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Re: Swearing and Sexuality in Divinity: Original Sin 2 [Re: Elwyn] #568392
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Originally Posted By: Elwyn
I think Larian should invent their own dwarfish, orcish and elfish swearing language (and add a dictionary in the manual) hehe


I'd back that!

Re: Swearing and Sexuality in Divinity: Original Sin 2 [Re: LightningYu] #568394
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Originally Posted By: LightningYu
Thats the upcoming Problem, which disturbed me to begin with the Success of Witcher 3. I love the Witcher series, but now, everyone who enjoyed the Game thinks/mean, every other Game have to be like Witcher.

Very well put. It's understandable that people want more of what they like, but I am all for variety and against copying what others do.

Originally Posted By: LightningYu
As it goes for me, i wish that Larian Studios stay loyal to themself. They have their own unique Style. They don`t need swearing or nudity(but maybe a bit more serious writting)...

I really loved the style of D:OS. I would prefer seeing that evolved instead of radically changed.

Re: Swearing and Sexuality in Divinity: Original Sin 2 [Re: LightningYu] #568396
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Originally Posted By: LightningYu
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Geralt's dialog in The Witcher series is a perfect example.


*sigh*

Thats the upcoming Problem, which disturbed me to begin with the Success of Witcher 3. I love the Witcher series, but now, everyone who enjoyed the Game thinks/mean, every other Game have to be like Witcher.

Sorry, but no. Witcher 3 isn`t a new Standart for RPGs but his own fresh style of a Game. Like Series - even though i love Game of Thrones, i don`t want that every new Fantasy Series is like Game of Thrones, where Peoples die like flies.

The Witcher 3 is for adults, because of their Topics, but that alone doesn`t make a story deeper/emotional. Or do you want to say, that Tolkiens Masterpiece, which is much Family-friendlier, is nothing compared to Adult Storys like Game of Thrones or Witcher?!

As it goes for me, i wish that Larian Studios stay loyal to themself. They have their own unique Style. They don`t need swearing or nudity(but maybe a bit more serious writting)...


That's not what I was saying at all. Of course Divinity is it's own game with it's own style and that's great.

I was making a point that you can use colorful language without degrading the writing.

I'm fine with D:OS not using any colorful language.


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Re: Swearing and Sexuality in Divinity: Original Sin 2 [Re: ka1man] #568413
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Originally Posted By: ka1man
Originally Posted By: LightningYu
Thats the upcoming Problem, which disturbed me to begin with the Success of Witcher 3. I love the Witcher series, but now, everyone who enjoyed the Game thinks/mean, every other Game have to be like Witcher.

Very well put. It's understandable that people want more of what they like, but I am all for variety and against copying what others do.


Yeah thats the Problem with Dragon Age: Inquisition. I mean i like that Game much better than Dragon Age 2. Also it had few points which i also liked more than Dragon Age: Origins.( i love the Map Design/world)
But i think they tried to hard to be like Skyrim, an Huge Open World Game, that they forgotten/missed they good points. DAO had a lots of good Sidequest, none of them were anyway Boring/repetive. There were no Fetchquests or other Quests which brake the flow of the Storytelling(like close so much Rifts, until you can play the next Story Mission). Look at DA:I - Tons of Fetchquests, only few sidequests. The Mainstory for me were Epic, but that you have to "work" on Rifts, that you can play the Storymission were also a Let down, etc etc.
I mean, in my Opinion they go in the right direction, because i like it that you have bigger, explorable Maps. But they should take the Time to do the things right...

And to clear up misunderstands: I would love to see more of Witcher Type Games, but that doesn`t mean all of the Games have to be like that...

Originally Posted By: ka1man

Very well put. It's understandable that people want more of what they like, but I am all for variety and against copying what others do.

I also play Shooters, and have quite my favorite ones. But you see it in Shooters. All the peoples flamed about the World War II Shooters. And back then they were right. There were too much WWII shooters. But since CoD got this "modern Warfare" Setting, they tried to jump of that train too. And now i can`t see it anymore. Why?! I really would enjoy a good WWII Shooter again!

Or Minecraft, i mean good, there are some good examples - which jump at that blocky-thing too(i think Voxelbased its called?), but were so unique that they`re made good alternatives, like 7 Days to Die or Terraria(also i cant wait for Dragon Quest Builders). But what about ManicDigger, or Terasology. All Games which were REAL copy and paste Minecraft Clones. If it would be like on WiiU which didn`t get Minecraft, and they wanted to make for such Players also Access to a Minecraft-Style Game. Okay. But on PC were Hundrets of such clones...

Originally Posted By: ka1man

I really loved the style of D:OS. I would prefer seeing that evolved instead of radically changed.

Yeah thats the point. I wish they do bit more Serious writing(but still the larian typical humor) but it should only evolve not change.

@Von_Rotten:
Sorry, my english isn`t quite good. I`m not an English native. I Understand what people write with almost no problem, but to write myself is a bit hard.

My Post weren`t meant to attack you, but talk about that topic in general.

Re: Swearing and Sexuality in Divinity: Original Sin 2 [Re: freeportaa] #568419
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Even if you say you want a filter it's good to keep in mind that in different cultures specific swear words or swearing in general can be considered much less or not offensive at all.
I know this is the case here in the Netherlands and considering Larian is located in Belgium they probably have different sensibilities about swearing then someone in the USA might have.

I doubt Larian will do this as it's a feature that could potentially take either a lot of disk space or a lot of time to create.

Re: Swearing and Sexuality in Divinity: Original Sin 2 [Re: freeportaa] #568476
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Wait, someone actually had a problem with the very light swearing and references to sex and sexuality in Original Sin? Wow lol.

And nudity? Guess I missed that. I only recall a prostitute in that inn that Vometia is in who reads you some god-awful child's story when you hire her "services" (kudos to Larian for that one, made me laugh especially with how you get locked in the room and can't leave until the story is finished) I guess some Rivellonians have weird fetishes?

What is the problem with swearing in the game anyway OP? You're in the game with different NPC's who all have their own personalities and backgrounds so making them like characters you would encounter in real-life (or not in the case of the more eccentric characters) makes sense. Having NPC's who all speak differently just makes more sense than having NPC's all speaking in the same dialect (which is just lazy).

In a universe with cut-throat bandits and crazy psychopaths is a character who swears really such a problem? I do wonder how you can watch much TV or play most games if you're opposed to the use of swear words being used. With your opposition to swearing, you're missing out on a lot of good games.

More importantly, how is a word more offensive than murder and killing which both exist in Divinity? Look I can respect your opposition to swearing and nudity as so much media nowadays uses them and often rather distastefully but if you can't overlook these things, you'll miss out on a lot of good games. Larian has never been opposed to using strong words so I wouldn't expect censorship from them.

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Re: Swearing and Sexuality in Divinity: Original Sin 2 [Re: Demonic] #568486
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No, the OP didn't have a problem with D:OS, they merely said they hoped D:OS 2 wouldn't go in that direction.

Re: Swearing and Sexuality in Divinity: Original Sin 2 [Re: freeportaa] #568489
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I'm known for having a really bad memory, but I don't even remember swearing or nudity in DOS1... Only the mostly circomvulated, shakespearian-style of almost any living soul in the game.
Which is one of the reason I love it.


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Re: Swearing and Sexuality in Divinity: Original Sin 2 [Re: Dr Koin] #568512
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Originally Posted By: Dr Koin
I'm known for having a really bad memory, but I don't even remember swearing or nudity in DOS1... Only the mostly circomvulated, shakespearian-style of almost any living soul in the game.
Which is one of the reason I love it.

I don't quite recall Shakespeare's level of crudeness, though Chaucer apparently knew how to do vulgarity properly: not that I'm well versed in his writing, though we probably have a copy of The Canterbury Tales lying around somewhere.


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Re: Swearing and Sexuality in Divinity: Original Sin 2 [Re: Haleseen] #568523
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Originally Posted By: Haleseen
In the modern world, if you don't say the f-word in white collared work, you're pretty much an outcast.


I would suggest that you consider changing your profession, then..!...er, what is it, if you don't mind me asking? I know that people curse & swear, but I've never been in a situation where someone attempted to force me to follow suit. What, you think people will come up to you say, "I notice you don't say f*** very much or at all. What's wrong with you?"...:D I think what's more likely is that you simply haven't tried not saying it yourself and only have a suspicion as to what might happen to you if you didn't emulate your compatriots.

As far as cartoon-character sex in a computer game goes I can't help but see it as generally gratuitous. It would be like trying to add in a porno chapter to Tolkien's Lord of the Rings...;)


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Re: Swearing and Sexuality in Divinity: Original Sin 2 [Re: Demonic] #568541
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Originally Posted By: Demonic
Wait, someone actually had a problem with the very light swearing and references to sex and sexuality in Original Sin? Wow lol.

And nudity? Guess I missed that. I only recall a prostitute in that inn that Vometia is in who reads you some god-awful child's story when you hire her "services" (kudos to Larian for that one, made me laugh especially with how you get locked in the room and can't leave until the story is finished) I guess some Rivellonians have weird fetishes?

What is the problem with swearing in the game anyway OP? You're in the game with different NPC's who all have their own personalities and backgrounds so making them like characters you would encounter in real-life (or not in the case of the more eccentric characters) makes sense. Having NPC's who all speak differently just makes more sense than having NPC's all speaking in the same dialect (which is just lazy).

In a universe with cut-throat bandits and crazy psychopaths is a character who swears really such a problem? I do wonder how you can watch much TV or play most games if you're opposed to the use of swear words being used. With your opposition to swearing, you're missing out on a lot of good games.

More importantly, how is a word more offensive than murder and killing which both exist in Divinity? Look I can respect your opposition to swearing and nudity as so much media nowadays uses them and often rather distastefully but if you can't overlook these things, you'll miss out on a lot of good games. Larian has never been opposed to using strong words so I wouldn't expect censorship from them.


In terms of violence: it`s just not that offensive unless it`s quite gory.

I can play games with swearing as long as it`s not gratuitous, but I do have to draw the line at nudity. I cannot play The Witcher Series (I actually played the second one, and wasn`t impressed with it anyways) or Dragon Age: Inquisition because of this (which was a big disappointment to me).

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Re: Swearing and Sexuality in Divinity: Original Sin 2 [Re: freeportaa] #568543
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The classical comment would be, "I don't understand, how can nudity bother you while violence doesn't?"

I kinda stopped trying to understand a while ago. Violence is an act of hatred or fear while nudity is.. well, natural. We are all naked individual wearing clothes. The cynical could tell that violence is also a very natural human trait, but I guess you got my point. It's all a question of education, I guess. After all, there are people teaching their child how to hold a gun but not telling them how babies are conceived. *shrug*

On the other hand, nudity also kinda prevented me from playing the Witcher games, especially the first. Well there wasn't really nudity in TW1, but they sold their game claiming it was a "dark and mature game", and for some reasons, people tend to think that 'mature' means including sex/nudity. The amount of girls Geralt could frak ( and, worse, keep trophies out of those encounters ) was stupid. So you see, it's not nudity itself that bothered me, rather the gratuitous use that was made of it...


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Re: Swearing and Sexuality in Divinity: Original Sin 2 [Re: Dr Koin] #568546
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Originally Posted By: Dr Koin
The classical comment would be, "I don't understand, how can nudity bother you while violence doesn't?"

I kinda stopped trying to understand a while ago. Violence is an act of hatred or fear while nudity is.. well, natural. We are all naked individual wearing clothes. The cynical could tell that violence is also a very natural human trait, but I guess you got my point. It's all a question of education, I guess. After all, there are people teaching their child how to hold a gun but not telling them how babies are conceived. *shrug*

That's the one that always gets me confused too: that violence, sometimes even quite serious, can be considered inoffensive and acceptable, but that even fairly mild language and nudity are. I guess I could write it off as a cultural thing, but that still doesn't feel especially enlightening as I'd be left wondering how that came to pass (assuming it's the case).

Originally Posted By: Dr Koin
On the other hand, nudity also kinda prevented me from playing the Witcher games, especially the first. Well there wasn't really nudity in TW1, but they sold their game claiming it was a "dark and mature game", and for some reasons, people tend to think that 'mature' means including sex/nudity. The amount of girls Geralt could frak ( and, worse, keep trophies out of those encounters ) was stupid. So you see, it's not nudity itself that bothered me, rather the gratuitous use that was made of it...

I can see that the rather gratuitous application of it could bother people, or at least feel out of place. My TW1 Geralt was almost a saint in that regard so I didn't really see it so much; in which case I'm not sure how much I'd say it might be considered a reasonable reaction to player choice!

I dunno, I don't generally like excessive anything in my entertainment, but otherwise I don't really mind overly much what's included. Though I admit the juvenile part of me (even at 47, probably the greater part) was entertained by Thaler's habitual and casually foul language in The Witcher 3.


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The thing about nudity is that, yes, we are very sexual beings. We are easily driven by sex. Nudity in video games can be arousing which leads to pornography and pornography is a horrible addiction which not only destroys self-esteem, relationships and lives, but it also takes advantage of women. On the other hand I can play violent video games and never harm another soul. That's why I have to draw the line at nudity. That's my logic.

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Well I can understand where you're coming from, even if I'm still not convinced. The human body is a beautiful model for artistic representation, and while I also condemn the use of gratuitous nudity ( often for the sake of selling more copies ), I also can aknowledge the proper use of a naked body for artistic reasons. And many people in the video game industry are fighting for Videogames to be recognized as a form or art smile

I'd even go as far as thinking that being aroused by a nude body in a videogame is kinda disturbing in the first place, and may be caused by being brought up in system that does condemn or reject nudity or sex. I find strange the link between nude in a video game and pornography, just as I am surprised pornography would be called a horrible addiction. I don't find it more horrible than videogame addiction, and certainly far less horrible than hard drugs, alcoholism, or violent behaviours - although I agree that some pornography can indeed take advantage of women. This however isn't always true. Revenge porn, that has been wildly covered by medias these times, is horrible. A scene shot in studios with and by professionals isn't.

Anyway this topic has derailed, mainly because of me, so I think that, in the end, what we can agree on is that we don't feel like having nudity in DOS2. Unless it serves a real purpose, which is probably not going to happen, or for a small harmless joke like the bathtub in DOS1. =)


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Re: Swearing and Sexuality in Divinity: Original Sin 2 [Re: freeportaa] #568549
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Originally Posted By: freeportaa
The thing about nudity is that, yes, we are very sexual beings. We are easily driven by sex. Nudity in video games can be arousing which leads to pornography and pornography is a horrible addiction which not only destroys self-esteem, relationships and lives, but it also takes advantage of women. On the other hand I can play violent video games and never harm another soul. That's why I have to draw the line at nudity. That's my logic.

Man, what kind of world do you live in? One where you read and trust this kind of propaganda that you read on the internet?

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Originally Posted By: freeportaa
The thing about nudity is that, yes, we are very sexual beings. We are easily driven by sex. Nudity in video games can be arousing which leads to pornography and pornography is a horrible addiction which not only destroys self-esteem, relationships and lives, but it also takes advantage of women. On the other hand I can play violent video games and never harm another soul. That's why I have to draw the line at nudity. That's my logic.

I can't really agree with that, speaking as a woman, and I find violence inherently more worrisome than nudity and pornography. Of course in video games we're talking about the depiction of violence and nudity, and I'm not going to suggest going down the Jack Thompson route of suggesting that video game depictions somehow normalise things to society's detriment, but I don't think one can make a credible argument by saying one is somehow more "real" than the other, especially when the apparently acceptable one is far more harmful IRL.


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Violence is much easier to deal with as a concept, and the morality is pretty straightforward. Very young children can be taught to resolve disputes without resorting to violence (golden rule, anti-bullying, etc). Slightly older children can easily recognize the difference between actual violence and fake violence in cartoons, or movies, etc. Dealing with sexuality requires more maturity, and is a lot more personal than violence (which the majority of people in liberal western democracies aren't actually exposed to frequently).

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I guess some of it comes down to personal experience: in my case, I found violence to be a much more real and bothersome matter, and when I was younger I simply wasn't interested in things like nudity. Regarding the matter of swearing, I think I'd heard all the familiar vulgarity before I was even into my teens, much of it from the other kids! And it seems to be much more commonplace these days, for better or worse. Of the things you'd mention, bullying is probably the worst of all and it can use pretty much "all of the above" in its application.


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Originally Posted By: freeportaa
The thing about nudity is that, yes, we are very sexual beings. We are easily driven by sex. Nudity in video games can be arousing which leads to pornography and pornography is a horrible addiction which not only destroys self-esteem, relationships and lives, but it also takes advantage of women. On the other hand I can play violent video games and never harm another soul. That's why I have to draw the line at nudity. That's my logic.


Exactly this. It's easy to differentiate between real violence and fake. Even virtual nudity is pornographic, and pornography is a very slippery slope that's very damaging to the soul.

Originally Posted By: Haleseen
Man, what kind of world do you live in? One where you read and trust this kind of propaganda that you read on the internet?


Way to be dismissive, without even considering the argument.

Originally Posted By: Raze
Violence is much easier to deal with as a concept, and the morality is pretty straightforward. Very young children can be taught to resolve disputes without resorting to violence (golden rule, anti-bullying, etc). Slightly older children can easily recognize the difference between actual violence and fake violence in cartoons, or movies, etc. Dealing with sexuality requires more maturity, and is a lot more personal than violence (which the majority of people in liberal western democracies aren't actually exposed to frequently).


It's not just about maturity, pornography can affect anyone, especially males (since we males are more visually stimulated by nature).

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