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Agreed, but here we are talking about builds that surpass the 21 AC without magic, as the OP wanted.
Loxodon (no matter what class)
• Natural Armor. You have thick, leathery skin. When you aren't wearing armor, your AC is 12 +your Constitution modifier. You can use your natural armor to determine your AC if the armor you wear would leave you with a lower AC. A shield's benefits apply as normal while you use your natural armor.
Pick a Loxodon with 20Con, 20 dex. Now you have 22 AC even naked. Now add a shield (+2 AC plus enchantment to reach +24AC), plus all the equipment you want, buffs, feats, etc.
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I am not an expert for 5E.
What makes druids so good?
In BG2 Jaheira was good for insect plague to stop everyone from casting and panic some of them.
Apart from stone skin she had nothing tanky, as far as I remember.
In 3E they had an animal companion and they could turn every spell into a summon monster spell.
In those games I almost never used shapeshift, Jaheira as fighter/druid was better with weapon and armor and in NWN2 the druid companion was mostly a heal and buff bot because there was no cleric early. Her badger was useless so I made him a dinosaur.
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What makes druids so good?
Nope they are not good. The word good is not enough. Hexblade warlocks are a good class. Life cleric/druids are a good multiclass. Moon druids are Cheat engine characters. Because.... "Combat Wild Shape
When you choose this circle at 2nd level, you gain the ability to use Wild Shape on your turn as a bonus action, rather than as an action.
Additionally, while you are transformed by Wild Shape, you can use a bonus action to expend one spell slot to regain 1d8 hit points per level of the spell slot expended."...And "When you transform, you assume the beast’s hit points and Hit Dice. When you revert to your normal form, you return to the number of hit points you had before you transformed. However, if you revert as a result of dropping to 0 hit points, any excess damage carries over to your normal form. For example, if you take 10 damage in animal form and have only 1 hit point left, you revert and take 9 damage. As long as the excess damage doesn’t reduce your normal form to 0 hit points, you aren’t knocked unconscious.""Archdruid At 20th level, you can use your Wild Shape an unlimited number of times." You think that is not OP enough? Now add this to the classç "Elemental Wild Shape
At 10th level, you can expend two uses of Wild Shape at the same time to transform into an air elemental, an earth elemental, a fire elemental, or a water elemental."
"Primal Strike
Starting at 6th level, your attacks in beast form count as magical for the purpose of overcoming resistance and immunity to nonmagical attacks and damage."And now pile all the buffs, spells, feats, features, equipment etc you want over it and start playing your favourite campaign in god mode.
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I am not an expert for 5E.
What makes druids so good?
In BG2 Jaheira was good for insect plague to stop everyone from casting and panic some of them.
Apart from stone skin she had nothing tanky, as far as I remember.
In 3E they had an animal companion and they could turn every spell into a summon monster spell.
In those games I almost never used shapeshift, Jaheira as fighter/druid was better with weapon and armor and in NWN2 the druid companion was mostly a heal and buff bot because there was no cleric early. Her badger was useless so I made him a dinosaur. As Vic pointed out, it is because of shapeshifting. The way it works is that your hit points are replaced by those of your wild shape. And at level 20 you gain unlimited uses of shapeshift per day, and can transform into an earth elemental at will and gain 126 hit points and also take half damage from nonmagical attacks.
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OK, now it depends on what animals you can transform into and what stats or attacks they have.
Uff, this is too much to remember.
I started pathfinder and got crushed completely. Then I did lots of reading and I still sucked.
And once you understand most of it, a new game comes with new rules.
I play only computer PRGs.
Its impressive how PnP players can remember and calculate all this.
Are you all crazy nerds like in "The Gamers?" I got the movie for free on gog.
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OK, now it depends on what animals you can transform into and what stats or attacks they have.
Uff, this is too much to remember.
I started pathfinder and got crushed completely. Then I did lots of reading and I still sucked.
And once you understand most of it, a new game comes with new rules.
I play only computer PRGs.
Its impressive how PnP players can remember and calculate all this.
Are you all crazy nerds like in "The Gamers?" I got the movie for free on gog. The attack part is kinda irrelevant. You are not very strong, but pretty much unkillable. Not even ancient dragons can deal 100+ damage per turn. So you transform, take damage, transform again in the next turn and regain all your hit points.
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Does not really matter what attacks you do, because thanks to primal strike, all your attacks in any shapeshift are magical and may surpass the resistances of the target, and if not, you just change to a beast or elemental form that does it. You have lots of them to choose (over 40)
And since you can change into a damage-resistant 126HP elemental every turn, if they do not manage to kill you twice (your beast form and your druid form) in the same turn, you regain full heath 6 seconds later.
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Well, this looks indeed like god mode.
After some more reading the closest thing I saw that fits my idea of a fighter with magic buffs was:
A hexblade warlock with pact of the blade.
You have martial weapons, medium armor and shield, defensive and offensive spells, a second attack and most importently: You can use charisma for both spell and weapon attacks.
A high charisma main char looks also good for social skills.
Well, I should stop speculating for now and wait until we know what is actually in the game.
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Away from my books but:
... You are wielding a weapon with the Two-Handed property. As far wielding a weapon with the Two-Handed property with a shield, I'm thinking a DM isn't going to go along with that (Though it looks like the Quarterstaff is Versatile). So is the spear now. I first heard it on a Dungeon Dudes You Tube video, about Polearm Master +Sentinel. D&D Beyond confirms also it: https://www.dndbeyond.com/equipment/spear and Polearm Master When you take the Attack action and attack with only a glaive, halberd, quarterstaff, or spear, you can use a bonus action to make a melee attack with the opposite end of the weapon. This attack uses the same ability modifier as the primary attack. The weapon’s damage die for this attack is a d4, and it deals bludgeoning damage.
While you are wielding a glaive, halberd, pike, quarterstaff, or spear, other creatures provoke an opportunity attack from you when they enter your reach. I have a Spear and Shield wielding Mountain Dwarf War Cleric 2/ Fighter Battle Master build ready for full release The Spartan Crusader: https://www.dndbeyond.com/profile/Merlex/characters/27043085
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Hallo
Thanks to the virus I have lots of time, so I read the players handbook and thought about what char to make.
No, I am not ill, just bored.
While many things are still open, we know
- Max level is 10
- We will get multi classing and feats
- short rest stuff will be per encounter, resting = long rest
- I limit myself to stuff from the players handbook because that will be used for certain
Often my first char is some kind of tank, so I thought: fighter (battle master) 6, wizard or sorcerer 4
race: variant human or something with +2 strengh
stats: main stat is strengh, good con, need 13 int or cha for multi classing
feats: polearm master ( I read it works with quarterstaff/spear + shield), sentinel (bind enemies to you), war caster ( cast with weapon+shield, concentration advantage)
combat style: duellist (should work with weapon+shield)
spells: shield, mirror image, blur
combat maneuvers: riposte, parry, fainting attack
If I use wizard or sorcerer depends on the bloodlines that can be selected, wizard would recover 2 spell slots after each battle at lv10, so I can use blur every fight.
The idea:
- Defense has increasing returns. If you give a char with bad defense a bit more he will still get hit often. If you give a char with high defense a bit more and magic buffs he should be extremely hard to hit. Heavy armor+shield is a good start. Shield spell can give you +5 more ( The handbook does not mention if it stacks with having a shield equipped, but even if it does not stack it is usefull until you have a shield+3.) Blur gives enemies disadvantage, which is +5 on average and a huge reduction of the chance to get crit. It requires concentration, but you are hard to hit, fighters are profient in con and you have advantage. Mirror image can avoid hits too, but I would give blur priority if I cannot have both.
- With polearm master, sentinal and riposte you can attack enemies when they aproach you, when they try to get away from you (including jump/withdraw) and when they miss you. These attack prevent the enemy from moving at all for the next round. I will be hard to hit and I can reduce damage taken with parry.
questions to the experts for the PnP 5E rules:
- Does polearm master mean that you attack with both ends of the weapon with every attack you make, including AoO or riposte? I have read that it works with quarterstaff/spear+shield, but you have no extra reach then.
- How many AoO can you make? Is it per round or per turn?
- Does duellist style add +2damage to both attacks of the weapon if you have polearm master and quarterstaff/spear+shield?
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Does it make sense to have a specialized tank in the party?
My other chars would be a sniper rogue ( 1 level of fighter for archery style and profiency with longbow/heavy crossbow), a single class cleric (hopefully profient with reach weapons so he can stay behind the tank) and a single class wizard or sorcerer.
If you tell me that having max damage is more useful than a tank, I would use a half orc fighter (champion)/barbarien (berserker) with heavy weapon specialist. More crits, more damage with crits, more attacks when enraged and you attack again if you crit or kill. If you can get the enemy to attack you, or try to get past you, it makes total sense to have a tank. I ties up the enemy for others to snipe at them, not to mention helping to create advantage for Rogues in the party. As for spears and quarterstaffs not having reach; if you play a Fighter Battle Master, you can take Lunging Attack Maneuver gives you reach for that attack. The Goading Attack Maneuver is good for getting the enemy to attack you, instead of your Rogues and spellcasters. First 2 maneuvers I took on my Spear/ Shield tank build.
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Hello there, I have a question about the drow race. I'm planning on making a drow warlock and I thought the drows recieved +2 dex elf bonus and +1 cha sub race bonus. However, it seems like in baldurs gate 3 the drow is being treated like a separate race altogether and I don't see anywhere that they receive +2 dexterity. I could be wrong but I thought the drows were a sub race to the elves. If the drows don't get +2 dex and only +1 cha, that's gonna be a deal breaker. All other races have bigger racial bonuses.
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Not all racial bonuses were implemented yet in the game build used for the demo.
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Thanks for your answer, @Raze !
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What I am reading here is people making min/max characters. You would be banned from our group if playing PnP. There are no perfect people in the world there should be no perfect characters. Now in a video game who cares. I really hope they include weaknesses and bad character traits to counter Mr Universe tanks, etc. We should be powerful, we're the heroes after-all, but we should have something to add character to our character :) Especially if this goes the route that Neverwinter Nights did with DM run servers.
I haven't decided on a character build yet but I always liked druids.
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What I am reading here is people making min/max characters. You would be banned from our group if playing PnP. There are no perfect people in the world there should be no perfect characters. Now in a video game who cares. I really hope they include weaknesses and bad character traits to counter Mr Universe tanks, etc. We should be powerful, we're the heroes after-all, but we should have something to add character to our character  Especially if this goes the route that Neverwinter Nights did with DM run servers. I haven't decided on a character build yet but I always liked druids. Not at all, a minmax character is just someone who is good at what he is supposed to be good at. I don't understand why my Assassin would not be good at killing enemies, it seems illogical to me. To be better at killing, my character has to forgo being better at other aspects, therefore, he is far from perfect.
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In the reveal, there is a fight against a dwarf that wears a full plate... Where is this??? i have watched every video i can find on BG3 and can't find this dwarf you speak of...
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What I am reading here is people making min/max characters. You would be banned from our group if playing PnP. There are no perfect people in the world there should be no perfect characters. Now in a video game who cares. I really hope they include weaknesses and bad character traits to counter Mr Universe tanks, etc. We should be powerful, we're the heroes after-all, but we should have something to add character to our character Especially if this goes the route that Neverwinter Nights did with DM run servers. I haven't decided on a character build yet but I always liked druids. I'd hardly call a spear & Shield melee character a perfect Mr. Universe tank. If I wanted to min/max, I would go Variant Human wielding a glaive. I like concept builds. The first character I'm going to play is a Light Domain Cleric, which starts as a strong blaster but is outclassed by Warlocks, Sorcerers, and Wizards as levels increased. As for flaws, she wants everyone to convert to worshiping Helm, destroying all false deities in the process. A true fanatic. I have a Abjurer 8/ Warlock 2 melee mage I plan on playing as well. Not exactly optimal. And if Fallen Aasimars ever get in the game, I have a planned build of her seeking redemption as a Paladin. But she fails and becomes a Warlock and breaks her oath: https://www.dndbeyond.com/profile/Merlex/characters/28200623 . A Wood Elf Hunter Ranger 4/ Kensei Monk 6, who has imaginary conversations with his longbow. If I wanted to min/max him it would be a hand crossbow. Don't get me wrong, I will optimize my characters as much as I can. But many of my spellcasting builds, currently at 16 builds- 15 with some spellcasting, will lose at least 5th level spells.
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