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Gormak #864258 17/07/23 01:58 PM
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I suppose it comes down to how you define romance in this context. If you define it as getting to have sex with a character then sure, it's a lie. If you define it as having a romantic relationship with a character then I don't think it's a lie, since I believe you only sort of start the potential for a relationship at that point. In most games romance is in the form of courtship, really. The process leading up to a relationship and that's basically the end, nothing more happens. BG3 is actually trying to do something deeper here, which I applaud. Letting you progress quite far into the courtship by the end of act 1 and leaving a lot of room to continue to grow and shape the relationship.

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I am sure I will receive a ton of flak by Larian fanboys for this and that's fine, I haven't played the full game only early access but I am hoping the characters actually have some degree of character development.
Fair, just like the rest of us here.

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As it stands, I hate all of them they are all full of themselves to a narcissistic degree, some of them are outright the most unrelatable abrasive lunatics I have ever had the misfortune of encountering, other than her strength and her saving you (more for herself than you) Lae' Zel is utterly unlikeable.

She fights you on everything, is never satisfied and even when you do something that pleases her she tells you in the most condescending, arrogant, annoying way possible, the only way I know she liked my action is because it says "approves" in the top left hand corner, otherwise half the time I would have guessed I screwed up.
Every RPG has that companion. In Dargon Age there was Morrigan, in BG2 we had Edwin, in Neverwnter Nights 2 there was Bishop. Probably a lot more.

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All of the characters are hyper defensive and you aren't allowed to even ask questions of the people that are laying close enough to you to kill you in your sleep, lest they start insulting you and becoming verbally abusive.
Think we played a different game? Name one such situation, I don't recall anyone becoming "verbally abusive".

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All of the women save Karlach are utter bitches who seem like they are actively putting in effort to make sure you never use them with how much they berate and verbally abuse you, and all of the men save Halsin are clowns I don't take seriously at all.
Oh, so no girlie has gone "you are so handsome Senpai!" on meeting you and the guys won't invite you for beer and it makes you sad? frown

Also, again, when exactly did anyone verbally abuse you? Tell me where it hurts.

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I thoroughly enjoyed romancing Viconia from BG I-II, even evil you saw a lot of character development with her, could even turn her around to being a good guy, if you played your cards right.
And yet she was "verbally abusive" from the start, lied to you, used you, and yet in the end she became the perfect waifu so all is forgiven, yes? Yet you don't seem to want to extand the same courtesy to Lae'zel or Shadowheart? Why?

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I am sure I am being theatrical [...]
You are.

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Before anyone would say "the characters are complex you can't just say the right things and they like you."

No they aren't complex at all, I can't get anything out of Minthara, Lae' Zel or Shadowheart but utter bitch no matter how high my approval is, they always talk to me like I am garbage or their slave
How can you tell? Didn't you just say you haven't played the whole game yet? Shadowheart ended the EA pretty friendly with all my characters, so... maybe it's just you?

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The males I can't get anything but jokes and deflections, I barely know who they really are because they don't want me to, since all of the females are probably evil aligned I guess I get it, but there isn't a soul on earth that likes being treated like shit in a friendship or relationship so they can go die by themselves for all I care.
Do YOU spell out all your secrets to strangers? Get to know them, all of them end the EA telling you at least a decend chunk of their secrets. If you, you know, talk to them and be nice.

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To be clear, anyone who wants to reply with things like "you are stupid you don't know what you are talking about."

Yeah I hope so, I am praying so, please come correct me, please come tell me how dumb I am, and that I am wrong, I desperately want to be.
I won't, no matter how much you ask, because I'm nice! smile

But you probably are wrong.

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The thread is likely on step 1 of 3 to being locked. It's not productive to "prove someone wrong" on the nature of a partly released character. For all intents and purposes, many companions are Schrödinger's arsehole.

For the nature of first impressions: people who played an elf in Inquisition first tend to have a *much* better opinion of Solas. This is because he starts out extremely racist. It's legitimately his character development. People who didn't do one (1) thing Sera disliked before a first conversation will never understand how much of an unreasonable bitch she can be.

This could be a coding issue. Still, it is how strong opinions happen, mildly put. Others' first experience wasn't necessarily yours. Opinions are victim to the psychological phenomenon of "anchoring": fallacious through need of a frame of reference. The first pieces of information are weighted too highly.

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I am not really going to respond much to your post as you are just a piece of shit, but I actually addressed many of the times they were verbally abusive, in a later statement in this thread you never bothered reading because you don't care to dig just project and belittle, a lot like the trash companions in this game, there isn't one companion, they are all like that, if you ask any of them questions they start to act like you are stupid and treat you as such saying passive aggressive shit to deter you, and I am far from the only one that has noticed it, I never asked for the perfect waifu.

You are projecting and putting words in my mouth because you are an insecure fuckface, go eat shit and troll someone else moron.

You actually remind me of the characters, passive aggressive as fuck, constantly deliberately insulting me with veiled insults pretending they aren't, at least Lae' Zel is an honest bitch, and not a passive aggressive shit head like you and Shadowheart.

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I mean it doesn't need to be locked I can delete it right now, I made my opinion clear, and that's all I wanted.

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Well, that escalated.

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I am not really going to respond much to your post as you are just a piece of shit
...was nice seeing you around here. Talk about being verbally abusive...

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Lmao

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I want to make it clear that everything I said was because none of the criticisms levied against my statement were valid or made in good faith.

Everyone else in here that disagreed with me did so without being a passive aggressive shit head.

The person literally ignored anything positive I said like me acknowledging I know it's EA and how this is only a gripe for that, they ignored the entire paragraph where I went on and on about loving Larian and their games.

They selected only the most negative of what I had to say and challenged it not with valid criticism but with more negativity.

Which is fine, we are all free to do as as we will, and I meet that with more negativity.

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Goddammit we were doing so well in having a civil and productive conversation. And then boom.


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Originally Posted by Gormak
I am not really going to respond much to your post as you are just a piece of shit, but I actually addressed many of the times they were verbally abusive, in a later statement in this thread you never bothered reading because you don't care to dig just project and belittle, a lot like the trash companions in this game, there isn't one companion, they are all like that, if you ask any of them questions they start to act like you are stupid and treat you as such saying passive aggressive shit to deter you, and I am far from the only one that has noticed it, I never asked for the perfect waifu.

You are projecting and putting words in my mouth because you are an insecure fuckface, go eat shit and troll someone else moron.

You actually remind me of the characters, passive aggressive as fuck, constantly deliberately insulting me with veiled insults pretending they aren't, at least Lae' Zel is an honest bitch, and not a passive aggressive shit head like you and Shadowheart.
There is really no need for that kind of language, we're not the Steam forums.
People have different opinions about companions and we can discuss that normally. I for example find Viconia much more aggressive than Shadowheart. She doesn't really vibe with me, same with Morrigan, another fan favorite, I can't stand.
Apart from Astarion, who I find problematic to even justify to put him in the party, I think the companions are ok. They all have their dark secrets apart from Lae'zel, who is very upfront from the start, but mostly I find it realistic, that a group of people, whose only common goal is dealing with the tadpole, would not instantly trust each other and open up. I was surprised, that Shadowheart tells you about Shar that soon in the gameplay, given how big a deal Shar worshipping is.

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Originally Posted by Gormak
The person literally ignored anything positive I said like me acknowledging I know it's EA and how this is only a gripe for that, they ignored the entire paragraph where I went on and on about loving Larian and their games.
The person really tried to undestand you, but only now I see it. You hate them because you and them are literally the same in your eyes.

If brutish name-calling is all you can do than sorry to even bother trying to get answeres from your original rant. Prentent like I wasn't even here and go stew in your "love" for the game.

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I mean we aren't friends or traveling companions, I have no obligation to speak to you any particular way, you don't get respect you earn it.

If I have one pet peeve it is fake people who passively aggressively insult you to your face and feign ignorance and talk about how nice they are when they are actually a prick.

Everyone else in this thread even if they disagreed, did so without insulting me while actually being vein and arrogant enough to call themselves nice.

I in turn showed no disrespect to anyone until you came along, I just continued to articulate my argument.

Even those among them that disagreed conceded I hada valid concern or two but only int the context there won't be massive changes at full launch.

Which I also acknowledged at the beginning of the post.

Play the victim, fine by me, it's all passive aggressive people are good at anyway.

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Originally Posted by Gormak
I mean we aren't friends or traveling companions, I have no obligation to speak to you any particular way [...]

You do have that in frame of forum rules, and just common sense and curtsy.

Have a permaban.

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Forum hypothesis: if the Red Queen isn't here*, you should be especially alarmed because the powers that be are calculating the force to smite you with.

(*We've crossed step 2 of locking well and truly)

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There are good and valid opinions and points that have been made still worth discussing, even by OP. Unfortunately, the merit of the message and how it's presented, does not protect from consequences. So leaving the thread open, assuming that people are behaved onwards.

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*nevermind, wrong thread. I need to eat something

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I heard that Halsin is now a companion, IDK about you guys but I'd rather have the Halfling Werewolf Bard over the Elf on Steroids Druid, Pureblooded Elves aren't that muscular BTW.

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Originally Posted by Sai the Elf
I heard that Halsin is now a companion, IDK about you guys but I'd rather have the Halfling Werewolf Bard over the Elf on Steroids Druid, Pureblooded Elves aren't that muscular BTW.
I happen to agree but we are outnumbered by the Halsin thirst trap.


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Originally Posted by Sai the Elf
I heard that Halsin is now a companion, IDK about you guys but I'd rather have the Halfling Werewolf Bard over the Elf on Steroids Druid, Pureblooded Elves aren't that muscular BTW.
I happen to agree but we are outnumbered by the Halsin thirst trap.

Yup, Daddy bear sex seems to sell better than Shortstack Dog sex xD

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