Larian Studios Forums Baldur's Gate III Baldur's Gate III - General Another survey: Childern killing poll.

Hey,
Ok, clarification ---- I want the devs to give us their vision (option 1) but with the option to chose on a future play through.

SOrry off-topic: Ok, well not intentional, I simply believed them to be 'thieflings' , would make sense, right ?

As far as portmanteaus go, it's quite nice!

Fallout 3 had the same issue. The kids in Megaton had to be made unkillable.

I believe Germany for 1 would ban the game outright if it allowed players to kill kids. Some other countries as well. Larian is NOT going to change that in BG3 or they would be cut off from select markets.

No. Fallout 1/2 have no problems in Germany. That games are flat out banned is an urban myth. But no idea what would happen if a Twitter Wokie or "think of the children trumpist screams about it with all the moral panic going on in the US.

Interesting. I was understanding Black Isle had to release versions with the kids removed to sell in Germany.

Its just survey ...
All i want to know is people prefferences, and possibly they reasoning behind it ... maybe aim some moders at best.

Thats why i didnt even pick "suggestions and feedback" part of forum.
So what would, or would not Larian do isnt really relevant here.

I chose kill anything. Not that I want to, mind you, but invincible children of any kind make invincible weapons you can throw at enemies. I still remember picking up the tiefling kid and throwing him at the harpies. They had killed him, and I raised him from the dead by throwing him. Because the game won't let players kill tiefling kids, it brought him back to life if I did damage to him. Dumb.

Do Hatchlings/Wyrmlings count as "children"?

I’d include juveniles of any sentient race. But it depends why you’re asking. I’d guess that censorship/classification rules would probably treat less human(oid) children differently, not that I know exactly what the rules are.

I voted 'kill everything!' I can see that Larian would not want to do this though, since someone would latch onto it and it would be blown out of all proportion (I am not sure what rating the game has?). A pity, since having unkillable NPCs is very inconsistent.

It has an 18 (Mature) rating in the UK. Not sure about other countries. One of the many things I love about RPG's, they tend to be aimed at mature gamers which means for the most part, fewer of the "family friendly" nerfing/sanitizing pressures are present.

It's Mature in the US. Frankly, MANY families in the US wouldn't be phased by the killing of tiefling children. Parents let their kids watch Return of the King at very young ages with decapitated heads and eyeballs popping out. BG3 is tame compared to some of the stuff parents here are letting their kids watch these days. I was a kids' pastor for years. I heard all about what parents let their kids do. Call of Duty, Battlefield, etc... They're more of a norm here for kids even as young as 6 or 7. It's sad, but true.

So, my point is, it wouldn't be a big deal in terms of censorship if they allowed tiefling kids deaths. Again, do I want to kill them? Nope. Even when I played my evil Drow sorcerer, I was glad the goblins did the job for me. Do I think tiefling kids should be able to die? Yeah. No character should be invincible unless they're like Withers and have a GOOD reason to be invincible.

Mature isn’t the highest rating a game can get though. Return of the King is an odd comparison - those were PG-13 films. It has a lot of violence but how it is presented and against whom is rather important. I was very squeamish at the time, and had no issues watching LotR trilogy. I found original Star Wars trilogy more violent then LotR.

It is a curious limitation though - it has so much “mature” content I find it difficult to believe Larian would worry about the game being inappropriate for young audience. There specifically created a limitation, though, so there must be a reason for it.

I recall the "young audience" was a factor in the previous Baldur's Gate editions. Many people posted how their kids would come over and watch while they were playing, and in many cases it grew into a family event. When a child sees an adult engrossed in an activity, it can't help but be keenly interested. The best way to cull the next generation of gamers is to have their parents teach them.

Right. ROTK was PG-13 with decapitated heads and ghosts with eyeballs hanging out of their faces. Not exactly kid friendly material. BG3 is Mature which is the equivalent of rated R.

My point is that the game's rating should have no bearing on whether players can kill kids or not. If they make it so players can kill tiefling kids, it isn't going to suddenly ruin Larian sales or cause an issue with the game's rating.

Now. That said. I'm a parent. When my kids were younger, I wouldn't let them play games or watch me play games with content like BG3's. Whether we can kill tiefling kids or not, that's only one small portion of the game's maturity rating. Sex scenes, duergar cursing like sailors, blood, guts, severed heads and limbs... This is not a game for younger audiences. So, why are we even talking about rating in terms of whether a game like this should allow killing kids or not?

I'd also like to point out that the original games allowed you to attack anyone and everyone, including kids. You could select the Attack command and then click on the target and start attacking them. Sure. There were usually consequences. But you could do it. So why wouldn't you be able to do it in BG3? Why are people having such an issue with it in this game but not the originals?

Consequences are part of the deal ... welcomed one, speaking for myself.
Unless it would be done as badly as it is when you attack Kagha, your whole party get stuck in combat, and few NPCs run out, since they are still in real time ... or if you kill Ragzlin, where whole camp somehow supernaturaly know that he is dead ... that is stupid. :-/

"We used to be able to do 'x'" isn't exactly a good argument for why something should be allowed.

For the topic at hand though, I voted for kids of all races should be immortal because no matter how obvious it would be to be able to kill everyone in sight, they will never make kids killable due to the political agenda world we live in.

Although I do not think about killing children myself nor does it bother me whether they do restrict it or not, I am always an advocate for consistency and fair treatment. If one race is killable, the other should be too. If one isn't, then the other shouldn't be too. Otherwise it breaks immersion of in-game realism when rules are inconsistent.

So for the sake of consistency which always ends up affecting world immersion, children of all races should be made immortal and permanently run away if attacked.

Even though the goblin kids are absolutely volatile, destructive and full of hate with no ounce of remorse, I still go out of my way to knock them out rather than just outright kill them. For consistency with the in-game rules, but most of all my character who does not kill children, even if there is an option to do so.