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My 2 cent guess is cannon will be no Tav but rather Shadowheart, self redeemed, as the heroine of this story. The only reason I doubt that is that if they were to declare a canon they'd already erase most player choices...so the custom character will likely be it, mentioned in some generic term like Saviour of Baldur's Gate or some such so when listening to it people could think "oh yeah, that was my character". But with that said, I don't think a canon will ever be declared at all for BG3 because this is it, this is the end of the story of the dead three and this story, there will no more sequels. If there are to be other Baldur's Gate games they will be entirely unrelated stories with all new characters, etc. So BG3 will most likely be left open ended in terms of canon, with no defined main hero and plot results...whatever happened will be left to the imagination of the players and whatever paths they best liked.
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We've been in the EA for a very long time, a lot a lot of concepts have come up. Here's one of the times the concept of the main character transitioning between character after their personal story ended. If I had to choose one character to be the "main character" of this story it would be Shadowheart. Like so many RPG MCs she has amnesia, like so many MCs she finds herself with an ancient artifact of great importance to the story, and like so many MCs she has been given a definite objective that promises adventure and intrigue. [...] with the exception of Gale, every origin character has a pretty clear connection to the overarching plot, Shadowheart's connection is just the most clear in the EA. Gale's connection will probably become more clear as we play, what I wouldn't wager on is Tav doing the same. And for good measure here's another involving a theory around Shadowhearts memories. We've seen 'Blondheart' officially in one of the trailers, which I haven't fully factored, it seems a bit past the point for wild speculation now. Considering people have floated her being the long dead daughter of Thorm, to a brainwashed avatar of Selune, how the story can twist to fit what you want your 'canon' class after the fact seems moot. I think the canon classes will be exactly what they seem on the tin, even if a novelization comes out later how about the adventures of Abdel McTavendish.
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We've been in the EA for a very long time, a lot a lot of concepts have come up. Here's one of the times the concept of the main character transitioning between character after their personal story ended. If I had to choose one character to be the "main character" of this story it would be Shadowheart. Like so many RPG MCs she has amnesia, like so many MCs she finds herself with an ancient artifact of great importance to the story, and like so many MCs she has been given a definite objective that promises adventure and intrigue. [...] with the exception of Gale, every origin character has a pretty clear connection to the overarching plot, Shadowheart's connection is just the most clear in the EA. Gale's connection will probably become more clear as we play, what I wouldn't wager on is Tav doing the same. And for good measure here's another involving a theory around Shadowhearts memories. We've seen ' Blondheart' officially in one of the trailers, which I haven't fully factored, it seems a bit past the point for wild speculation now. Considering people have floated her being the long dead daughter of Thorm, to a brainwashed avatar of Selune, how the story can twist to fit what you want your 'canon' class after the fact seems moot. I think the canon classes will be exactly what they seem on the tin, even if a novelization comes out later how about the adventures of Abdel McTavendish. Uh when?
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There is a search function Shadowheart origins pollOkay, and meanwhile, as all of this is happening, where is Selune? She (a greater deity) just sits there and allows her faithful to be "kidnapped" and "brainwashed" by Shar, her arch enemy no less, and is totally cool with it?
This is Larian BS that completely goes against well-established FR lore, and a good example of why I consider Larian's writers to be ridiculous jokes. A good writer accepts the constraints within which they're expected to write, and they still end up creating something awesome even while honoring those constraints. Well, to be fair at the moment any BS is coming from those of us theorising that she might have some connection with Selune or have Selunite origins, rather than from Larian. Or at least I’ve not seen any definitive evidence of what they intend her exact back story to be. Okay, yes, you are right about this. I guess it is still possible for Larian to (pleasantly) surprise me by giving us something truly original here that still stays true to FR lore and logic. It will interesting to see. I know when WotC announced 5e they said that were done with the apocalypse of the week but I wonder if Larian has decided to go big on this. Perhaps Shadowheart isn't just any kidnapped child but an avatar of Selune. One of Mystra's avatars was captured and corrupted so there is precedent . . . Who knows, perhaps that weird light coming from her is spellfire. Shadowheart as Thorms daughter has poped up a number of places. I think it was in my attempt to make a timeline that I learned that the book you could find in the grove referencing Thorms daughter was removed from the EA, so who knows what'll become of that plot thread.
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Are you referring to the meme post from yesterday?
The ashen handed cleric in one of the trailers isn't shadowheart. She was mentioned in the pfh
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Ah, you mean Blondheart, no she's not Shadowheart, but she's certainly related to her. Her story if nothing else.
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ess of how I play through, I would like to see what they're intended to be at the end. (from me)I suspect the default level up choices for, for example Shadowheart, are exactly the same they would be if you made Tav a clone of Shadowheart. That's my concern, and my expectation, that it isn't shadowheart's default, it's the cleric default. It's not even the Trickster Cleric. At the same time, I don't think the default is a default. I'm certain that I've had Gale alternate between defaulting as Evocation and Abjuration. Gales the only one I don't care what his default is, I want him to be an Abjuration Wizard, it's very tanky. And why can't Shadowheart's, as a '"cleric with these stats," canonical leveling options be default cleric? Seems like an odd thing to be "concerned" about. Seems like you want to see a roaadmap of how to develop the companions. If that's true and that's fun for you, OK, but I don't and never will get it. That's fine, you don't have to get it, enjoy it, or even participate in it. That doesn't mean it can't be fun to experience how the developers planned for these characters to mechanically develop. I'm only talking about leveling up, at no point have I been talking about story decisions, or any of the other questions that have cropped up in this thread. Though, the multiclassing discussion has been interesting. This is also meant for a Custom Character play through, not an Origin Character play through. Sometimes I just like to see how another character was meant to develop outside of what I would make them. But how can there be a "correct'" playthrough? Is the "correct" playthrough of KotOR 1 a male Revan, and if you make your Revan female, are you doing it "wrong?'" Yes, the canon Revan was male and redeemed, he didn't go back to evil. Though that gets a little weird in The Old Republic MMO. There is a canon Shepard. There is a canon Warden, a canon Hawke, a canon Inquisitor. Just because you can play anything you like doesn't mean there isn't a canon version for the books and the sequel playthroughs that don't include the previous game. Honestly, BioWare's Dragon Age tapestry was a revelation because they gave you a way to define the history of your game instead of forcing you to accept the canon story for future playthroughs. When you say "yes," is that you answering my question "are you doing it 'wrong''?" If so, I cannot relate to your attitude whatsoever. You might as well be telling me you enjoy bathing in mayonnaise. I was answering the question of , is the correct Revan male. Yes, canon Revan is male. My Revan was always female, and while I did a lightside playthrough, I prefer darkside. It's not wrong, it's just not canon. I'm not clear why you need to relate. This is not an option you're interested, that's clear. That also doesn't help with the question if it's an option that exists, though, I increasingly suspect it doesn't.
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I don’t think there is any canonical progression for any of the characters. I don’t know why there would be.
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I don’t think there is any canonical progression for any of the characters. I don’t know why there would be. The only reason I considered it is because Baldur's Gate had it, and it was something I was interested in, because why not?
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I don’t think there is any canonical progression for any of the characters. I don’t know why there would be. The only reason I considered it is because Baldur's Gate had it, and it was something I was interested in, because why not? You can consider it, sure, but I am pretty sure it is a question without an answer.
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I don’t think there is any canonical progression for any of the characters. I don’t know why there would be. This is not 'Nam, Warlocke. This is BG3, there are rules.
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I don’t think there is any canonical progression for any of the characters. I don’t know why there would be. This is not 'Nam, Warlocke. This is BG3, there are rules. There are rules out in the bush. *squints into the sunset and takes a long drag on a bent cigarette*
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I don’t think there is any canonical progression for any of the characters. I don’t know why there would be. The only reason I considered it is because Baldur's Gate had it, and it was something I was interested in, because why not? The original Baldur's Gate use 2nd edition rules. There where a lot fewer options.
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I was answering the question of , is the correct Revan male. Yes, canon Revan is male. My Revan was always female, and while I did a lightside playthrough, I prefer darkside. It's not wrong, it's just not canon. I'm not clear why you need to relate. This is not an option you're interested, that's clear. That also doesn't help with the question if it's an option that exists, though, I increasingly suspect it doesn't. There was no "canon" Revan until the comic adaptation, around three years after the game was published. As conceived for the video game, Revan had any gender and appearance, and three main endings to KOTOR had equal status (one ending was cut before launch). KotOR 2 made a point of not contradicting any potential version of the original story. And of course, anything to do with Revan has been declared "legends" and there is no canon version of the character now.
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If I choice beastmaster subclass for Minsc will he have a giant hamster animal companion?
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