Larian Studios Forums Baldur's Gate III Baldur's Gate III - General Why Did Bane Get Lose His Godhood?

OK. I have participated in the past on the forum but I can tell you one of the reasons I don't like to is because the uniformity and consensus thinking here. If you have a different opinion, for example, that Astarion is a horrible character or that the character creator could be improved significantly, people jump on you, dimiss you and don't engage with what you post. In short, it is participation as long as you post what everyone else agrees with but sure I can post. Why not.

Also, I have been engaging with people on the topic of the thread, which most people on the thread are not doing, instead they just showed up to tell me how terrible I am, which is fair enough.

I am actually interested in bane, im especially intrested in the dead three, if you want to talk/start a thread about them id love to read it, and start a conversation.

I dont really watch lore videos on YouTube because i browse the forums at work inbetween jobs, so can only read what you have to say, so unless its wrote in the forum im Unlikely able to enjoy any of the content you create

I personally think reddit is more hive mind then bg3 forums, iv said plenty of times im unhappy with larians direction, with out getting jumped on

I also dont like simp characters, only fang and all the punny crap is just cringy for me

No one ever barks at me for thinking this way, sometimes people say they like stuff i dont and imo thats fine

With a different account? Because with this one you surely haven't.

That's not just an inaccurate description of this forum, it's the exact opposite of the truth.
Astarion may have his supporters but he's nowhere near as popular here as he is in the subreddit. And the shortcomings of the character creator here have been discussed several times. In fact, we were just talking about it minutes ago in the other active thread of this section.

Yeah, guess what? You don't get the luxury to DEMAND people to stop commenting on your past behavior (which went on for months) at the drop of a hat just because you made a couple of replies NOW after being called out.

And for context you should probably keep in mind that "Self-promotion being overlooked as long as someone engages with other users" is *already* the most forgiving approach about this type of behavior.
If you were in big popular forums like Resetera, Neogaf or Something Awful, as well as several thematic subreddits, it would equate to an immediate ban no matter what. Even at the first offense. I've seen even DEVELOPERS banned for self-promoting the game they were working on.

@Spell&Spield, I’m here to chastise you further.

You’ve started functionally the same thread fifteen times, never participating in any discussion therein; upon being called out on this iffy behavior, you immediately respond with accusations of irrational anger; you then publish two short posts about the actual topic and use that as a moral shield to prevent further criticism.

It’s hard to see you as a good faith actor, especially when your video barely mentions BG3 at all! It features twice : once at the end of the video to say “maybe BG3’s story will become DnD cannon”; once in the video’s title to game Youtube’s algorithm.

Not cool.

How much longer do you wish to castigate me now? I get it. You all have made your point. I think you get off on it, which is fine but don't pretend otherwise. We can use this thread to endlessly discuss what a horrible human being I am or you can just let me address the actual topic with people are interested since you clearly are not. I GET WHAT YOU ARE SAYING. what else do you want me to do? I won't do it anymore. Will reminding me for 79th time of my sins improve anything? I doubt it. So let me discuss the topic which you have no interest in please.

Basically you have a very serious situation: for 30+ years WOTC have been tearing up the cosmology they have created. In 1987 the Forgotten Realms campaign set was released in 1357 DR. Shortly thereafter you have the Time of Troubles, which always seemed odd because they began with a relatively stable world and almost immediately turned it into chaos but back then I had faith that there was a method to the madness and the calamity, which was very interesting, I am the first to admit, as I read the Avatar Trilogy and enjoyed it. When the dust had settled the pantheon had remained much the same but save for those who would come to be called the Dead Three. In conjunction with the original BG series we found out that Bhaal had had a back-up plan to preserve himself should he be slain and this story, first told in a video game, was later canonised. Myrkul had fled to a Netherese artifact called the Crown of Horns and enjoyed a pseudo-existence from it, manipulating foolish mortals who sought to wear it and Bane was initially quiet.

Of course Cyric initially took control of the churches of the Dead Three as the Lord of Three Crowns but as you probably know soon fell to madness and Bane’s son Iyachtu Xvim took over mantle of his father but it turned out that he was just a seed for the resurrection of Bane who rose from the smouldering corpse of his son in 1372 DR and quickly reestablished his church with full authority.

Mystra gets murdered in 1385 DR by Cyric with Shar’s assistance and the whole world is shattered by the Spellplague; other gods die in the aftermath such as Helm and Tyr, among others and WOTC basically tore down the entire deific edifice they had built perhaps because they had thought there were simply too many gods but despite of all this Bane persisted and was one of the few deities who was listed as a Greater God in the terrible 4th edition. Fast forward to the Second Sundering, which is just WOTC trying to fix the mess they created and Bane, who had survived it all and was the de facto deity of organised evil in the Realms, having retained greater godhood throughout his time up until now, well, he gets demoted to glorified quasi-deity status and is basically a mortal.

It sort of makes sense with Myrkul and Bhaal given that they only fully returned after WOTC retconned all the changes they had made but for Bane it makes very little sense and demands an explanation, one which has been less than forthcoming to put it mildly. Some people have put forward the theory that Bane wanted to be mortal because it allows him greater freedom but that seems to be a stretch; the mortal who strove for godhood over two millennia ago now wants to be what he sought to leave behind? I think it is possible that the main plot of BG3 might reveal the truth of what happened and that WOTC has greenlit Larian to take over that story so that it might become canon later. Anyway, my thoughts on the matter.

I for one do NOT mind your threads and links, but then again I just look through and move on. I HAVE read the forum rules and DIDN'T see any violation here. He is not posting the same topics and videos over and over, so no fault here. For those complaining, well, tough luck, if you don't like it then do not read and participate... I, myself, might not be very pleased with it, but there is nothing breaking the rules in such behavior... At least in my understanding of the rules.





I am with you on that , there is a group of vocal people here who would do just that. They have their opinions and anything different is unacceptable/uneducated/tasteless and such.. Don't let that get to you.

P.S. We should all try to get along.

Well, they are attempting to interpret my behaviour as trolling, which it certainly was not as in not a technical violation of any rule. Frankly, I think they just enjoyed dogpiling on me because they view this place as their property or something like that and I had tresspassed. I appreciate your thoughts and unsurprisingly I agree with you.; if someone were posting links, I would just ignore them or not click on them. I am still reluctant to post for reasons I have already cited. I might reconsider posting in light of this and we will see how these upstanding members of the community behave then.

I don't have any problems with these posts; in fact, I enjoy the links because they're BG3 content. I also think the OP has a good speaking voice which goes well with the videos.

In general, I agree that there are a handful of people here who try to bully their opinions about, but, in fairness, those opinions lean more toward the negative, venomous side.

They don't exactly praise Astarion, for example. It's more like they condemn everything Larian does as childish or inept or incompetent or whatever. I do agree that it comes across as overly angry.

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Regarding Bane, Bhaal, and Myrkul... I've always enjoyed these three more than Cyric. I remember reading those "all in one" novels years ago and thinking the ending was misplaced.

Thanks you for your words.

I agree about Cyric. It is pretty obvious that WOTC realised they screwed up with Cyric and the hard evidence for this is is basically the fact that after Cyric murdered Mystra, he was put in an inescapable prison for 1,000 years, which means he won't be seeing much action any time soon. WOTC definitely regrets the decision to introduce Cyric. That said I can understand why they might have thought at the time that would be a cool idea to have this upstart shake things up but in the end people were always more enamoured of the reliable and traditional evil of the Dead Three.

See? a little argument and you're part of the community! How hard was that?

Thanks i enjoyed that history

I wonder if bane wants to take the path to godhood again, see if he can become even stronger then he was.

Yeah, well, we can't really focus on few fringe cases, can we?

Otherwise we could also make the outrageous claim that some people here are constantly trying to guilt-trip and shame users for voicing ANY criticism, not to mention their habit to dismiss ANY feedback as something coming "forum dwellers trying to be armchair designers" (Sounds familiar? *wink* *wink* *nudge* *nudge*).

I do also agree that these, too, come off as overly catty and bitter. Which is arguably a form of anger?

P.S. Didn't want to drag this crap any longer, but since we are on it, before leaving the thread for good...


Maybe owning your mistake from the get-go, next time, BEFORE trying to blame people who called you out for "having anger issues" or "getting off on it"? Which is a textbook case of "shifting the blame".

If the theory is true that he wants his freedom then probably not but I don't buy into that theory.

I think both the complainers and Spell&Shield have a point. But Spell&Shield's point is more salient.
The people complaining are trying to get you to contribute to the forum, Spell&Shield. I think that's it. Or at least I hope that's it. They're just really bad at communicating it. You have ideas (and you're passionate enough to edit them into a video!) and a lot of people on the forum would like to see you talk to us as well.

To the people complaining: This forum CAN BE TOXIC AT TIMES. There's a reason I lurked for a year before contributing anything. Sometimes people get so wrapped up in their opinions on here that we go after each other in ways that are completely unnecessary. It would have been much more effective in encouraging community engagement if forum-posters had addressed the issue in a positive manner, but instead a lot of us (myself included last time) went after Spell&Shield, which isn't really fair, given they did not have a chance to defend themselves.

I for one would like to apologize to you, Spell&Shield. There really isn't a problem here, but greater engagement would be nice. That's all.

This, i've never even watched one of your videos, I make it a point to not watch videos without a summary in the post, so my sentiment wasn't anything personal, it was just a "come on, at least pretend to want to communicate with us if you want us to watch your videos".

I will bear this in mind. Thanks for explaining.

I Agree, I also think Spell is now engaging and we should all just move on to the actual topic of this thread - dont think the past mistake needs to be talked about anymore and I dont think hes going to post links with out speaking again.

Id rather keep talking about dnd lore, and any other interesting bg3 stuff.




the dead three all wanted to be gods on the mortal planes didn't they?, is that not the ultimate form of "freedom"?

I still have a question.

@Spell&Spield, you believe BG3 might answer one of DnD’s mysteries. Why this one in particular? The line of logic you use could be applied to any facet of Faerun or the Nine Hells.

Did you find any link to Bane in the game? If you did, the video makes no mention of it. I’m fairly sure his name appears in some book about the dead three, why not show that as a still image?

To be clear, this feels like angle-shooting. It’s a way of monetizing the conversation rather than meaningfully contributing to it, without technically breaking any rules.

If I’m wrong, if you just needed a little prodding to come out of your shell, then I apologize and welcome you to the forum with open arms. You’ll find I’m a friendly pushover who’ll agree with anyone in the long run.

If I’m not, then it’s important to plant a flag here for reference. That’s how you fight angle-shooting: recording repeated offenses.