Larian Studios Forums Baldur's Gate III Baldur's Gate III - General What's you biggest fear about the final BG3 release?

The "Spoilers" are my attempt at respecting the context and relevance of the initial thread, "What's your biggest fear about the final BG3 release?" Because this is a forum for a video game, but I am still providing my two cents. But...

This:

This isn't a coherent argument. First, WOTC aren't gods. What's constructive about saying, "I like X, Y, or Z" is that it represents a dataset of players that have enjoyed a particular mechanic, of which Icelyn is a small blip, not the elected representative. This point is as inane as rulebook-thumping to a DM in a tabletop setting saying, "Buh-Buh-Buh the RULEBOOK SAYS." When WOTC maintains that the DM is the final arbiter of the game. They say you need to be super-duper careful when giving people two spells? So what? Again, not gods, and anyone can intuit what makes something fun or not fun on their own. And the same point has been made over and over again. "I appeal to third party, so my tastes are more objective and better than yours." IT SOUNDS RIDICULOUS. At least other people on this thread are making arguments about WHY WOTC sets it up that way. This is just an appeal to corporate authority veiled as "But they're like the devs," except they're not, Larian is.

I don't know how to explain to you that taking pleasure in heroin and kicking cats is not comparable to enjoying a mechanic in a video game. And that it's really hard to frame a coherent argument in which you can prove that someone's opinion or taste of cRPG/TTRPG is "BAD" or "WRONG" or "HARMFUL TO EVERYONE WHO BOUGHT THE GAME." Icelyn's money is worth just as much as your money. Icelyn paid just as much as you did. Icelyn probably plays the game as much as you do. I don't know what world that you live in where you imagine someone's idiosyncratic, taste-based opinion of a multifaceted piece of media being voiced is comparable in harming a group to crossing a picket line, or comparable to the danger of heroin. It's hyperbolic and hysterical. It also erroneously imagines that Larian developers don't have their own brain and their own tastes and that they are somehow incapable of parsing through many people's tastes to make a product. Because God forbid our feedback be too "wrong" or "bad" or confusing for them. You know, the people who have been making video games for decades. You have noticed that Larian can still actively ignore the things the community gives heavy feedback to, right? They're in the drivers seat, not the forum posters.

Finally, finding Tuco's passion about the chain system to be endearing so that I sometimes mention it as a joke is not being a troll. It's called being human. You should try it.

I did find the "no u" part of the post to be amusing though. Clearly touched an emotional nerve without touching the intellectual one.

Edit: On the matter of suicide because it somehow entered the discussion above... I am against anyone harming themselves in any capacity. I can't believe I have to write that out.
Edit 2: I'M NOT EVEN IN FAVOR OF THE MULTI-CASTING IN A TURN, I just think the discourse surrounding someone else's idiosyncratic taste-based opinion veered into the realm of the unreasonable and unarguable.
Edit 3: My statement in the previous post wasn't, "I hate Tuco and his opinions and talk about something he hates to get him riled up." My statement was designed to say, "Tuco frustrates me sometimes, but I still value his opinions on this forum and agree with his game philosophy for the most part. Also, I find his strong passion about the chain system to be so endearing that I mentioned it once as a joke."
Edit 4: When I say I am trying to respect the context and relevance of the initial thread in using spoiler tags, what I mean is that I am voluntarily collapsing my posts because they are off-topic and I do not want to take up space or time from the people here for the thread. It is also my hope that by containing my forum-complaints within spoiler tags that I can keep the thread from getting locked for bickering. Because I respect the importance of the topic and people's interest in it. And right to contribute to it.

For the record, Tuco and Ragitsu,

I am in no way, shape, or form against your right to criticize Icelyn. Nine times out of ten, when it comes to qualitative mechanics in RPG systems, I am on your side of the argument. If you hate her approach to game philosophy, rip into it, please, by all means. If you think her views trivialize difficulty, say that. If you think her views encourage easy exploitation of any given mechanic, say that. I am completely in favor of qualitative debate, even the harshest and most vicious and most passionate kinds. I am not in favor of insults or namecalling based on people's opinions. That's it. If Icelyn is the Antichrist of your game philosophy, that's valid. But I would much rather a hundred posts explaining why you think that she's an Antichrist instead of a hundred posts (exaggerating for effect here) simply calling her the devil. And I would be happy to openly agree with either of you in the forum if you raised such points.

On people coming late to the discussion: Yes. I've been on the forum as a lurker for about a year, poster for about half. If it's been going on for longer than that, I imagine disagreeing with Icelyn all the time and thinking her points are harmful for the game would be very frustrating over time. I admit, I don't know the full history here, only what I assume to be most of it. That part's on me. I don't want everyone to be positive sunshine and rainbows. People who are mad that they aren't getting the experience they paid for in advance are allowed to voice their opinions. But insults (and really, specifically just the insults) get us nowhere and end up locking threads. I don't know about you guys, but I DON'T want this thread to be locked because I think people's most significant anxieties about the full release represent a VITAL FORM OF FEEDBACK. Perhaps some of the most important feedback as we reach late stages of development.

Edit: Added spoiler tags in response to Boblaw's correct concerns about drama getting the thread shut down. My goal is to say my two cents without derailing the thread. This is actually an important topic and I am not specifically trying to derail it. While I stand by what I said, I somewhat regret getting involved in the first place at this point and will certainly regret it if the thread gets shut down.