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Which subclass of paladin am I supposed to take?
I dunno much about dnd lore but justice and honor don't seem to match for this combo.

What do you guys recommend?

Honestly?
Wait for full release. :-/

Neither option right now fits Lolth ... unless you want to keep your oath only for first two minutes of game.

Paladin = Good or Evil and you can only start as good
so your first option is make a drizzt type and play as goody or make a good pally that turns to the dark side as soon as hitting the beach by say murder some helpless fishers digging out a mind... actually Larian dropped them so never mind

Fisher removed for some reason. Murder the Tieflings near Lazael(sp).

I don't want to roleplay as evil but less of a holier than thou asshole 🤣

Reading the paladin dialogue... they are just so obnoxious

Paladins have always been that way

In the original D&D rules Paladins could only be Lawful/Good and follow appropriate divinities. There was no moral greyness, you lost your divine powers if you strayed from L/G in your actions, unless you performed atonement specified by your deity.

For evil deities like Lolth, there was an alternative class called the Blackguard that had similar divine powers, but oriented towards Chaotic/Evil. Blackguards seem to have disappeared in official 5e, so I guess oathbreaker is as near to Blackguard as you will get in BG3.

Although, I notice that patch 9 notes say that Minthara is now a Paladin, and she is from Lolth-loving Menzoberranzan, which seems to not fit the 5e class definition So who knows what will be available when the game releases.

Justice and Honor can mean very different things from different points of view. As for being less holier-than-thou , I guess the best you can do is avoid those dialogue options...a bit lame.

Oathbreak fills the role of Blackguard, but Oathbreakers aren't really required to be evil (outside the DMG suggesting they are filled with darkness and fallen Paladins). Some of the supplements material have Paladin subclass that fit evil gods. For a Lolth follower, either Conquest or the Paladin Of the Crown (for a Paladin that focus on his duty/loyalty to his Drow House) would fit I think. But that's not in the early access and not in the PhB so probably not the release game either. There is a small hope for Of the Crown since the Oathbreaker Knight was one thought. Vengeance can twisted via the Paladin's perception of what is the greater evil (which would change greatly based on your culture), but that might be too much work to implement for a video game.

Minthara was switched to Paladin, but, I haven't checked myself, I believe she is an Oathbreaker, which makes since, she was a Lolth follower before switching to the Absolute. So her pre-Absolute Paladin subclass could have been anything. By her behavior, I'm going to guess it was Conquest...

I believe Wolfheart during one of his streams recently said that abilities that Minthara uses in combat are abilities from the Oath of vengeance subclass, but he can be wrong of course and Oathbreaker may have the same abilities. It is interesting if Oath of vengeance paladins will have the same criteria to break their oath as others.

Corect me if i remember it wrong ... but i believe Wolfheart have all 3 types of Paladins in that playtrough.

Yes. So he is probably right. And considering Minthara's back story - Oath of vengeance fits her extremely well, I think

Has anyone tried Drow Paladin and could tell me how the encounter with Nymessa and Damays plays out? Because normally all they get is an Intimidation or Attack option, so I'm curious how a Drow Paladin comes into play with their Oaths ^^

Oathbreaker use Oathbreaker DMG abilities and spells list.

And after reading your post, I went to check (abusing tadpole powers to avoid fights) and Minthara is indeed Vengeance. She used Vow of Enmity and Hold Person. Oathbreaker doesn't have either.

Why didn't they make Vengeance available to us???

Maybe because the subclass itself is ready, but it has different criteria to lose your oath in comparison with other subclasses, and these interactions can be undeveloped. So you would pick the Oath of vengeance and could not become Oathbreaker, which can be frustrating.