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Re: I will not buy the game because of StarForce 3 #249615
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[...]the whole market is in terrible movement now.




I'd call this an understatement.

I have read it as well, the thing with the EULA (substitute the last A with an E and you have the German word for owl ) in a kind of lexikon that's where I'm currently making my Internship now, so I'll look what's standing there as source in the coming week.


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Re: I will not buy the game because of StarForce 3 #249616
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There's another potential problem.

Modding communities will have to go as well, as you cannot create levels and so on without breaching the new laws. This should eliminate all the editors in games being released, as you can't use the game engine to reproduce, levels, code or in-game characters, lol.




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Re: I will not buy the game because of StarForce 3 #249617
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Except where companies explicitely allow them to build MODs.

In the case of Command & Conquer Generals I read that EA fails to produce a new patch for fixing exploits and weaknesses - instead, I read, they were "officially supporting" a group of MOD-Makers who were buildinmg a MOD that does just this.
Fine for EA : More money saved.

And, by the way, NWN is a case of its own. It's designed to do nothing else than develop MODs.



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Re: I will not buy the game because of StarForce 3 #249618
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Sorry, gals and guys - as I'm not much online until September, I'm leaving this highly interesting discussion.
Kiya




Can't say I am glad.. Just a bit lonely this evening.


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Re: I will not buy the game because of StarForce 3 #249619
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Except where companies explicitely allow them to build MODs.

In the case of Command & Conquer Generals I read that EA fails to produce a new patch for fixing exploits and weaknesses - instead, I read, they were "officially supporting" a group of MOD-Makers who were buildinmg a MOD that does just this.
Fine for EA : More money saved.

And, by the way, NWN is a case of its own. It's designed to do nothing else than develop MODs.





Don't forget, the EULA is invalid under current law. The new law has banned this, regardless of what the developers says. The developer says "yes do it" and the law says "no you can't" ...

However, if the game had no disc protection, you could legally do this, as these new laws would not be broken.


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Re: I will not buy the game because of StarForce 3 #249620
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Here is A FACT that You all SHOULD be Aware of: There has NEVER been a Game
that has NOT been CRACKED Nor Pirated. NEVER Will Be! Copy Protections are and never will be a DETERRENT to this Group.
BD Has been Cracked for Well over a Week. You just Have to KNOW WHERE to get it.
Copy protections are TOTALLY USELESS. It serves Only ONE Purpose--it Prevents the LEGITIMATE Owner of the Game from Making a Backup Copy---And THAT IS ALL IT DOES! PERIOD!!!

Re: I will not buy the game because of StarForce 3 #249621
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Yay, here we go again, very interesting I might say...

Re: I will not buy the game because of StarForce 3 #249622
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Close, but no @Sigarr


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Re: I will not buy the game because of StarForce 3 #249623
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@Bean -

Hmmm...yes, strong argument there Sigarr, well thought out and opens up a whole new line of thought for me that I was completely unaware of till you elegantly phrased it. And the cap letters, wow that really brings it home. Couldn't see what was the point behind the whole discussion until the captials...wise sage!



Re: I will not buy the game because of StarForce 3 #249624
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xAcesx:
Don't forget, the EULA is invalid under current law. The new law has banned this, regardless of what the developers says. The developer says "yes do it" and the law says "no you can't" ...






Errhm, bad news, got the commentary about the new law in Germany. It's about the back-up copy

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§ 69d, Abs. 2 ... Die Erstellung eines backup copy darf nicht untersagt werden, wenn sie für die Sicherung der künftigen Benutzung einer Software erforderlich ist... Erhält der Nutzer von Anfang an 2 Kopien eines Computerprogramms oder einen physikalisch unempfindlichen Materdatenträger, wie z.B. eine CD-ROM, besteht KEINE Notwendigkeit für die Anfertigung einer weiteren Sicherungskopie... Die Datensicherung im Zuge der Programmverwendung fällt unter 69d, Abs 1. Grundsätzlich zulässige Kopierschutzmaßnahmen (Dongle oder Hardlocks) dürfen genauso wenig wie der kommende "digital fingerprint" dieses Recht auf eine Sicherungskopie vereiteln, die einen sofortigen Ersatz der Arbeitskopie z.B. im Fall eines Programmabsturzes ermöglichen soll.




Translation of the bold text:
If the user gets 2 copies from the start or one physical main data carrier (CD-ROM) there is NO necessity to make another backup copy.

The rest is about securing data - that you are allowed to make a backup copy and copy protection is not allowed to interfere with this, such as dongle, hardlock, digital fingerprint

here is a teeny prob now => computer games are films - yep, you read it correctly, cause a PC game is animated. Consoles have a different protection, but I'll stick to PC games now, ok? The game itself is a film in German law sense, the software in it is a computer program

So, finding out now, if a backup copy of a PC game is like a backup copy for a film (allowed???? Don't think so) - or if it fits into the software backup - where I see a prob with the CD-ROM as being sufficient - will take some time. This commentary has 2144 pages and I have a dissertation as well now to browse.

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Kiya



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