Larian Studios Forums Divine Divinity (English) Help/Tips/Tricks Questions about the guilds

ok, I've just reached Verdistis have the opportunity to join the thieves guild.
My questions: how do the guilds work?
1. is the thieves guild only one I can join?
2. does joining the thieves guild prevents me from joining some other guild?
oh, and another one: how many guilds are there anyway? <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/tongue.gif" alt="" />

Hi Toshi!

There are the fighters guild, the guild of the woodmen, the assasins guild and the thieves guild. However only the fighters and the thieves guild are joinable.

There is no real need to join the guilds but you miss some very valuable side quests in both cases. Joining one guild doesn´t exclude you from joining the other...

ohh... and

thx for the welcome <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smile.gif" alt="" />
and for a fast reply <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/mage.gif" alt="" />

I tried joining the thieves guild (those test-quests are... <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/think.gif" alt="" />
easy? <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/delight.gif" alt="" /> the only bad thing I saw is... my reputation fell by two points :-(
oh, well... I'm a Divine One, if someone likes it, or not <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/biggrin.gif" alt="" />
ok... I'm joining the thieves guild !!!! <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/party.gif" alt="" />

oh, another question - inside the guild some guy wants to bet, if I can open 8 doors... I can open 3 of them (I have lockpicking on 3 lvl), and I quess the fourth one requires 4 lvl of lockpicking? and what about the other 4 doors?

You have two ways of solving this quest. Either you have lockpick level 5 to open the last door and therefore win the bet. (and a lot of money) or you report back without opening loosing the bet. in this case the thieves guild member learns you 1 level in lockpick for free. <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/biggrin.gif" alt="" />

Well not for free - it did cost you the 5.000 betting money, but it's worth it. The other three doors do not belong to the bet quest.

ok... so another level of lockpicking for 5000 gp? no problemo, I have almost 50k gp <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/biggrin.gif" alt="" />
hyh, try to shock me and say how much gold did you have in the end of the game? <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/biggrin.gif" alt="" />

You can also join the Merchant's Guild through money or favours.

uhhh, forgot the merchants guild completely... <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/shame.gif" alt="" />

ok, but I can be a member of all three guilds at once??
niccceeee... <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/badsmile2.gif" alt="" />

i have now 150K gp and i now just going to the wastelands <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/ROFL.gif" alt="" />

I just got to the wastelands, and I have around 500,000 gold. Plus I have 10-20 of those red charms (which I can sell since I will not use them), and tons of silver charms (which I may use).

my god did u use a moneycheat lol unbelievible so mutch money wow <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/eek.gif" alt="" /> <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/eek.gif" alt="" />

I looted and sold everything I could. Before hitting the gong, I had 6 gold charms, and 29 stacks of 50k gold (1,450,000). My inventory at the end of the game included;

66 gold / very large charms
59 silver / large charms
24 red / medium charms
19 blue / minor charms
1 green / weak charm

1154 minor restoration potions
650 regular restoration potions
I found / made 83 super restoration potions, but traded them for a gold charm and a couple spell books. Amazing how many potions you can collect if you buy them when selling stuff, and stick the excess in a chest somewhere.

uuhmm... cheats?
naaah... I'm kidding <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/silly.gif" alt="" />

I'm at the moment, where I have to collect the council... 56k <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/confused.gif" alt="" /> and lts of blue charms... some of reds and one silver...
but yesterday I found a way to duplicate items <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/evilgrin1.gif" alt="" /> but I won't use this - it's not fair :P

oh, and a question: what are all those gems for? for some kind of potions, or what??

[color:"orange"]uuhmm... cheats?[/color]

Actually, that depends on how you define cheating; I didn't do anything not allowed within the game. Before the using the wishing well to boost my level, using the jug in the bee/wasp garden and leaving for the wastelands I used Resurrect repeatedly to top off my experience points and get to the next level (or just get close in the case of the imp council member quest). This resulted in more dropped loot than I would have gotten otherwise. I also sometimes used Resurrect on the lizards in the Dark Forest, looking for dropped charms. That got boring fast, so I would just resurrect groups and leave, then kill them again if I happened by that way later.

Many of the silver charms I bought from Kistandalius in Ars Magicana and Corinna in Verdistis. The only red / blue charms I bought were from the blind seer, in the one encounter you have with her.


Gems are only useful as a lightweight item for trade (gold is weightless, though) or as lighting at night (to decorate your home base).

ok, relax - I was kidding about the cheats <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/biggrin.gif" alt="" /> I also use different methods to get as much cash as it's possible <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/evilgrin1.gif" alt="" />

and for those gems... so I CAN sell them !!!! <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/party.gif" alt="" /> finally... I thought they can be used like charms (or like gems in Diablo 2 <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/biggrin.gif" alt="" /> )

and another question <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/rolleyes.gif" alt="" /> : where can I get/buy red or silver charms?

probaly if i sold everything i had 300.000 gp but i was to lazy <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/stupid.gif" alt="" />
it was so mutch to sell

[color:"orange"]ok, relax - I was kidding about the cheats[/color]

I know; I answered anyway. <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/tongue.gif" alt="" />

Besides Kistandalius and Corinna that I mentioned above, Blake in Ars Magicana and Mpenzak in Verdistis also sometimes have charms. Other NPCs have a (lower in my experience) random chance of having charms, so you can also try soldiers, the dwarves in the dwarven halls, etc.

No cheating, or abuse here. Never resurected anything to kill again. Never picked a pocket (except the one quest). Did have repair at level 3 early on and repaired everything before selling it. Did hit level 5 repair with a ton of stuff stored in a chest and repaired it all before selling it. Did pick up every single item that did not cause a stealing conversation. Did pick every locked chest/door. Did kill every enemy in the game pre-gong. Did have level 2 Alchemy very early in the game (10 gold converts to 50 or was it 100?) which equaled lots of extra gold via creating healing/mana/restoration potions for 1/5 the cost.

I easily could have had more gold if I had not bought all those super healing potions (barely ever used one, and easily found as many as I used), spellbooks (I bought every one I found for sale even though the only spell I cast is Restoration), and green/blue/red charms (of which I only used 1-3 even though I bought/found 20-40 of them).


I actually thought I may make a character specifically to make the most cash possible: max repair, level 2 alchemy, max identify, max pickpocket, max pick lock. Never sell anything not at full durability. Buy every small empty flask, and create potions with them. Pick everyone's pockets. Pick every lock. Never buy anything I am not going to use (I wasted alot of gold on spellbooks and green/blue/red charms). Never pay to repair/identify anything. I just thought it may be interesting to know just how much cash I could get.

ok, hmmmmmm... why does Kistandalius have the same stuff for sale since few (game) days? Is there some "spawn" time for new items or is it random?

plus: somewhere I found a tip for DD, to make "camps" - leave the teleport stone in (for example) Rivertown market and put some hay for sleeping. How can I do sth like this, if I can't carry the "sleepable" hay?

PS. this topic should be renamed to "Toshi's questions and stuff" <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/silly.gif" alt="" />

Toshi u must dragg the straw in ur inventory then drag it out and make
ur nice comfortable straw bed <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/winkwink.gif" alt="" />

http://www.kiya1.de/images/Div_Bed.jpg.html

Toshi, if you look at the pic link => this house has a portable bed with 0 weight. Just carry it to the place of your choice and drop it, place a pyramid next to it, and you can sleep under the stars without getting pinched by straw.
Kiya

Pic was made by Dragon.

hahahahaha thx - I didn't know about that house <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/biggrin.gif" alt="" /> In fact I've never been in that house...


I told you I couldn't carry that.

Guess, this bed was not meant to be portable - but you have to remove it in order to reach the hatch underneath - then one gamer had the idea to pick it up and found out, it has 0 weight and it can be used - either in inventory to sleep via click - or be dropped and then used.

Haybed has this disadvantage:
You can carry straw bundles, but as soon as you drop and click on them to get a hay bed => you can't pick up the hay again. So, gamers came to this solution: Drag&drop 2 bundles of straw into your inventory and then click on both to get a hay bed => thus being able to sleep "in your inventory".

Edit: Sorry, always mix up straw/hay => the last edit is correct, screenshot will follow.

www.kiya1.de/images/Div_Haybed10.jpg
www.kiya1.de/images/Div_Haybed20.jpg

oh u cant carry it sorry i thought you dint now how to carry it <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/stupid.gif" alt="" /> <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/stupid.gif" alt="" />

[color:"orange"]Is there some "spawn" time for new items or is it random?[/color]

For most NPCs the inventories will be reset after about 10 to 15 minutes real time. If you talk to an NPC, run your mouse over them or hit the alt key nearby it will set the inventory. If you do that before the reset time is up, you will have to wait another 10 or 15 minutes.

LOL, so you can make a hay-bed from every kind of hay? I thought there's some special kind, that you can sleep on <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/biggrin.gif" alt="" />


niiice... 30 level and don't know how to pick up items <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/think.gif" alt="" /> <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/biggrin.gif" alt="" />

and really, maybe change the name of this topic - it's not about the guilds anymore <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/devil.gif" alt="" />

EDIT: Raze, could you explain that one more time? and more details, please <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/shame.gif" alt="" />

If you go to a NPC and talk to him, shop.

then DO NOT press ALT or put mouse over him.

Wait 10-15 minutes in real life time, ( say 9:00-9:15 )
and it will re fill the inventory.

To rephrase what I and Lews said;
If you leave an NPC for a certain time (varies a bit between NPCs) their inventory will be reset.
If you come back before that happens and hit alt or talk to the person, you will need to wait the full reset time again. Talking to someone every 5 minutes, their inventory will never reset.

Also, merchants can keep some of the items you sell them, particularly quest items and some magic items. These show up at the top of the inventory list, so with enough of them accumulated you might not be able to see that the rest of the inventory has changed without scrolling down.

I think it is every 10-15 minutes that a trader changes his wears.

Another thing i think you should carry bundles of hay near your teleporter and then arranmge it into sleepable hay.

About money,i am nearing the wasteland part and i too have 6 golden charms but not as much money as Raze,i do have a ton of other charms though.

Until recently i never knew there was a green charm

yeah green charms are not good
but still rare to find i have only 1 green charm and tons off others

You know,green charms being the rarest,they should sell for a pretty penny,but its a pity that they are so weak.
Rather it should be sold for a high price not becuase its weak,but becuase its like a collecters item.

Very rare,if not unique.

sorry. may i go back to guild related question. the chap at the bar beneath the pub in verdistis wil trade but never has anything interesting on him. when terminating the trading he tells me come back with more money next time. why is this? i have now over 250,000 gold but havent been to check for a while. does he pull out something spectacular when one has enough money or is it a ploy for players to collect more money?

suggestions? <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/beyond.gif" alt="" /> to arrive in the post. does it compare to DD

In a game started after installing the 1.34 patch, Finnigan will have a fairly good inventory, selling lockpicks, traps, potions (at least poison, IIRC) and miscellaneous equipment. Also in this case you can return the magic lockpicks he asks you to steal to complete the quest, then buy them back.
In games started with the unpatched version, or an earlier hotfix, he does not carry much, and returning the magic lockpicks is final (it is better not to complete the quest, IMNSHO).

BD is the same as DD, only different. <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/biggrin.gif" alt="" /> There are a lot of similarities, though the skill system has been changed and character movement / management is a little different with 2 characters to control. BD is a bit more linear, being divided into separate acts, but after the first act it is fairly non-linear within an act.

ok, this is reaaaaaally NOT about the guilds anymore, so if someone is confused or doesn't like it - mods, change the name of this topic

anywhoo... I read in the spoiler subject about the Larian armour and the 4 maps... ok, I found the first two of them and want to find the rest, but...
I don't know why, but I can't find the second map in my inventory!! I don't know what have I done with it, I couldn't sell it or throw away...
anybody got any ideas?

One of the maps is called a scroll (from the dwarven halls). Perhaps you have one map and the scroll?

If not and you can not find it;
Lost Items - guide and directory of inventory files

ok, thx. I had to play with the files, but it's ok.

btw, why does my reputation fall, when the imp council member teleports to the rest of the council?

Imps (and orcs) are the enemies of humans, so by helping one your reputation drops.

I stopped the war between the elves and dwarfs. Now I have to find some friggin' necklace to prove, that I love some elf (Elean - he isn't THAT pretty <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/biggrin.gif" alt="" /> ... ).
Where am I supposed to look for that crap?? (don't give me certain locations, but some tips <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smile.gif" alt="" /> ).

It was lost long long ago. You will never find it. But perhaps you can make him think otherwise... <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/winkwink.gif" alt="" />

what ???? hmmmmmmmmmm... let me thin...

aaawwwwww... forget it! that's my last quest before going to the wastelands, so I don't want to sit on it for a week. Just tell me what's it all about <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/biggrin.gif" alt="" />
<img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/devil.gif" alt="" />

EDIT: whoaaaah... this post started the third page... of MY topic <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/badsmile2.gif" alt="" />

Edit 2: forget about THAT either... I found out what to do and finished the last quest. I just looove FAQs and Walkthroughs <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/devil.gif" alt="" />