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Originally Posted by neprostoman
Hey, thanks for the input! I dropped BiBG two days before the PFH and I don't know the ending of the mini-game. Is it still available as an archive?

So, sorcerer he is... I wonder what kind? If it's Wild Magic, then sorcery could not be his inherent ability. But I can see Wild Magic being problematic when one is an assassin! laugh

Well I found the break down on a fandom wiki and I think it's still playable if you do a quick search on google.

That said, I don't know about an archive. As for what school in magic, the most obvious answer might be dragon bloodline sorcerer, though I wonder if a dragonborn would get EXTRA scales if they were.


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Originally Posted by CerusSerenade
The thing is there IS a level of canon info we know from Blood in Baldur's Gate.

As the character is per definition an avatar, there is no real cannon if you play as DU. If you don't, you might encounter the said race.

That being said, I find it funny because I indeed plan to play as a dark urge wild magic sorcerer. But as a drow.

I think the said murderer was a wild mage as I did not see any scales of a different colour. And Larian does not seem to be that boring to pick both the race and the bloodline from the same colour. I could be wrong, of course.

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Well, according to the official presentation images, canonical class for Dark Urge is definitely someone who can wear heavy armor and use two-handed swords.
My guess is that it will be Eldritch Knight.

[Linked Image from staticg.sportskeeda.com]

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Originally Posted by Edvin Black
Well, according to the official presentation images, Dark Urge is definitely someone who can wear heavy armor and use two-handed swords.
My guess is that it will be Eldritch Knight.

[Linked Image from staticg.sportskeeda.com]

This one seems to be a generic DB image used for the new races announcement. Dark Urge was revealed later a couple of hours before the PFH. The main distinct feature of the 'canonical' looks is red eyes which kind of double down on the whole bloodlust thing. This one's eyes are yellow!

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I used to think I might get away with something like a Dark Urge Warlock but no, the game very strongly pushes the Dark Urge to be a Rogue Assassin as his patron. We know the first item you get from the dark urge origin story and it's an insanely powerful cloak that is 1,000,000% intended to be worn by a rogue. Other classes could technically make use of it but far less efficiently. So I think it would be far less ideal to be anything but a Rogue Assassin when playing the dark urge. You could play the Dark Urge as another class but then you'd have to hand the insanely powerful Rogue gear obtained by the Dark Urge to Astarion or maybe a rogue hireling or not use them...all terrible ideas.

I wouldn't think of any choice here as canon though. Whatever you choose and whatever you do is equally valid in terms of the game's story...you know, as long as it's a good enough build to progress through the entire game and you don't get murdered every fight. This is likely to be the end of the story of Baldur's Gate and the dead three...this is it. There probably won't be a BG4 and if there is it'll have a totally unrelated story and all events of BG1-3 will be entirely ignored. So I don't expect either Larian or WotC will ever declare any "canon" for BG3 like oh only this one of the 37 endings or whatever is canon and if you played the dark urge as another race than white dragonborn you were wrong, etc.

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Originally Posted by Darth_Trethon
I used to think I might get away with something like a Dark Urge Warlock but no, the game very strongly pushes the Dark Urge to be a Rogue Assassin as his patron. We know the first item you get from the dark urge origin story and it's an insanely powerful cloak that is 1,000,000% intended to be worn by a rogue. Other classes could technically make use of it but far less efficiently. So I think it would be far less ideal to be anything but a Rogue Assassin when playing the dark urge. You could play the Dark Urge as another class but then you'd have to hand the insanely powerful Rogue gear obtained by the Dark Urge to Astarion or maybe a rogue hireling or not use them...all terrible ides.

Maybe in the full version of the game there are more variants of that cloak.
It would make sense, since Dark Urge is a custom character and it is very difficult to design an item that has the same level of utility for all classes.

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Originally Posted by neprostoman
This one seems to be a generic DB image used for the new races announcement. Dark Urge was revealed later a couple of hours before the PFH. The main distinct feature of the 'canonical' looks is red eyes which kind of double down on the whole bloodlust thing. This one's eyes are yellow!

And the fact that he's wearing terrifying black armor and standing in the middle of the Bhaal temple is just a coincidence?

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Originally Posted by Edvin Black
Maybe in the full version of the game there are more variants of that cloak.
It would make sense, since Dark Urge is a custom character and it is very difficult to design an item that has the same level of utility for all classes.
I doubt it...the Dark Urge is very clearly and obviously intended to be associated with Bhaal the god of Murder who in life was a shapeshifting assassin rogue...murder is his domain. And I absolutely believe all the rewards from following the Dark Urge are essentially boons granted by Bhaal...and they will most likely all be gear very much aligned with Bhaal's domain and style.

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Had a thought:

Forget the Dragonborn

Play Durge as a feral Halfling Barbarian

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Originally Posted by Silverstar
Don't have the opportunity to rewatch it atm, but wasn't it a dragonborn in PfH because that's what people voted for? And they went with the look from that silly flash comic because that's also what people wanted? I mean if that makes it "canonical" then any outcome other than Gale getting his hand removed is non-canonical cause that's what they went with during the panel 🤔
I know I voted for Half-Orc, well at least on twitch anyways.

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Originally Posted by Scales & Fangs
Originally Posted by CerusSerenade
The thing is there IS a level of canon info we know from Blood in Baldur's Gate.

As the character is per definition an avatar, there is no real cannon if you play as DU. If you don't, you might encounter the said race.

That being said, I find it funny because I indeed plan to play as a dark urge wild magic sorcerer. But as a drow.

I think the said murderer was a wild mage as I did not see any scales of a different colour. And Larian does not seem to be that boring to pick both the race and the bloodline from the same colour. I could be wrong, of course.

They are a customizable origin, yes. But outside of the playable game itself, Blood in Baldur's Gate as well as all the promotional material for BG3 have shown the Dark Urge to be a white scaled dragonborn sorcerer. This is established.

It's just that what makes the Dark Urge interested doesn't really have anything to do with their class or their race, but the nature of what drives their murderous cravings.


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It says "sorcerer" under The Dark Urge on the official website. scroll down and click on Dark Urge

You can murder a lot more people by tossing a fireball into a crowd than you can with a dagger.

Saravok liked to murder people (such as Gorion) by impaling them with a really big sword, or by throwing them off the roof.


I suspect the itemisation will include items tailored to different classes.

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Originally Posted by FrostyFardragon
It says "sorcerer" under The Dark Urge on the official website. scroll down and click on Dark Urge

You can murder a lot more people by tossing a fireball into a crowd than you can with a dagger.

Saravok liked to murder people (such as Gorion) by impaling them with a really big sword, or by throwing them off the roof.


I suspect the itemisation will include items tailored to different classes.

Wow, well spotted! So, as I suspected, Larian had some canon in mind for him after all. Now we know, and I guess the thread can be locked.

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Originally Posted by neprostoman
Originally Posted by FrostyFardragon
It says "sorcerer" under The Dark Urge on the official website. scroll down and click on Dark Urge

You can murder a lot more people by tossing a fireball into a crowd than you can with a dagger.

Saravok liked to murder people (such as Gorion) by impaling them with a really big sword, or by throwing them off the roof.


I suspect the itemisation will include items tailored to different classes.

Wow, well spotted! So, as I suspected, Larian had some canon in mind for him after all. Now we know, and I guess the thread can be locked.
I think it's only canon on a "that's what ya'all voted" basis. Same with the illustration.

Like Abdal, I expect it will be what is used if there is a novelisation or whatever.

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Originally Posted by FrostyFardragon
It says "sorcerer" under The Dark Urge on the official website. scroll down and click on Dark Urge

You can murder a lot more people by tossing a fireball into a crowd than you can with a dagger.

Saravok liked to murder people (such as Gorion) by impaling them with a really big sword, or by throwing them off the roof.


I suspect the itemisation will include items tailored to different classes.
That seems off...at least I don't understand why they'd classify the dark urge as a sorcerer when the rewards exclusive for giving in to the dark urge seem geared primarily for a Rogue Assassin...which, you know, makes sense given the deity that the dark urge is related to. I mean you could try to use that cloak as a sorcerer but you wouldn't get a fraction of the use a rogue would get out of it.

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I think I will play my custom Tav Sorcerer before attempting a Dark Urge campaign. I want to get a good feel for the game before I start brutally murdering everyone/everything.


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Originally Posted by FrostyFardragon
I think it's only canon on a "that's what ya'all voted" basis. Same with the illustration.

Like Abdal, I expect it will be what is used if there is a novelisation or whatever.
If the site only marks the Dark Urge as a sorcerer because of some community feedback then that is horrible and misleading. I am absolutely convinced that to make the most of the specialized rewards the dark urge gets Rogue Assassin is the way to go...which especially makes sense given the connection to Bhaal. I'd be very careful here with this one. Personally I will treat the "Sorcerer" designation on the website as either a mistake or a red herring unless we get some real evidence as to how Sorcerer makes more sense than Rogue Assassin for the Dark Urge.

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Originally Posted by Darth_Trethon
Originally Posted by FrostyFardragon
It says "sorcerer" under The Dark Urge on the official website. scroll down and click on Dark Urge

You can murder a lot more people by tossing a fireball into a crowd than you can with a dagger.

Saravok liked to murder people (such as Gorion) by impaling them with a really big sword, or by throwing them off the roof.


I suspect the itemisation will include items tailored to different classes.
That seems off...at least I don't understand why they'd classify the dark urge as a sorcerer when the rewards exclusive for giving in to the dark urge seem geared primarily for a Rogue Assassin...which, you know, makes sense given the deity that the dark urge is related to. I mean you could try to use that cloak as a sorcerer but you wouldn't get a fraction of the use a rogue would get out of it.
Your jumping to conclusions based on incomplete information. There are lots of ways to murder people (chainsaw is one of my personal favourites). Whist some of the Dark Urge gear is most useful to an assassin, others (such as Saravok's armour) are not.

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Originally Posted by neprostoman
Originally Posted by FrostyFardragon
It says "sorcerer" under The Dark Urge on the official website. scroll down and click on Dark Urge

You can murder a lot more people by tossing a fireball into a crowd than you can with a dagger.

Saravok liked to murder people (such as Gorion) by impaling them with a really big sword, or by throwing them off the roof.


I suspect the itemisation will include items tailored to different classes.

Wow, well spotted! So, as I suspected, Larian had some canon in mind for him after all. Now we know, and I guess the thread can be locked.

Or I suppose the topic could be shifted to: What do you think of the Canonical Class choice for the Dark Urge?

Because the original question does seem, in fact, answered.

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Originally Posted by FrostyFardragon
Your jumping to conclusions based on incomplete information. There are lots of ways to murder people (chainsaw is one of my personal favourites). Whist some of the Dark Urge gear is most useful to an assassin, others (such as Saravok's armour) are not.
I don't think that armor is exclusive to the dark urge or a dark urge specific reward. My point is about the rewards that only the dark urge can get as part of his origin story. The origin seems clearly intended to be played as a rogue assassin.

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