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Since recent events have shown that certain groups try to influence and censor developers.... can we get a boob-plate patch?

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i don't think it is ugly or stupid. We are talking about a fantasy game, so the argument about being practical is a bit silly, no? But in any case i would like the developer to decide how he wants to design the characters.

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in any case i would like the developer to decide how he wants to design the characters.


Then why bother posting the topic?

I'm pretty sure the developers will follow their own path anyway.

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Then why bother posting the topic?


because it is rumored (or more) that people who allegedly fight for more inclusiveness did apply pressure. There is no place for orthodoxy if you want to include a wider audience. I think it is an interesting topic to discuss.

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I thought they altered the armor due to a "sh*tstorm* from some stupid people..still regret it. NO censorship, it's their game the designer should have been respected.

And the other armor was WAAAAAY prettier.



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it's their game the designer should have been respected.


That is what i meant. There are good arguments that women are depicted unfairly and any criticism is definetly valid. But what i really dislike is pressure applied behind the scences without any discussion that forces a developer to take action. This has nothing to do with progressivness, that is called bullying and has to stop.

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I think it is an interesting topic to discuss.


Allright, point taken.

But rumors being rumors, I find it hard to believe that the developers would just do something because a part of the player base wants it.

I would assume that either they already wanted to do that, or they themselves don't really care on that topic. To a certain degree a smart developer listens to the feedback and then decides how to use that information.

That being said, I personally don't mind how the armour ingame looks, to me it's something insignificant. It does not alter gameplay in any way shape or form. I can see the developers changing it for the exact same reason.

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Doesn't the game already have "boobplate"? The actual plate armor is a fully covered chestplate, but the leather/mail armors are pretty skimpy.

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I stopped giggling about boobies in the sixth grade. I guess not all of us grow up.

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I stopped giggling about boobies in the sixth grade. I guess not all of us grow up.


This is the shaming i meant. I like boobs and i am not ashamed to admit that. Under the curtain of inclusiveness many of these arguments were made. True, there don't have to be skimpy outfits in this game, it is very fine as it is. You could also argue that women might be repelled by skimpy depictions. I could go on a tirade to label you stiffy or congratulate that you mastered the sixth grade or something, but that wouldn't get to anything nor is it the point.
The issue i take has more to do with how developers might be shamed to make certain descisions because people start shitstorms while hiding behind an allegedly higher moral position.
Any by the way my wife likes skimpy outfits too.

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Amen, women like sexy pictures too. It's only the SJWs with their agendas who mind it.

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I don't want to put some group in the pillory and i think it is very good there are people caring about social issues. My fear is only, that developers fear to make certain design descisions or announce anything controversial. The boob-plate was just an example because it is a hot topic.
I don't really think the game suffers from more modest depictions of characters. I just want to make sure developers don't get shamed. There are people pushing agenda from all sides. Games are art and art doesn't need to have any moral authority. Imagine Larian really would announce that they made a boob-plate patch. There would be people declaring them gods and people throwing death threats against them. This vitriol has to be adressed before there can be any serious discussion about what problems might be prevalent in the gaming community. I would argue that these problems aren't boob-plates or sexy depictions of characters.

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Well I'm sure the developers will be fine and they should do as they please when it comes down to appearance. Something is only a taboo because people make it one. Can give a million and one examples but I shall not stir it up too much. smile

People who want to push their agenda can push their agenda, seeing as Larian HQ is in Belgium I have faith in my neighbours to just say f*** all to the hypocritical knights of morality.

On a sidenote, topic turned out to be interesting/entertaining, so I do have to take back what I said earlier. *takes hat of*

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My wife loves skimpy outfits too and that is a wonderful thing! I just don't see a need to turn an RPG into Leisure suit Larry.

Maybe another reason I don't needs pixalated breasts is I actually have a wife? The internet is for porn after all. Why cartoon it when you can see the real thing? I'd rather have more characters and more story added than some 16 year old virgin fapping. Devs can only do so much on a budget.


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On a sidenote, topic turned out to be interesting/entertaining


Cool! claphands

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Maybe another reason I don't needs pixalated breasts is I actually have a wife?


Some people might need pixelated breast because they have a wife wink
Very true though, it doesn't really matter in a game like this. I like the art in D:OS like it is very much.

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Some people might need pixelated breast because they have a wife wink
Very true though, it doesn't really matter in a game like this. I like the art in D:OS like it is very much.


LOL! I love a little augmentation, brought it up but no.... sad

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Originally Posted by florps
i don't think it is ugly or stupid. We are talking about a fantasy game, so the argument about being practical is a bit silly, no? But in any case i would like the developer to decide how he wants to design the characters.

Being a fantasy setting or not has nothing to do with not breaking it's "rules".

It would be like wizards in harry potter sometimes forgetting their wands but casting spells anyway (I know there are some wizards who can cast spells without wands, but it's not all spells, and only a selected few wizards can).
Or a gunfight story where more often than not, people fire more bullets than physically can fit inside their cartridge, while still letting some people be out of ammo in the middle of a fight.

I don't know if you noticed, but D:OS does stand by it's own rules. There are many fantastic elements, sure! But the universe have it's own rules, which are respected to make a coherent story.

Oil burns, poison explodes, liquids get electrified, items are practical and there is physics!
Yes, we have superhuman feats! Warriors can spin their weapons and damage multiple opponents, jump so fast and so fierce that leave burning trails on the ground while reaching far out places. And those rules are not broken.

You can use physics to deal damage, fall high enough and you take damage, throw enemies in the air and they take damage, throw items at people and they take damage.
If you see an fully armored enemy, it's armor is high, people using only clothes have lower armor and you expect fire beasts to be either immune or have high fire resistance.

So, why is there no "boob plate"? Exactly because the game's universe rules wouldn't really fit with it.
I mean, how many fully platted woman there are in an area? How much resources does the city have? Why would the blacksmith even care about doing different armors for man and woman when they clearly don't have enough material to waste. And we are not even talking about the woman's armor being horrible for battle!
Everyone is complaining about people dying left and right, they don't have people to spare, and suggesting making different items that only fit a specific gender would make Aureus laugh at your face.

The game is alive, the city is alive, it's inhabitants are alive. Yes, it is a fantastic setting and as such you wouldn't be shocked to see a skimpy succubus, or a lustful enemy that uses it's look to get the upper hand. But when everything is so detailed having something like, the city guards, wearing skimpy outfits would just be a bucket of cold water on the player's face.

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A lot of armours have heavily accentuated wastes which are just as concave (and thus focusing force) as breast armour ... why don't the armour nerds ever complain about that?

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Fantasy in general has been dominated by boob-plate type of women since the mid 20th century or even earlier, the roots of modern fantasy. In Recent years, some game/movie developers/producers have tried to be more inclusive toward an increasing female audience (+male audience who also happen to be fed up with that crap) and have tried to do away with female tropes. If you try to make it appear like a large, vocal, oppressive are trying to force its views on the gaming industry or the oppressed, poor gamers who like to keep women's appearances to be limited to sexy side kicks, you're mistaken imo. You could count how many game titles/movies released 2014 have female protagonists that kick ass and see how many you get.

The brave thing is to keep boob plates done away with, not the other way around.

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