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I have to laugh at the idea of bribing someone to restore your broken oath as a PALADIN. Restoring an oath should require action over an extended period of time imo, not simply a cash handout.

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Actually, here’s a question: what do you think a bard best replaces, the support nature of a cleric or the general purpose magic of a wizard?
In a PnP game, I play a Swords Bard with the Urchin background. In my opinion, he replaces everything. Others consider Swords Bard to be one of the weakest Bards, but they are my pick for a gish. If BG3 doesn't add Swords Bard, I will go for Valor Bard. And if there is a Warlock that gets the Hex Warrior feature of the Hexblade, i will make what I consider the best Mary Sue gish; a Swords (or Valor) bard with one level of Hexbladish thing and the Urchin or Criminal background.

Most of this is simply that I like Bards, though.

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You know, I hate to admit it. But I REALLY enjoy the College of Lore Bard. I have always thought of bards as a class in any game were cringy and try hard, to make some sort of new class. Listen... I'm not above eating crow and admitting when I'm wrong. In early access, my favorite was the college of lore bard. Followed by Abjuration Wizard. I've played everything and enjoyed all of them.

As far as paladin goes... I gotta tell you, I was probably annoyed the easiest while playing paladin. It felt like.... I don't know. If I sneezed while someone was talking that it would break my oath. I found it obnoxious. But I will tell you in the same breath that Paladins are BAD A**!!!

For my first playthrough upon release, I'm going to be playing a divination wizard. I am foaming at the mouth to get my hands on a wizard with portent!!

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Originally Posted by Accessdenied
You know, I hate to admit it. But I REALLY enjoy the College of Lore Bard.
In PnP, many play Lore Bards because "Bard with Fireball!" Not that's not a good reason. It's as good a reason as why I like Swords Bards.

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I have to laugh at the idea of bribing someone to restore your broken oath as a PALADIN. Restoring an oath should require action over an extended period of time imo, not simply a cash handout.
A laffed at the economics of the setting - Revive Dead scroll - 200 gp.
Restore Paladin Oath - 2000 gp.
LOL!

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I have to laugh at the idea of bribing someone to restore your broken oath as a PALADIN. Restoring an oath should require action over an extended period of time imo, not simply a cash handout.
A laffed at the economics of the setting - Revive Dead scroll - 200 gp.
Restore Paladin Oath - 2000 gp.
LOL!

Apparently the worth of a single mortal's life is relatively cheap!

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So I went back and played more when I said I wouldn’t… and I got to tell you, the lore bars can just do SO much… cutting words seems insanely good to me. You literally get a notification asking if you want to use it, and you get to see what the enemy rolled before you choose! I mean, no doubt the gloom stalker will be very powerful, but I think the pendulum has swung back toward the bard! There is just SO much utility there, and he can throw Shatter and Dissonant Whispers and such for significant damage and AOE as well!

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Originally Posted by atawag
So I went back and played more when I said I wouldn’t… and I got to tell you, the lore bars can just do SO much… cutting words seems insanely good to me. You literally get a notification asking if you want to use it, and you get to see what the enemy rolled before you choose! I mean, no doubt the gloom stalker will be very powerful, but I think the pendulum has swung back toward the bard! There is just SO much utility there, and he can throw Shatter and Dissonant Whispers and such for significant damage and AOE as well!

Yeah, cutting words is ridiculously powerful. I love it. But yeah, you have it right that Bards have a little bit of everything. They are missing some of the crucial spells that make some of the other classes so great, but that is what magical secrets is for, and Lore bard gets them early!

Other than possibly Divination Wizards, but we don't know how they work yet, Lore Bards have the most control over the tides of battle.


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Originally Posted by Boblawblah
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I have to laugh at the idea of bribing someone to restore your broken oath as a PALADIN. Restoring an oath should require action over an extended period of time imo, not simply a cash handout.
A laffed at the economics of the setting - Revive Dead scroll - 200 gp.
Restore Paladin Oath - 2000 gp.
LOL!

Apparently the worth of a single mortal's life is relatively cheap!

I mean, that is more money than most people see in a lifetime in game.


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Originally Posted by benbaxter
I mean, that is more money than most people see in a lifetime in game.
What is, 2000 gold? Given how easy it is to get 2000 gold in EA, how much easier will it be in the full game (unless of course they rein it in, and make it harder)?

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Originally Posted by branmakmuffin
Originally Posted by benbaxter
I mean, that is more money than most people see in a lifetime in game.
What is, 2000 gold? Given how easy it is to get 2000 gold in EA, how much easier will it be in the full game (unless of course they rein it in, and make it harder)?

I believe he's talking about the economy of the setting. The average person in the setting, meaning NPCs, aren't rolling in gold coins, magic gear, and purple panties. That's player privilege right there.

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Originally Posted by benbaxter
I mean, that is more money than most people see in a lifetime in game.
What is, 2000 gold? Given how easy it is to get 2000 gold in EA, how much easier will it be in the full game (unless of course they rein it in, and make it harder)?

I believe he's talking about the economy of the setting. The average person in the setting, meaning NPCs, aren't rolling in gold coins, magic gear, and purple panties. That's player privilege right there.
Got it. Yes, that's true. That's the case in pretty much every PnP game, too.

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Yes, I was talking about the "economy" in general.
In all games at some point the PC/PC party is rolling in money - in EA it was quite early, late 3rd/early4th lvl for me. Once I passed 5000k gp I stopped looting EVERYTHING and became very picky smile

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