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On this last playthrough, I was hoping to be able to confront Kagha while Halsin was arguing with her after murdering the goblin camp. I like the idea of getting her punished for the attempted treason by Halsin directly. Sadly, it's still the same.

I think it's a minor missed opportunity for some player satisfaction / RP to show Halsin the evidence you find in the swamp.

Just shooting some feedback.

**Edit**
So you can still show the evidence to Rath after Halsin has returned to the camp. However, he just says he will leave it up to Halsin. And that's it. Halsin still has nothing to say on the matter.

I totally agree. I think you can mention it now though but this is not even the only thing. The game is still full of this.

very true.

and also something ive recently been thinking..

is how in the world are we going to get the tadpoles out before the ceremorphosis becomes active an changes us. personally i hope there are going to be muliple options in the main full game other then what we have had so far in early access, i mean yes on most of the my playthroughs so far each time i have gone to moonrise in the underdark, logically figuring that it perhaps would be the most sure an quick way of getting them out. but now when i think about it. im thinking noo it cant be as easy as that. then i thought what about if we go to the creche that la'zel or however you say her name mentions..

what are your thoughts on that @UnknownEvil and @Accessdenied ?

Frankly I want to be able to join the shadow druids and help them complete their takeover and throw out the filthy untouchables. Shadow Druids must have secrets and power I can exploit.

As it turns out thought they won't let you join up. You can only Kill or Redeem Kharga.

They indeed dont let you join up ...
Even tho i would dare to say it makes pefect sense, Shadow Druids (and feel free to corect me) seems to me like a group that see themselves as quite elite club ... so they would hardly accept any adventurer, who would just say "hey sounds good, let me in".

Anyway ... you totally can help Kagha and Shadow Druids to take over the Grove ...
You just dont get any reward for that.

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What would work well (for me at least) would be that if you help Shadow Druids ... and you then tell Kagha that you know about her little betrayal (wich you can) ...
One morning you would find some pouch next to your bed with few gold pieces and some mystery note like "we will be watching you". :3

hmm i wonder though is that only a thing strictly in the early access portion of this game? maybe come full release we might be able too. perhaps not. but there is a slight chance it might just be that we cant at the moment in early access. and yes it would be cool to join the shadow druids. i too would like that option myself as well.. as you make very good points

Yeah, the absence of this option is a pretty glaring omission really.

Ngl that would make the druid grove battle a 1 vs 1 vs 1 Free-for-all.
Not sure any sane human being wants to have to deal witch scripting all of that ^^''
Especially you have already the evil path of joining Minthara so you know, it's there.

If shadow druids become a druid only evil path i will be impressed.

The lack of ability to engage with Kahga as an evil character is rather disappointing. There no option to aid the shadow druids, even as a druid yourself-and the 'invitation only' line is a poor excuse, considering Kahga was the only druid in the grove 'in' on the plot, but the plot was to convert all the other druids. BG I let you help the Shadow Druids. So did BG II.

Additionally, I'd add that your options to aid Kahga without uncovering the plot similarly feel....truncated. AFAIK you have to manually attack all the Tieflings? Like you can bring Kahga's ultimatum to Zevlor, but if you don't switch sides to him, you'll have to kill him, and then the whole plot just sorta....ends? Like there's nobody else to talk to give your demands to and I didn't see anyone even notice Zevlor's death....idk maybe I'm missing something. Even Kahga herself basically says she won't pay you and won't help you, so there's no carrot to entice you. That side of the quest is just very under-written and rather railroady.

I suspect the reason they aren't letting us join the shadow druids is because they just won't matter. Everything about this act one seems to broadcast that the area won't matter once we leave it. We're never even told the name of the region. It's a place we're passing through to get information until we go to Moonrise Tower. From there, everything that actually MATTERS will happen in Baldur's Gate. Think about it. Every hint at the future steers us firmly towards Baldur's Gate specifically. Everyone leaving is going there, even the Hag circle seems to be based there. Everything of note in this area is gone by the time we leave, either dead by our hands, gone to Baldur's Gate or with its business already settled comfortably. And even the grove plot itself if you think about it. They want to close off the grove so no outsiders can get in. There isn't really a bigger plot we could join in on. They want to be left alone. Joining them would mean staying in the grove and not leaving, which means not participating in the rest of the game, which isn't an option thank to the tadpole in our brains anyway.

I recently read (after making this post), that Larian Stuido's is going to make sure that everything feels like a fresh game for everyone. Including the people like me who have, as of this post, almost 500+ hours into the Early Access. Which makes me think that things like outcomes, dialoge options, etc, will have more... "Meat and Potatoes" to them. So that gave me some hope.

I love this!

If the shadow druids take over, Rite of thorns will conclude and the grove will be inaccessible. That outcome would only help the PCs if you are a druid and are actually allowed to join.

The only thing that would probably work is to give a "talk in private" option to tell kagha we know, but we wont interfere.

Having read a lot of FR Novels that included the Netherese and Shade Enclave (I so hope we get to meet Thelamont Thantul (does he still live in that time?)) the tadpole is not made to acutally trigger ceremorphosis. I think it is just made to control humanoid society. If you ask Omelluum about the Grand Design you know that their goal is to enslave all (more or less).
So triggering the ceremorphosis would be kind of counterproductive. Especially on People like that abducted "Grand Duke". Asking the dead Mind Flayer about the absolute reveals a circle of mind flayers if i remember correctly. Maybe the shades later betray the Mind flayers too because they have their own designs for the tadpoles.
Triggering ceremorphosis would make like...hundreds of mindflayers suddenly appear everywhere. And never forget that the other victims do not know about having a tadpole. They deny it even if you tell them.

I completely agree. The whole thing seems a bit pointless, and Khaga shouldn't be allowed to stay in the grove. Missed opportunity.

I'm happy enough with Kagha staying as it shows a lot of Halsin's character. This is interesting news, though. Maybe there are more story routes after all, which we set up early game?

I did a solo run as a ranger the other day and manage to get put in prison before even getting to the camp proper. I manage to piss off the guard's from my cell and that activated Halsin to knock down the gate from his cell. Halsin managed to get killed in the process of the fight. it was only nettie that i could report the death too which i thought was strange as Rath wanted me to find him; also i'm sure khaga would have been delighted to know he wasn't coming back