I went down the pit in the arena, I didn't have a rope, don't know if that even matters. I can't seem to get up anywhere near the haystack. If I am screwed, say yes. If I can get up another way say, no. Thanks for the help.
Ya got to go through more of the citadel because you can't get back up.... or at least I couldn't. But don't worry you'll get back there later in the game where you can open those doors that ya can't use a key to open
