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Trolling others. Bashing others for their opinions. Any form of disrespect or mental abuse.

These should be the basis for not being welcome in any forum, not for speaking your mind.


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Well, this was a combo of bestiality gay sex actually 😀. Anyway, why people assume that the proper sexual intercourse was when Halsin were in bear skin ? He could transform back to human form

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Okay folks, I feel that this thread didn't start off with the sort of considered criticism that was likely to lead to high quality debate on this topic, so this hasn't been nearly the car crash it could have been. Thank you!

However, it does sound like we're just going over much the same points as we have already, which I'm not sure this new contribution to the debate deserved. I'd suggest we get off the merry-go-round.

Oh, and I'm going to ask that we simply don't go there with the comparisons between the possible appearance of bestiality and the possible appearance of paedophilia. Not because I think it's an invalid thought experiment, exactly, but because sexual abuse of children is such an awful and quite rightly a deeply emotive subject that I don't think it is at all reasonable to ask anyone to have (or even read) the kind of calm and dispassionate discussion that would be needed to draw any conclusions from the proposed analogy, particularly when it might touch on real life traumas for some readers. I draw few lines on these forums as long as debate is constructive and respectful, but I'm going to do that here. It's just not an okay subject for what is meant to be a fun place to discuss games, at least when it's only brought up for purposes of comparison rather than because of any depiction of it in the game.

Feel free to PM me if you wish to comment on or question that call.


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Just for the record #1: The Hittite law codes had a large number of laws dealing with bestiality offences.
Just for the record #2: Bestiality being a good or bad thing has nothing to do with consent. Try bringing up the consent issue next time a dog tries to leg-hump you.

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So why is beastility fine but 'child sex' with someone who is actually a grown adult not? Its gross. We all find it gross, and with good reason.

Having sex with a bear is gross. For many reasons. And, it being 'illegal' is number 1million.

Well, for the bear scene, there is bound to be someone that finds it tantalizing. This can be disturbing to many, probably will... But inherently, that is not really a problem. When it comes to children however... That is a problem.

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And to answer your question, it really wouldn't make any ethical difference if the guy shapeshifted into a child either, because he would be no more an actual child than he would be an actual bear.

I would beg to sincerely differ here. That would make tremendous amounts of difference. Depicting an adult that transforms into a child for the purpose of having sex is..... Highly questionable at best. A second, Player controlled party that consents to this - let alone going "ooh, I like that!" is downright unreprehensible. No, it could not happen.

Tangent with an example to take it out of this particular context.


We have a book here, for teens, young adults. I doubt it's been translated into anything. It's about a kid that's been abused, runs away and is left to fend for herself - who ends up squatting with drugs involved and prostitution and everyting... It's not pretty. It's actually rather well written, highly realistic and well researched prior to writing. It's written from the protagonist's perspective. In a functional way, and not remotely for erotic purposes - the novel is rife with scenes that involve children. This includes a handful where she genuinely consents and enjoys it, but for all the wrong reasons. Again, it's not pretty, and serves more as a warning than anything else.

It could *never* be made into a movie. Or a video game. Never, ever. Not because a responsible viewer couldn't watch it, but because you could possibly cater to those who get the wrong ideas from it. It could end up on the shelf of someone who does get off on it, and you really don't want to have that on your conscience. There is a huge gap in between writing a story and graphically showing something, too.

Bear in mind, I'm not opposed to Halsin's scene in the slightest. It's not for me and I'll never see it again, either. Then again, I'm not really big on romances in my games to begin with. I was when I was fifteen, but I'm an adult now. Game characters don't do it for me anymore, I feel silly flirting in a dialogue wheel, and awkward when I'm watching my heroes do their animated dance.

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Now. Unlike my expectation, this topic turned rather serious. And whilst I'm typing this, I'm suddenly thinking of something. Another tangent, not exactly on-topic, but not worhty of it's own either:

What about Minsc? Minsc is a big brawny man that liberally kicked butts from Baldur's Gate to the Throne of Bhaal, all in good measure. He is also mentally impaired and is essentially, a huge bulking twelve-year-old. If all characters are romanceable, that would imply Minsc as well. Can Minsc *really* give consent?

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Okay, I said I was drawing the line at discussion of/comparison with paedophilia and I'm sticking to it.

I'm locking this thread now, given the discussion of that and the unpromising original post that kicked it off.

I do feel that we've probably gone over this ground well enough already, but I certainly wouldn't automatically ban any new thread on this topic that starts off with a thoughtful, constructive contribution (whether in favour or against the scene) and that managed to avoid comparisons with having sex with children.

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