support isn't mentioned for D:OS 2, either.
"Other platforms and languages may be announced at a later stage, once development is more advanced."

Re: So where is that Linux version anyway? [Re: Lar_q] #571891
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i could say "i told you" ...

Quote:
Divinity: Original Sin - Enhanced Edition will be out on PC, PS4 and Xbox One on October 27. Mac and Linux will be right on their tail, arriving at the beginning of December as we finalise the ports. We know it's been quite a wait, but it'll be worth it!

Re: So where is that Linux version anyway? [Re: Lar_q] #571987
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Larian doesn't want to leave us hanging like last (?) time.

[edit] With EA pimping out Bioware, Larian, as far as I'm concerned, is the #1 RPG maker out there these days. Granted, I have neither played Wastelands 2, nor Pillars of Eternity, but as far as I can tell, they are top dog. Of course, that is also why this is so painful.

Oh well, I'm also waiting of Tides of Numenera, which I backed before DO:S.

[edit2] I'd really love just whatever nightly is going around Tuesday. That would sate my DO:S hunger.

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Re: So where is that Linux version anyway? [Re: Garog] #572017
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Originally Posted By: Garog
i could say "i told you" ...

Quote:
Divinity: Original Sin - Enhanced Edition will be out on PC, PS4 and Xbox One on October 27. Mac and Linux will be right on their tail, arriving at the beginning of December as we finalise the ports. We know it's been quite a wait, but it'll be worth it!


This company is a f*cking joke. Taking my money to develop a Linux version and pouring it all into making console versions. I dont care if it's only one person that wants the Linux version, if you make it a kickstarter goal and reach it then stick to your guns.

Been waiting for this game for well over a year now but I've had it. How do I go about to get a refund? I'll just wait until it's on Humble bundle for $5 making sure my money goes to charity and not a single dime ends up in Larians pockets....

Re: So where is that Linux version anyway? [Re: Lar_q] #572021
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It makes financial sense to tap into a new market, but it certainly pisses off the established fan base.


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Re: So where is that Linux version anyway? [Re: faceplanter] #572023
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You do realize the very first post in this topic is about the decision to port the Linux version of the engine to the EE branch of code, since it was not feasible to do both the current release branch and the EE?

The money pledged by Linux users was used for the Linux version, the budget for which was greatly increased due to issues with middleware, etc.

The console versions, funded by a publisher and proceeds from Windows/Mac sales of D:OS, had an extra certification process that it needed to go through, as well as manufacturing for the retail release. The PC versions of the game are digital only, and therefor had a more flexible release, which did not need to be determined as far in advance (and it was only fairly recently that Larian was confident the Windows version would be ready by the console release).

Without separate teams for every platform, the only way the game could be completed was to do the content first and focus on the console versions. When they got sent for certification, start switching over to the Windows version to focus on PC only issues (changes to the keyboard/mouse UI, etc), then port to Mac and Linux.
The plan was to have that process done for a simultaneous release, but it took longer than anticipated.

Email kickstarter@larian.com about a refund.

Re: So where is that Linux version anyway? [Re: Lar_q] #572025
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Yes Raze I know, I just replied to the quote. I've seen you defend Larians mistakes for about a year now, your job can't be easy.

The fact that the console versions gets released before the Linux version is a spit in the face of all who backed the project from the beginning, when consoles wasn't even on the paper. It just shows how incompetent Larian are when it comes to running a project of this size (either that or they deliberately ignore Linux which is even worse). Anyway, thanks for the email.

Re: So where is that Linux version anyway? [Re: faceplanter] #572026
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I have not defended any mistakes. I have pointed out the realities of game development, though (and software development in general, and other creative or iterative processes where ETAs can not be accurately predicted).

Re: So where is that Linux version anyway? [Re: Lar_q] #572028
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I'm a software developer myself and I know estimates are not a thing in this business, even though we are forced to make them. That doesnt excuse the fact here that they have the game ready for 3-4 platforms while lagging behind on others. Having separate code branches for the platforms (or had now?) shows that the Larian team should probably pick up a couple of books on cross platform development.

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Until D:OS, Larian was a Windows only developer, with a lot of tools and procedures already in place. A Mac port of the engine had been started, and then stopped due to lack of resources, only to be restarted once the Kickstarter was successfully funded.
Regardless, there can always be platform specific issues which can interfere with plans for a simultaneous release.

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Faceplanter, i hate this too. I'm pretty pissed off for the same reasons, but as much as I feel the salt in a fester wound, I can't deny that without console gamers paying for the enhanced edition, it would never have happened. I think the whole thing with Linux was handled very, very poorly. Yes, there was a middleware issue, and yes I understand that it's a big deal. The middleware oversight is part of the "handled poorly" bit.

I've also said many, many times, and I won't go back on it, that I want Larian to take their time and release the best product they can. This is the reason I have not once bitched about the fact that Torment: Tides of Numenera still hasn't been released. They are taking their time. If the game could use a new edition, which from what I've read it needs, then there should be a revamp.

Someone has to pay for that revamp, I bet there are few non-console gamers who haven't already purchased D:OS and would want to. That means a new market. A new market means a console port. Larian doesn't run on Wishes and Rainbows, they need money.

Are we getting the short end of the stick. Hell fucking yeah, but life is like that. It sucks, I'm pissed, but I have faith in Larian studios. They are not new to developing games, but they are new to the self publishing side of things.

This is one case where a publisher would have stepped in and sorted things out, making this games releases go much smoother. However, for us, not better. Either we would get the Paradox treatment, and a broken game, or simply no Linux version at all. That is the sad reality.

Asking for a refund isn't going to do anything but turn Larian away from another Linux release in the future. If you are so sure you can get the game for $5 later, then that means you too believe that Larian is going to pull through for us.

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Re: So where is that Linux version anyway? [Re: Lar_q] #572113
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Well, the one positive aspect I see about this is that we may get a Linux version that has the worst bugs of the initial EE release already fixed.

Though I would not be surprised if there are platform-specific bugs present as well. And it remains to be seen if patches make it to all platforms in a timely manner ...

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What about the Linux release now that the Enhanced Edition is released? I do remember, that you folks said that one will be cross platform!? Why is there no cross platform zero day release including Mac and Linux this time? >.<

To me it seems like Larian really doesn't want any money of either Mac or Linux users in the future.

EDIT: I don't even see an (encrypted) linux depot only atm.

https://steamdb.info/app/373420/depots/

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