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#218741 14/04/04 08:57 AM
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unless the game is popular enough to warrant long-term interest. for the hacker, of course.



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Let's see how long it takes before DeViAnce comes up with a cracked version... 1 week after release of the English version?

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So the honest majority of people has to pay the consequences for the dishonest minority's immoral behaviour. What else is new ?


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Can you imagine a game with no copy protection? LOL! <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/badsmile2.gif" alt="" />



Yeah I could imagine a game with no copy protection. It would be pirated by exactly the same number of people as a game with copy protection. I don't care what copy protection scheme you come up with, it will be broken the day the game is released. There are so many ways around every copy protection it's ridiculous.

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I think games do need copy protection, but it doesn't have to be complicated or anything. You can't stop hackers from copying your games, so don't try. The only thing you should try to prevent is people who don't really understand computers all that well, to not be able to copy their games and give to their friends.

If you've got that much copy protection, that's enough, since it will prevent alot of piracy already. That way, friends will be able to recommend games to their friends, but not give copied versions to them. Sure they can still lend the game to eachother, but they might still be tempted to buy their own copy.


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I think office is ALOT smaller then a 2.5 GB Rpg. <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/winkwink.gif" alt="" />


I think you missed my point on this one - the ONLY reason you have to have the CD in the drive is for the copy protection (even if the entire game is installed on your HD). Why is it OK for game publishers (not blaming the developers on this one!) to require this kind of nonsense?

If people simply refuse to buy games that have these insanely stupid CP systems in place, the publishers would eventually have to change - but unfortunately the developers like Larian would be the ones to suffer until the system is changed.

I HATE having to go searching through the sleazy side of the Internet for a no-CD crack <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/shhh.gif" alt="" /> to play my legitimately purchased games - but it's still better than having to swap CD's every time I want to play...

So how do we as consumers get to play our games in peace without jumping through all these hoops, WITHOUT negatively impacting the developers?

Anyway, here's hoping they get all the kinks worked out before the English version goes Gold. I'll be here reading carefully, hoping that I DON'T see dozens of posts about CP errors and the like, before I decide whether to spend my money...

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So the honest majority of people has to pay the consequences for the dishonest minority's immoral behaviour. What else is new ?


Sad, but true...





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Tovi is very right here. The professional crackers you can't stop. But most of the others maybe.

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It would be pirated by exactly the same number of people as a game with copy protection.


Not true. Unfortunately there are rarely numbers for it so every example you can find here is pure luck. But there are some.
My favorite one is a few years away. Any one remembers Incubation from Blue Byte? A hell of a game! Got everywhere very good reviews but sold terribly. Nonetheless the developers decides to get some of the costs back and throw an Add-On after it. It was just amazing. It went away like a flood. They even covered all their costs from the main game.
So they wondered why so many people bought an Add-On for a game they impossibly could have? The Answer was simple, the Add-On had a copy-protection while the original game didn't.



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WOW, that;s quite impressive... I'm glad it helps


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It's all good, I bought 2 copies of Divinity, as did a couple of friends of mine. Of course, I won a free copy of BD playing ImpRunner. Assuming of course they actually contact us for shipping information. <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smile.gif" alt="" />

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It's all good, I bought 2 copies of Divinity, as did a couple of friends of mine. Of course, I won a free copy of BD playing ImpRunner. Assuming of course they actually contact us for shipping information. <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smile.gif" alt="" />


Probably the week(s) that remain between gold and release we will get a mail.

And if we would ask (beg, bribe, give flowers) Lynn maybe she will ship it so it comes in the mail a couple of days before it hits the shelfs.


The file that was not encrypted was near the 19 megs? Seems that the patch for 1.0 to 1.2 is only 0,4 megs larger. this probably means that all the german patches will be 19 megs +?


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That excuse has more holes than a slice this fine Gorgombert!
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Lord Bubba you keep ranting about being the honest consumer yet you complain that there will be Copy protection on the game that makes you work hard to play the game...ehhhh(blinks) let's weigh the average consumers pains agains the developers pains in creating a game(hmmm yea thought so) No matter what extent of Copy Protection is used in games the consumer will still buy the game, even if they have to keep the cd in the drive when they play the game, or have to have a certain drive to read the cd. The consumer will always be there to buy the game no matter what <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/winkwink.gif" alt="" /> Copy Protection on Games no wait on Software including Music Software(samplers, vst synths, others will only get more and more complex) the best on is example is: Kontakt(best softsampler) you add in a huge id code that you send into them, then they send you back another huge code of numbers, which you add in, then you go to there page and register with this code, after that it takes the two numbers and gives you your long register number which you enter in on the webpage and Wala! done LOL!!(and then there is the upgrading WHAHA) imagine that just to play a game <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/evilgrin1.gif" alt="" /> Still there those like Radius and forget the names(that can bust those things wide open(these guys crack everything There pro.)
Copy protection will stop most of everyone though from hacking and that's a good thing. NWN had a good Encription and there disks I believe were unburnable? Sony is always looking into ways to Beef up the CopyProtection on everything. (here's to copy protection errors, cheers)
just more of my bla bla bla <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/kitty.gif" alt="" />


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...I too hate leaving the CD in the PC. It can eventually damage the disc and there goes your game. I've heard it happened a lot with NWN.


Yep. I am one of those that got the cheap cd(s). Since I never previously used no-cd cracks I let it slide... usually leaving the cd a lot of the time. Id say after about 2-3 months the inside (plastic part holding no information) got a small crack in it... It wasnt too bad until it kept getting worse, and I stupidly kept using it <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/badsmile2.gif" alt="" />

After a couple weeks It was loading and I heard a god-awful snap in my cdrom and it sounded like someone was rapping one of those huge records on a turn table. I opened it up to what I thought... a super scratched cd that wouldnt ever read again!

Since then I've been using no-cd cracks. Saves me from using cds to copy the game I've spent money on, which usually dont work anyway...

Figured Id share this terrible story <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/cry.gif" alt="" />

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To all the saints in this forum who keep on rambling on how bad it is that the "o so naughty" people that download cracked versions are punishing the little Jezusses you apparently are : GET A LIFE! We are ALL sinners! Haven't you ever done something wrong yourself? Repent now that you still can before the hellish fire of the heretic demons will destroy your hypocritical soul. etc...etc...but to get to the point :

Yes : it is not very nice to download cracked games, very unjust towards the developers.
BUT : it is a BAD idea to use a CP that requires you to have the original CD in the CD-drive. The game-cd's are usually of such a crappy quality that they get broken if you leave them to long in the drive. It's almost CRIMINAL to use this kind of a system.

Now, concerning playing cracked/hacked/copied games : I have rarely bought a game that I didn't try out before. Usually by playing the demo and sometimes by downloading cracked CD-images. In 95% of the cases I played something like 2-3 hours before deciding to send it to the recycle-bin. In the 5% of the cases I continued the game till the end I also bought it just to have the manual and to be able to download the latest patches (actually I also think that the developers really deserved the fact that I bought the game). In general this means that the money I have to spend on games goes to the people who deserve it the most, those who have created a little marvel that belongs in my CD-rack, instead of spending it on shitty games who seem to have a nice cover and a huge marketing machine behind them.

I know it's wrong what I do when I download cracked games from the net but at least I confess it and tell you the reasons why (good or not). Apparently I seem to be the only one here. Shame on me, shame on me...he who is without sin can throw the first virtual stone.

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actually thank the hackers because if it wasn't for them developers wouldn't know about there holes in the code and back doors and who knows what <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/winkwink.gif" alt="" />
As for warez...games don't do it(becasue I play Games from japan Console)and pc games are huge...
Music Software(have to buy that stuff) my Connection is just to slow to dl anything... <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/evilgrin1.gif" alt="" /> I won't have a lot of time to even play BD but I am going to buy it or else I wouldn't even be posting anything in these forums <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/delight.gif" alt="" />


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I do the same as Hunter: demo or possibly a cracked version and then I go and buy it, but this is only for games of which I'm still in doubt. <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/beyond.gif" alt="" /> for instance: there's no doubt about it, I am just gonna buy it.
just like Far Cry and UT2004, they don't dissapoint me.

so Hunter.... you're not alone <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/winkwink.gif" alt="" />


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actually thank the hackers because if it wasn't for them developers wouldn't know about there holes in the code and back doors and who knows what


What?? If it wasn't for hackers in the first place, developers wouldn't have to worry about holes in their games!


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Copy protection is fine to keep the average game player from copying a game and giving it to all his/her mates, so in that it's a good thing.

But trying to create an unhackable projection is surely an impossible task. The good hackers will always find a way. So when that 'advanced' projection creates problems for both the developers and the game players is it worth the trouble?

I've tried copying a few games I get lent by friends...sometimes it works, most times it doesn't. The CD copy gets an error or something, and then I say 'Oh, well can't copy that one, no big deal!'

It's enough to deter me because generally I don't care about copying games, if I like it enough, I'll just buy it. I like having the original.

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To all the saints in this forum who keep on rambling on how bad it is that the "o so naughty" people that download cracked versions are punishing the little Jezusses you apparently are : GET A LIFE!


Get a life ...


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Aye, and who here actually BUYS original software like photoshop, flash, dreamweaver etc...

Anyone? Anyone?

If you do ya have more money than you know what to do with...I don't know a single person with a computer that doesn't have pirate software on it.

If you think it's wrong, it's probably because you still haven't been handed a CD with umpteen amounts of cracked apps yet!

It'll happen...one day... <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/evilgrin1.gif" alt="" />

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I simply don't use MS Office. I use OpenOffice and Textmaker instead.

I would like to buy Photoshop only to show the people at Aldus <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/badsmile2.gif" alt="" /> that individuals can buy it too - although it's utterly expensive. I believe that Photoshop is NOT intended as "individual software", but rather for companies, hence the price.

And have I already mentioned that localised versions ofsoftwware here in Germany has sometimes double the price than English software (worst example again : Adobe) ? <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/memad.gif" alt="" />
An editor in the German mgazine C'T even wrote that these high prices for localized software (meanwhile sometimes forbidding Germans to buy much cheaper English versions) is meant to "subventionieren" English customers in the USA, for example, because they get it much cheaper.



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