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Hey all,

Just wanted to add a quick suggestion if you play the Dark Urge start as a Paladin, that you could START already being an Oathbreaker if you wish.

That's all

EDIT: I suppose I should add how it could work too, before someone asks. You would still select your original Oath, but could as Dark Urge tick a box that moves you into an Oathbreaker of that original Oath, during character generation.

+1
I'd like this option regardless of playing the Edgelord or not

True, roleplay-wise it could work for anyone I guess. +1 on your +1.

For my run with the Oathbreaker I made a beeline to where the Hellspawn were tormenting Miss Mottled Toad ("Mottled Toad? O'rly? Have they looked in the mirror lately? And those rat tails! Like totally eww!") to backstab them for the sub-class change

I believe that everyone should have option to start as an Oathbreaker ...
Our characters had lives before start of game Larian!

I think you can lose your oath much earlier as Durge, someone else on here came up with that name also easier to say then Dark Urge Everytime, but anyways I think eating Gale's hands would automatically go against the oath of devotion, at least I know that my Durge Paladin Anakin will bring Peace, Freedom, Justice and Security to his NEW Empire.

Honestly, the easiest fix for this is to just drop an NPC in the first couple rooms of the ship. He could be a thrall that is cowering or something, and the game gives you convo options on how to deal with him. Something like:
- Leave him alone
- Put him out of his misery
- [Paladin] Kill him and break your divine oath.

Then if you pick the Paladin option give a follow up for clarity. Something like:
You consider if ending this creature is worth giving up on the tenants of your faith.
- Give up on the thought. Your oath is the source of your powers and you don't want to abandon them for this creature.
- Kill him. You'll find another source for divine powers, a darker one to fit your soul.

It could make a nice teachable moment for new players on the dangers of breaking your oath in a very clear situation, and give experienced players a quick way to gain the class without messing with the rest of the structure and code involved with the oathbreaker.

Easiest would be to either start as an Oathbreaker or/and break it early, by killing the dying (or also possibly sleeping - in the Console chamber) Thralls without prompt. You can do it and AFAIK there's no bad karma about it.
Hiding the subclass exclusively is kinda meh. And quite random, as far as I've gathered - it is easier to break it reliably without thinking than beelining for it.
So you either should start as one or become one, with the earliest trigger on the nautilus.

I like the suggestions of killing/torturing sapients on the Nautiloid to gain sub-class change.
BUT - as the switch requires meeting the Goblin Slayer LARPer with a Scottish accent - can we Long Rest on the ship?!?

For roleplay reasons it would definately be best if we could select it at character creation. It would feel very bizarre to try and roleplay as an already fallen paladin, complete with backstory all planned out in your head, to find you have to start as a normal paladin.

IIRC Oathbreaker isn't even in the PHB, but the DMG and not suggested for PC use. It is a nice little RP bonus thrown into the game that wasn't promised and I like that you have to fall to become fallen.

Wouldnt it be even better to have both tho?

I mean ...
Its not against anything, right?

From a practical perspective, I hear what you are saying and generally more choices is a good thing.

In this case, I think it may actually have been a choice they made with new players in mind.

If I pick one of 4 subclasses when I create a character and then all of the sudden the game changes me into a different subclass that I specifically saw in the character creator and chose not to pick, that could feel like a bug or the game forcing me into a class I specifically didn't choose.

If I pick from one of three subclasses and something happens in the game that turns me into a completely new fourth subclass, that is a mystery that can feel like a cool secret.

its pretty clear in the vid that Dark Urge is not aware of their actions until after, they black out and then Gales hand is just there when they come around... for all we know Shadowheart killed him and pinned it on us?

Oathbreaker has to chose to break their oath like any other Pally has the choice to keep theirs... if a wizard casts a charm on you then you wake up next to your dead sister its very bad but not breaking your oath imo

The problem is that you may have a character background planned out, where he/she has already become a fallen Paladin (Oathbreaker), but to play that fantasy you still have to play as a normal Paladin until you can break the oath "again", so that you finally ACTUALLY becomes an Oathbreaker, you just don't go back to being a normal Paladin just because you forget what happened, in my opinion. Others might have an easy time to just ignore that part, but for me, personally, I really struggle to forget such things happened and would always be on my mind playing that character.

Paladins' no longer have deities.... so the old school Paladin loosing their memory and keeping their powers would not work due to lore reasons. A Paladin's power is from their belief in their oath, if your memory is gone, then you genuinely would be unable to believe you broke your oath. As in my eyes at least, if you so blindly believe your actions are correct, you can not be an oathbreaker in 5th ed.

DO I THINK THIS IS BAD DESIGN CHOICE? Yes. Paladins have always had a deity for a reason. You also do not have domains for Paladins in 5th ed either which I found confusing since Paladins and clerics are almost the same thing. Paladin use a cleric spellbook for a reason (2nd edition and pathfinder)

I am going to +1 this

I propose we call it the Urgelord.

the first time I read about DArk Urge, I immediately thought about Anakin´s trilogy...this is totally suited for an Anakin-type Paladin character.

only thing is... I am quite sure the Emperor said Peace, ORDER and Justice..wasn´t it ?!

You sure he mentioned freedom ? Like...individual freedom ?
just checking.

Anyway...maybe someday my Deep Gnome Fighter->Mage...a.k.a. GrandMaster Yoda - may meet your Dar- I mean - Anakin OathBreaker in a final combat...haha..

Of course...your character got the Illithid dark side powers ... but as an Oathbreaker you still got that Aura of +4 charisma to saves ?!

That is a bit unfair...

anyway...good luck in your Anakin storyline...it will probably be wilder than my boring Yoda-type path... just remember... "fear leads to anger..etc etc..."