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Does that mess with his story at all? Any consequences? I just want somebody with heavy armor proficiency in my party.
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the Wyll story is a warlock and the game will treat him as warlock even if you speck him as pally or bard
Luke Skywalker: I don't, I don't believe it.
Yoda: That is why you failed.
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I gave him 3 bard as well, rest warlock. Wont mess with his story, improves it imo. I went 1bard/2lock/2bard, rest lock. Fits perfectly imo.
My gripe is..
Because of my party-setup i want him at ranged. All Lock or lorebard seems like a better fit, and just better for combat. His role is more clear. Valor (my pick) or sword seems to fit, but i want him mainly in ranged, so its a bit awkward. But just eldritch blast and occasionally melee works decently enough.
But yesterday i was thinking.. To make him more of a support role. Focussing on (de)buffs and control. I think this will work really well.
Anyway, overall, i really love the bardlock for him.
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I can’t see Wyll as a bard. Dancing and singing around the battlefield doesn’t fit his character or story at all from my perspective, but I don’t really like bards much in general.
My idea is that his Paladin oath is a promise to himself to destroy his patron. Makes more story sense to me. Also, heavy armor and smites on Wyll are pretty cool. I killed Lae’zel, so he is my only heavy armor character. I don’t have a full healer in my party right now, so Lay on Hands is a nice perk.
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Yeah i was thinking about making him a pally at a certain poiint as well. May do that. Also fits. Can he easily be made a oathbreaker?
The way i see it: He broke his oath by making the pact. He started as a pally then lock. Also fits because i think ill do 2pal/10lock. Maybe 2pally/3bard/7lock. Seems good.
About him being a bard.
The blade of frontiers is a nice nickname for a traveling bard. High charisma stat. His look/armor. Look how he started the game at the grove fight. How bardy is all that.
Can see how it also fits a renown soldier
Its nice how different people interpret things differently.
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Yeah i was thinking about making him a pally at a certain poiint as well. May do that. Also fits. Can he easily be made a oathbreaker?
The way i see it: He broke his oath by making the pact. He started as a pally then lock. Also fits because i think ill do 2pal/10lock. Maybe 2pally/3bard/7lock. Seems good.
About him being a bard.
The blade of frontiers is a nice nickname for a traveling bard. High charisma stat. His look/armor. Look how he started the game at the grove fight. How bardy is all that.
Can see how it also fits a renown soldier
Its nice how different people interpret things differently. It didn’t take me long to accidentally break his oath, so I’m guessing it is quite easy. I don’t want Wyll to be an oathbreaker though, so I reloaded and am playing more cautiously. I’m also doing 2 pally / 10 lock. Currently 2 / 6. Wyll has become quite the powerhouse. I’m using gear that buffs hybrid characters (extra melee damage after using a cantrip, for example) and the executioners ring. That provides a guaranteed crit after he kills something, which is what I save my warlock slot + smites for. He does well over 100 damage in one hit. Good times.
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It didn’t take me long to accidentally break his oath, so I’m guessing it is quite easy. I don’t want Wyll to be an oathbreaker though, so I reloaded and am playing more cautiously.
I’m also doing 2 pally / 10 lock. Are you using wyll as the MC or just a companion? I would like to use the exact same build for him, but if it's possible to break his oath even if he's just a companion, it might be too much of a hassle.
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any pally can easly break their oath
Luke Skywalker: I don't, I don't believe it.
Yoda: That is why you failed.
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It didn’t take me long to accidentally break his oath, so I’m guessing it is quite easy. I don’t want Wyll to be an oathbreaker though, so I reloaded and am playing more cautiously.
I’m also doing 2 pally / 10 lock. Are you using wyll as the MC or just a companion? I would like to use the exact same build for him, but if it's possible to break his oath even if he's just a companion, it might be too much of a hassle. He is a companion. I was murder hoboing my way through the Gith creche when I multiclassed him, and ambushing a group of more or less innocent Gith was a violation of his oath. That’s fair. I had Wyll sit out most of the fights after that. If you want to break his oath, it isn’t hard at all.
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Dang, I definitely don't want to break his oath. But I also usually don't sneak around murdering people, so maybe it will be fine. Thanks guys.
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You’ll be fine. After getting used to it, there have been no more problems. If you need to do anything nefarious, tell Wyll to cover his eye and count backwards from 100.
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I can’t see Wyll as a bard. Dancing and singing around the battlefield doesn’t fit his character or story at all from my perspective, but I don’t really like bards much in general.
... You did not get the camp scene with Wyll dancing? He seems to be fitting for being Bard to a certain extent. However, I also don't like Bards, if you don't want one it's ok to combi with a Paladin (which I also don't like) or any class. First I had a lot of considering back and forth wether I could change Shadowheart's subclass, lore-wise, but finally sent lore to vacation and did it (because I was angry after my first and only wipe so far, in the creche in the captain's room, grrrr ...). Why not, it's a single player game.
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Wyll, the Blade of the Frontier, demon slayer, hero feared by forces both infernal and demonic.
1st level.
Yep, typical character bio.
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I can’t see Wyll as a bard. Dancing and singing around the battlefield doesn’t fit his character or story at all from my perspective, but I don’t really like bards much in general.
... You did not get the camp scene with Wyll dancing? He seems to be fitting for being Bard to a certain extent. However, I also don't like Bards, if you don't want one it's ok to combi with a Paladin (which I also don't like) or any class. First I had a lot of considering back and forth wether I could change Shadowheart's subclass, lore-wise, but finally sent lore to vacation and did it (because I was angry after my first and only wipe so far, in the creche in the captain's room, grrrr ...). Why not, it's a single player game. No, at that time I had not gotten that scene yet. Wyll, the Blade of the Frontier, demon slayer, hero feared by forces both infernal and demonic.
1st level.
Yep, typical character bio. Your complaint has nothing to do with the topic and eye-rollingly dull. ![[Linked Image from i.gifer.com]](https://i.gifer.com/Bop.gif)
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Dang, I definitely don't want to break his oath. But I also usually don't sneak around murdering people, so maybe it will be fine. Thanks guys. As long as you don't attack any characters that are yellow instead of red, it seems to be fine. There's also usually a cutscene option to initiate combat for most of these situations, which doesn't count as oathbreaking unless you attack without provocation. I'm at the end of Act 1 with my Ancients Paladin and have had no issues maintaining my oath.
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Wyll, the Blade of the Frontier, demon slayer, hero feared by forces both infernal and demonic.
1st level.
Yep, typical character bio. This was addressed in the game. Multiple times when you talk to him he explains that he used to deal with much bigger threats, but that the tadpole drained him of almost all his power. He's also never played up as being secretly more powerful than he actually is, which makes the sterotypical "Gary Stu" backstory work on him. I can’t see Wyll as a bard. Dancing and singing around the battlefield doesn’t fit his character or story at all from my perspective, but I don’t really like bards much in general.
My idea is that his Paladin oath is a promise to himself to destroy his patron. Makes more story sense to me. Also, heavy armor and smites on Wyll are pretty cool. I killed Lae’zel, so he is my only heavy armor character. I don’t have a full healer in my party right now, so Lay on Hands is a nice perk. A bard doesn't have to be just about music, it can also be about spreading stories and inspiring others via deeds. Wyll 100% fits a Bard and he would fit well with Valor, Lore, or Swords.
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I still don’t see Wyll as a bard. Bard’s are performers. Wyll acts like a swashbuckling nobleman. That doesn’t say bard to me.
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I still don’t see Wyll as a bard. Bard’s are performers. Wyll acts like a swashbuckling nobleman. That doesn’t say bard to me. Bard Class Details
Humming as she traces her fingers over an ancient monument in a long-forgotten ruin, a half-elf in rugged leathers finds knowledge springing into her mind, conjured forth by the magic of her song—knowledge of the people who constructed the monument and the mythic saga it depicts.
A stern human warrior bangs his sword rhythmically against his scale mail, setting the tempo for his war chant and exhorting his companions to bravery and heroism. The magic of his song fortifies and emboldens them.
Laughing as she tunes her cittern, a gnome weaves her subtle magic over the assembled nobles, ensuring that her companions’ words will be well received.
Whether scholar, skald, or scoundrel, a bard weaves magic through words and music to inspire allies, demoralize foes, manipulate minds, create illusions, and even heal wounds. Bards do not need to be entrainer / sex addicts. I can see Wyll trying to inspire his companions through words and deeds so a Valor Bard for him would work for me. Same as a Sword Bard at that would be him focusing on his swordsmanship. In one of my tabletop games, I played a Bard as a private investigator ( College of Eloquence ) who fast talked his way into and out of trouble.
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Who said anything about sex addicts? 0.o
But bards are inherently performers. That is what the word means (technically a poet, but often reciting while playing music). Even if you deviated from that in table top, in BG3 they cast their spells with musical instruments, so there is no way around it here.
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