Larian Studios Forums Baldur's Gate III Baldur's Gate III - Suggestions & Feedback WOW so Baldur's Gate has gone from fun GAMe to borderline cartoon porn?

Sounds easier to offer Niara position of Executive Intimiste scenes Director.
I believe she would have lot to say about other companions aswell.

I mean, lots of companies are hiring between talented moders doesnt they?

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Just want to state, even tho its not really related to this topic ...
That its kinda shame that so many pasionate people who have lots to say about the game will not participate in testing rest of the game, bcs studio is simply too far for them to reach.

Thanks for the kind words folks ^.^ I'd totally do it...

In seriousness though, I don't live anywhere near any of their hiring locations, and I don't travel easily. Giving my feedback here, and to Larian directly, is the most I can really do ^.^

The main thing that I hope my work on this content has helped convince them of is to take the time to consult with other people knowledgeable on the topics in order to do it well - professionals that they *can* get into their offices and have proper back and forth conversations with, in the way that someone like me can't. Not just folks who are specialists in relation to scene direction, choreography and cinematography for intimate sequences, but also simply talking to people from various partnering groups, including men who sleep with men and women who sleep with women. I really hope that, for release, they've improved things in this department, fingers crossed.

There is so much more about the game that I'd like to be better as well, but my partners have (Gradually, Mostly) prevailed upon me to try to care less and to stop thinking about it as a D&D game, and just put myself into the mindset to enjoy it for whatever it turns out to be, as its own thing. I'd *like* it to be the D&D game we've all been waiting for for so long, but I'm fairly certain it won't be, and I've been working towards accepting that that is just how it will be, and that that will have to be okay... and with that in mind, I really want well made and enjoyable naughty scenes as part of my romance!

I am all for you doing this. Really I am for anything that upsets GM4him, in fact that should be the barometer of success here. (KIDDING)*


*maybe

Now, now. Kumbaya and all that.
In mild defense of measured "chastity" (not really per se) in portraying intimate relations, sometimes less is more. That's not saying don't have it. What it's saying is if you go graphic or overt too often it can cheapen the whole thing. Make it seem frivolous. There's A LOT to be said in showing intimacy through a close shared experience. Personal words said in private settings. Secrets that were never thought to be shared being brought out into the open. The sort of emotionally charged closeness that comes with chemistry in any given situation. It's what comes before the sex in narrative that makes it satisfying, in that context is key, as with any scene in a narrative. It's like music. You can have these stunning sequences of swells sometimes, but if the song consisted solely of that, it would be bad.

What I'm really defending here is subtlety. In storytelling, there's the whole "show don't tell." Now in a cinematic with limited dialogue, you should mostly be doing showing. But a big idea behind showing is to get the meaning across without being overt. To express emotional meaning without showing "things" that provoke meaning. Convey ideas and emotions, not things.

Sorry that your stance is if it upsets me, you want it. I certainly never wanted to tick anyone off. I just want to be able to finish the game, Man. That's it. I want to be able to finish the story, and if they throw a lot of sex and nudity in it, I won't be able to. Plain and simple.

Unless they provide me with some sort of censor option.

And again, if they keep it as they have the EA, with sex behind optional dialogue, and nudity also behind optional dialogue, I'm good. I can finish the game. They can put all the time in the world into their sex scenes and I won't care as long as I can finish the game without having to see it.

The last thing this thread needs is for the one person making the good faith argument in favor of this troll post to be ridiculed.

Let's recall that most of us here are in favour of choices and options that give everyone what they want; GM and I, despite being on opposite ends of the spectrum for what we like in this particular case, are both in the camp here that wants options in settings to choose our level of censorship for such elements of the game.

And that's fine. Not everything is for everyone. There has been a trend online of people not being able to understand that.

Also I am not really making fun of you, in fact I think your situation is a bit sad, even tragic. I could not go through life as you do.

And while I don't outright reject censorship I do reject organizing any work of Art around any particular Philosophy. I don't see a difference between what you believe and radical feminism, or Wahabism, or Nihilism. They all seek to pervert Art so they don't have to leave their comfort zone. The rejection of Art is usually through denigration/protection (this is beneath us, we need to protect people) - but those arguments never pan out and pushing into them uncovers some pretty disturbing stuff.

for example - You came dangerously close to making an argument favoring censorship to protect predators from feeling the need to victimize other people. I think if we had pushed you a little further that is where we would have ended up. That's horrifying, and sadly extremely common within the religious community.

I think that's well said. It's wouldn't a difficult to implement a "fade to black" setting and, while my views are closer to Niara's than GM's on this issue I admire GM's ability to talk about these issues while maintaining a civil tone.

*picks up handfuls of daisies, throws them around the room*

@Blackheifer,

Don't feel sad for me. My life's awesome. I have an amazing wife, and we have an amazing relationship. Our marriage is going on 26 years. We have 2 awesome kids who are respectful and kind and loving people who treat people way better than people deserve. We haven't done drugs, none of us has gone to jail, we don't steal, lie, we don't sleep around, we don't cheat on people, ruin marriages, we're healthy instead of falling apart from all the abuse we've done to our bodies, we're not addicted to anything, we're happy, we get along really well with one another and others.

Meanwhile, the people I feel sad for are the ones who think they can do whatever they want and not pay for it. I know WAY too many of those. Ruined marriages, often on their third or fourth relationship, ruined lives, kids yelling and screaming and treating people like dirt including their parents and one another, sex lives totally jacked up, finances jacked up, addicted to alcohol or need alcohol just to cope with all their stress and pain, on drugs, seeing psychiatrists every week, sometimes more than once a week, thoughts of suicide, running away from their problems, or just downright mean and nasty - always snapping at people, jumping to conclusions, accusing people of things, stepping on people to get ahead, viciously attacking them when they have a difference of opinion... the list goes on and on.

Yeah. There is nothing to be sad for me about. My life is far from tragic. Look. This is just a game. If I am not able to play it because they put some crap in it that makes me draw the line and erase it from my hard drive, I'll take that "tragedy" any day over having a sucky life like so many people I know who don't hold to the same moral standards I do.

THIS.

Some people like it, some dont. So giving a setting before you start the game to not show adult (well sexual content since blood and gore should also beconsidered adult) would be the way to go. Just turn off the cinematics or make non sexual ones as alterative. Lots of work though. They could also just put a "you spend the rest of the night with "insert NPC name* and enjoy yourselves.

OR give a "skip" option. "the next cinematic contains sexual content": Skip/Watch

It should be added as planned. If ppl have a problem with it, make it option or something. Or add an option for clothing for those ppl. BG3 is obviously made for an 18+ crowd. Dont like it? Then dont romance in your playthrough I guess. Stop trying to censor stuff for others because of your own sensibilities (talking about OP)

A "skip sex" button isn't going to magically fix this mess.

I would never select such a silly option. If I'm reading a book or watching a film I'm not going to skip pages or fast forward any badly directed scenes. That is just ruining the experience. Same applies to games. I will take everything in and I will judge poor content.
Unaware, or by calling it out on a forum or something in between.

My problem is strictly with the quality of the scenes in BG3. It seems they were directed by a 14 year old.

this. the way sex is depicted is like a bunch of tweens snickering about seeing nipples for the first time, being defended like some great "mature, adult oriented, deep addition" to the narrative.

it's just masturbation.

The game (character writing/dialogues, "romances" etc.) seems to be aimed at people in their late teens and early twenties.

Adding (almost) explicit scenes for the many incel/weeb fans this game has (case in point: https://forums.larian.com/ubbthreads.php?ubb=showflat&Number=842193 ) seems like a pragmatic move, if not straight up blatant cashgrab - remember how much publicity Mass Effect got back then, FOR FREE?

I don't mind the scene(s) nearly as much as how "romance" options/dialogues/scripting are handled.

I think this is probably the first time I've agreed with you. Same with DiDiDi's point below you. The "adult" themes are remarkably youthful in a way, not "childish," but youthful. I wouldn't call any of the romance content (or a lot of suggestions on the forum for that matter) deep, insightful (not that it has to be), or mature. I think it's just a fundamental perception thing. The game (and forum) has a certain set of eyes through which it views the world. There's a lack of "act like you been here before." Romance and sex are treated as something more mystical than magic itself, which is odd.

I kind of agree.

Its going to be a great game with SHIT PR that trapped D&D and Baldurs gate fans buying into EA and thinking it will be the next best thing for these genres.
It will not. It is not.
It will be a great fun high quality Larian produced game with D&D sauce and Baldur's Gate flagrance.

Choise, with todays last panel of Hell, Larian stands true... they want to give us choise, be it adult or allow people a modesty filter... im honestly proud of Larian, to dare to go down this path far to many modern game makers, shy away from the dirty more nude sides of humanity, as uncomfterble as it can be for some, its still part of life... thank you Larian !

Larian are European while most modern game makers are American who are even more prudish than we British.
We'll see how far Larian have taken it and then how far modders will take it.

What a legendary thread to necro!