Larian Studios Forums Baldur's Gate III Baldur's Gate III - General Reimagining Wyll

Followed, for me, by: "But he'll help them torture their prisoners for information ... ... yeah, I've had it with this guy, he's going on the bench."

I think the redesign is feeding into the idea that there are no good origin characters. The characters are villains the PC has to drag kicking and screaming towards some semblance of neutrality or else just lean into the villainy.

Wyll should be the good party member but Larian noticed many players think he is evil... or at least selfish
i'm ok with them changing him but just wish they did it sooner

They tortured him and ripped out his eye, also the Goblins have declared war on the region and have sacked the Inn, overrun the nearby village, are threatening the grove, and killing anything that moves. So yeah, there is that.

I guess that's one way for him to stand out more, which is probably what they're going for with some of the changes.

His new intent to kill Karlach is... weird. Ostensibly, they should both have something to fear from demons. Karlach, because she escaped. Wyll, because he is bound to one.

But perhaps he has been compelled to kill her by his pactholder. He doesn't necessarily want to, but he HAS to. He's the dog the demons sic on her to bring her back to the hells. That would make him more interesting, I guess.

OK, If it's down to Wyll or Karlach, then bye, Wyll.

I think Wyll biggest issue was that he was the last companion people encountered most of the time. In the moment you can recruit him, you already have encountered Shadowheart, Astarion and Laezel so the party is most likely full. His introduction was also pretty bad I think. Him appearing without context or cinematic in a battle unrelated to the tadpole made people believe he is just another common npc.

Then prepare for unwelcomed surprise.

Wyll and Karlach are not the only two who will go for each other throat.
Actually, maybe i got that wrong, but i believe they said something about each Origin companion will have counterpart, they will be really uncompatible with.
And since Shadowheart and Lae'zel is no brainer ... i wonder what issue will be between Astarion and Gale. O_o

Honestly I'm not against this, though I don't recall hearing that it was an intended thing for characters to have their counterpart clashes. But everyone has been saying that the party has all these clashes in personality when really those clashes don't exist at all, so good that Larian is making good on what people hoped for at least.

Even all the way back in BG1 there where party members who would kill each other if you didn't manage them carefully.

But I suggest everyone reads the new origin character biographies on the front page. They all have new one, and new art.

They have made Wyll older, more established. And he wants to kill Karlech for the very simple reason that his patron told him too. And fiendish types don't need much of a reason to want to kill each other.

And Karlech's bio states that she wants to kill the person responsible for selling her into slavery. I would be willing to bet that had something to do with Wyll and/or his patron.

The clashes are there. If you try to recruit Shadowheart having already recruited a certain githyanki she throws a fit.

It was actually a really good decision from Larian to make Wyll bounce of Karlach, because party interactions were kinda lacking in reactivity, apart from snarky comments.

Oh I've known about Shadowheart and Lae'zel from the start. But that's literally been the only clash in the party. And it's not like it's actually born from their differing personalitiesand ideals. It's just that Shadowheart hates gith and Lae'zel looks down on everyone. I honestly get the sense that if Lae'zel weren't a githyanki and everything else about her personality remained the same, Shadowheart would get along relatively fine with her.

Also wow, they did redo the bios on the website. And Gale's is... yeah that recontextualizes things about him.

There are also good chances that Halsin and Minthara may be mutually exclusive.

EDIT: In fact, going by what we know so far, it's hard to imagine that NOT being the case. Then again, who knows what changed.

Good point ...
But i believe theese two are mutualy exclusive to such extend that they can never meet each other in same party, you either get to the point where you can recruit one, or another ... no mid ground.

This is also a good point.

If he hadn't been in the promotional material I wouldn't have assumed he was a companion until he offered to join the party. He didn't really stand out where he was placed and with what he was doing - which as I recall was training kids or something.

Come to think about it, yeah, that might have been the reason his appearence lacked the 'oomph' others kind of got.

He joins the fight with the goblins (not in a cutscene, just a random guy yelling he's the Blade of Frontiers like that was supposed to mean something to us) and then...is gone. We meet him inside while he's training children, easily missed if I'm to be honest.

I do hope he gets a more meaningul introduction, first impressions are everything.

I don't think his opening is necessarily all that different from what the others got. Gale literally appears out of nowhere and Astarion just is standing there and then ambushes us. I agree that having Wyll join the gate battle without a cut scene nut also no interaction is a strange choice. But I also like that our first real encounter with him is one where, I feel, he's at his most sincerely good and genuine. I'm curious to see what his introduction is like now.

Agreed ...
I wonder if same fate awaits Minthara, Halsin, Jaheira or Minsc ...

I mean, they are much futher in the story, right?