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#856439 08/07/23 10:54 AM
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Hello everyone,

I am very confused and have only found clues on the Internet, but no threads that have been thought through to the end. Of course, Gale also asked me to sacrifice magic items to him. Since I ran a little unluckily, I didn't find anything after a sword for a long time, which is why Gale pointed out the stature of the druids to me in a long rest. Already during the next long night he got angry and said that the matter was settled, although I didn't even refuse to steal the statue. Although I now have a magic item (Nere's shoes) with me before he was complaining, but he still is in the next long rest.

Only then did I also do the event with his death. This, in turn, started the corresponding storyline with Mystra in the camp. The magic items were no longer mentioned, although I often took a "long break" and don't know if something else will happen later in the game. What I don't succeed in is bringing the Mystra story BEFORE his complaint, meaning, there is no way for me to avoid his complaint at my current status.

I'm frankly upset with the bad script because I really wanted to help Gale, even if it hurts with the items. But I can neither prevent his final complaint nor offer him an available item at the same time, although I have never refused the help and do have an item for him now.

Now I'm considering loading a save before discussing the druid statue and getting an item to give him beforehand. But I really have to play a lot again. So now I'm wondering if that's even necessary or if his death story with Mystra overwrites the subject with the magic items anyway. Can someone who is already further along help me?


Edit: I just noticed that I am able to offer him a magic item even he told me his complaint and that the issue was settled. I'm completely confused now and thank you for any advice.

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Originally Posted by Gethsemane
Can someone who is already further along help me?
Im affraid not ...

Gale story is quite honestly a mess ...
The main problem with him is that his triggers are quite dense together, so you need to Long Rest A LOT ... in order to get them all functioning properly.
Another (not any smaller) problem is that all conversation unlocks overwrite each other, so you can only have the least one when you Long Rest.

Example:
You get to Druid Groove ... save someone ... Gale Approves ...
- But other character Approves aswell > Gale conversation is overwritten ... you get only dialogue with second companion.
- Nobody else Approves > you get conversation with Gale at the spot ...
-- but you get to Nettie, before you Long Rest > you just unlocked meeting with Raphael > Gale Long Rest conversation was overwritten.

And so on.

Then there is the other problem, his own death starts yet another line of dialogues ... wich you can easily lost (bcs it gets overwritten, as mentioned abowe) ... or that can overwrite other dialogue ...

Anyway the safest way is to let him to die in first encounter after recruitment ... and then return to camp for at least Partial Long Rest (no resources spend) after each aprooval incerase.
Its a drag, its anoying, its stupid ...

But until Larian finds out that there exist things as LIFO queues, rather than just having single value that gets rewritten by every new entry ... its the best (and only) advice you can get, sadly. frown


I still dont understand why cant we change Race for our hirelings. frown
Lets us play Githyanki as racist as they trully are! frown
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Thank you for the quick reply. I'm not sure what to do or change now. Is the story with the magic items heading somewhere? I mean, yes, it's a mess, but when I can offer him items even after he told me, this issue is settled and the story continues, it would be bareable. Are the two stories of the items on the one hand and magic-Mystra on the other to different, independend ones? And did I get it right that I have to fear to miss stories of the other characters without even noticing?

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Originally Posted by Gethsemane
Is the story with the magic items heading somewhere?
During EA? No, not really, he will just like you more.
In full release it will most likely be part of his personal quest / way to romance him.

Originally Posted by Gethsemane
I mean, yes, it's a mess, but when I can offer him items even after he told me, this issue is settled and the story continues, it would be bareable.
Well, yes the story continue ...
It continue no matter how many other triggers you miss ... and basicaly all you miss in the end are opourtunities to gain additional influence over him.

Its quite possible tho that in final release there will be points in his story when the amount of reputation with him will determine if he leaves us, or stay with our party ... so in that scenario, missing some gain will hurt a lot more. :-/

Originally Posted by Gethsemane
Are the two stories of the items on the one hand and magic-Mystra on the other to different, independend ones?
Nope.
They are more like two independend entry points to the same one.

Gale (aswell as any other companion) will open to you as you travel together, if you do things he likes ... the death scene, only offers additional possible entry, and chance to gain some bonus points. smile

Originally Posted by Gethsemane
And did I get it right that I have to fear to miss stories of the other characters without even noticing?
Yes, this is constant threat across ... well, everything in the game.
Some things are even mutualy exclusive.


I still dont understand why cant we change Race for our hirelings. frown
Lets us play Githyanki as racist as they trully are! frown
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Thank you so much. Honestly, I have absolute no problems making him like me. Apperently we have a very similar mindset and I don't think my decisions in the future will change that, allthough I'm not interested in starting a romance. I just hope that after the EA no unwanted facts are created that don't make sense but can no longer be influenced. I seem to remember that in BG 1 and 2 there was the ability to change the status of a relationship with party members via the console. Am I remembering correctly and is it known if this could also work in BG 3?

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Speaking of stories, I really need to know

I'm romancing him my first playthrough and did a lot of googling to make sure I'm not missing anything, but I'm beginning to get worried. I already saw the first long rest bug where he accuses you of accepting Rachael's deal, went alll the wag back, long rested again (losing a lot of progress on another quest). Made sure I denied the deal, yada yada, it still happened


Major spoilers ahead, unfortunately I don't know how to properly spoil messages on this website yet!

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I know he's meant to propose if you do things right and dissuade him from the crown, but I keep hearing that karlach needs to die for it to trigger. Unfortunately, I didn't grab karlach in act 1. Is this still a bug i need to worry about? Would all my progress be for nothing?

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As noted, Gale's dialogue sequence still needs some work. If you are planning to have Gale around into Act 3 a similar problem occurs (only partly fixed with U3). Fortunately, playing along with it doesn't seem to adversely affect any choices you have made.

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