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Originally Posted by Ussnorway
one of the other lines is that the others followed her and couldn't help themselves which make Jaheria unlikely... imo its a tag to Mizora who Wyll wants to find but can't because this is stil 1/2 finished EA and her quest isn't in the game yet
Mizora dropped near the bridge between the grove and blighted village. you can find her empty pod there.

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Originally Posted by Wormerine
I don’t think it is trapped Mindflayer as as I understand he is stuck under the rubble since crash (as if he didn’t in thrall fisherman, walk for a bit and then get crushed).

I was thinking that the mind flayer might have made the fishers think there was a beautiful woman to try to tempt them towards where it was buried, but it was all an illusion, rather than that the mind flayer was walking around!

EDIT: I’ve just got to this bit in my new playthrough and I’m increasingly convinced that Gray Ghost is onto something with the theory the mindflayer is responsible for the “beautiful woman”! The “mangled fisher” by the jetty says, when you ask why he didn’t notice the brains “Woman … beautiful … couldn’t look away” and when you ask where she went says “Went west … others followed .. couldn’t help ‘emselves”. The crashed ship is directly west of his position, and the “others” could be the fishers we used to find digging out the mind flayer. Then if you ask if there were more survivors, he’ll say “Elf … ran north … up the beach”. That seems to direct you to the temple doors and my theory is that this elf is Shadowheart, and Larian just haven’t got round yet to putting in different dialogue for the situation in which you rescue her on the ship, in which case she isn’t found by those doors.

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EDIT: I’ve just got to this bit in my new playthrough and I’m increasingly convinced that Gray Ghost is onto something with the theory the mindflayer is responsible for the “beautiful woman”! The “mangled fisher” by the jetty says, when you ask why he didn’t notice the brains “Woman … beautiful … couldn’t look away” and when you ask where she went says “Went west … others followed .. couldn’t help ‘emselves”. The crashed ship is directly west of his position, and the “others” could be the fishers we used to find digging out the mind flayer. Then if you ask if there were more survivors, he’ll say “Elf … ran north … up the beach”. That seems to direct you to the temple doors and my theory is that this elf is Shadowheart, and Larian just haven’t got round yet to putting in different dialogue for the situation in which you rescue her on the ship, in which case she isn’t found by those doors.

It is interesting that the other fisherman saw his daughter and this one saw a woman though. Can a mind flayer enthrall two different fishermen with two different illusions?

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one of the other lines is that the others followed her and couldn't help themselves which make Jaheria unlikely... imo its a tag to Mizora who Wyll wants to find but can't because this is stil 1/2 finished EA and her quest isn't in the game yet
Mizora dropped near the bridge between the grove and blighted village. you can find her empty pod there.

I thought that pod was Karlach's. Since it seems Mizora is still held captive and we don't get any indication she was recaptured. Plus narratively, since she's still being taken to Moonrise, it would be strange if she escaped only to have been recaptured off-screen.

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It is interesting that the other fisherman saw his daughter and this one saw a woman though. Can a mind flayer enthrall two different fishermen with two different illusions?

I feel as though they should be able to, since psionics are their big thing. Maybe since it's injured and nearly dead it's just sending out a blanket call for help, using its powers to just by default conjure the image of whoever would entice the viewer to come to its aid. I'd imagine that such a blunt psychic maneuver would be easier to see through, but since they're just simple fishermen, it's enough to work on them regardless. It would be cool if we got to see something of that as well. Like we get affected by the psionic call and can choose who we see, before getting to make a wisdom roll to see through the illusion.

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I might be misremembering, but wasn't there originally an encounter with the fishers by their boat if you went there before the trapped mindflayer? And they said they were wrecked because they were lured onto the rocks by a kind of siren-type illusion? In that case it would make sense that the mindflayer was using psionics to lure someone (anyone) into the vicinity, but once they showed up the illusion was changed to one that made them want to free it...

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Originally Posted by Elessaria666
I might be misremembering, but wasn't there originally an encounter with the fishers by their boat if you went there before the trapped mindflayer? And they said they were wrecked because they were lured onto the rocks by a kind of siren-type illusion?

I definitely also recall them saying something about being tempted onto the rocks at some point, in some patch.

Though I didn’t think you could find them by their boat until after freeing them from the mind flayer, at which point they’d (usually?) decided you were tainted and refused to speak. Maybe that changed in an earlier patch.


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Originally Posted by neprostoman
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EDIT: I’ve just got to this bit in my new playthrough and I’m increasingly convinced that Gray Ghost is onto something with the theory the mindflayer is responsible for the “beautiful woman”! The “mangled fisher” by the jetty says, when you ask why he didn’t notice the brains “Woman … beautiful … couldn’t look away” and when you ask where she went says “Went west … others followed .. couldn’t help ‘emselves”. The crashed ship is directly west of his position, and the “others” could be the fishers we used to find digging out the mind flayer. Then if you ask if there were more survivors, he’ll say “Elf … ran north … up the beach”. That seems to direct you to the temple doors and my theory is that this elf is Shadowheart, and Larian just haven’t got round yet to putting in different dialogue for the situation in which you rescue her on the ship, in which case she isn’t found by those doors.

It is interesting that the other fisherman saw his daughter and this one saw a woman though. Can a mind flayer enthrall two different fishermen with two different illusions?

Why? Wouldn't the daughter be a woman?

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Well I assumed that the daughter was a child. So a girl and not a woman. Though I suppose she could be older than that, no reason she wouldn't be.

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Originally Posted by Gray Ghost
Well I assumed that the daughter was a child. So a girl and not a woman. Though I suppose she could be older than that, no reason she wouldn't be.

Yeah, I was just looking at the most obvious solution, since an age was never specified on the daughter. It's entirely possible that I'm way off too, but, when in doubt, run with the most obvious choice until or unless it's proven otherwise.

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Well I assumed that the daughter was a child. So a girl and not a woman. Though I suppose she could be older than that, no reason she wouldn't be.

Yeah, I was just looking at the most obvious solution, since an age was never specified on the daughter. It's entirely possible that I'm way off too, but, when in doubt, run with the most obvious choice until or unless it's proven otherwise.

The fisherman who seeks for the daughter looks very young and he states that his daughter passed years ago, so he remembers her even younger version. Thats why I don't think the two are related.

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Originally Posted by neprostoman
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Originally Posted by Gray Ghost
Well I assumed that the daughter was a child. So a girl and not a woman. Though I suppose she could be older than that, no reason she wouldn't be.

Yeah, I was just looking at the most obvious solution, since an age was never specified on the daughter. It's entirely possible that I'm way off too, but, when in doubt, run with the most obvious choice until or unless it's proven otherwise.

The fisherman who seeks for the daughter looks very young and he states that his daughter passed years ago, so he remembers her even younger version. Thats why I don't think the two are related.

I would think it feasible that the mind flayer can cause different illusions in different people: as suggested, it could be getting people to see whatever is most likely to get them to come to it.

But Elessaria’s post has made me realise the flaw in my suggestion that the “others” the mangled fisher mentions are specifically the fishers that you used to find by the mind flayer as opposed to some of the other fishers lying around the beach. The formers’ boat is the one on the other jetty not far from Astarion, so there’s no reason for them to have been on the other part of the beach to the east of the nautiloid wreck.


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when you have your dream love come to you at camp you also find out the others all dreamed someone they liked... its unclear if this dream is from the 'mind flayer' bug in your head or some random God but it does lean into the idea different illusions for different people

i still thing the girl will turn out to be someone real we can find after EA


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Pretty sure it's Mizora. When her pod crashed, I guess she had to physically wander around. Or her crashed pod will be placed nearer to where the dead fisherman is. She is the only character called a "beautiful woman" in the game and that is probably how she makes her cambion deals. Also how Wyll got initially roped in.

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