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First of all
It's okay to be woke...etc.

It's a roleplaying game, you're supposed to have options to be "woke" or...not.

However, I am noticing that every quest/interaction seemed to have a higher likelihood of involving a homosexual couple than heterosexual one(not counting anyone in player char's party, nor the plot-essential npc(s)), by end of Act3, from
Isobel/Aylin
, to
Blushing Mermaid upstairs daughter/father argument where daughter has a girlfriend
, to
he Gondian whose wife got killed
, possibly
Blurg and Omeluum
, and maybe even
Gortash, IIRC letters...etc. makes it seem like he's "involved" with firework shop owner and new agency owner
.
What are the heterosexual couples involved in quest/interactions? Or even just hinted at in writing/random npc dialogues as you walk by?

I struggle to remember them beside
Mayrina, whose husband died and has a quest chain if you saved her from hag, and the family about to leave the father behind at the docks in lower city.
Plausible
Yrre and Lenore, though iirc Yrre's gender was never revealed.
One of the few possibles:
Gyldro Angleiron has his shop keeper fauning over him, but he's pretty much destined to die when you get to Orin and there's no evidence of an actual romantic relationship there.
.

And generally it seems like
going against the "woke" choice means you're being evil, for example taking father's side in Blushing Mermaid, so you're railroaded into being pro-"woke" if you're just trying to not be evil, with no option to be neutral.

Again, it's okay to be woke and I totally support that; but has this game gone a little too far?
(to me, it feels like it watered everything down by having too many instead of focusing on the few important ones, I expected more of
aylin/isobel but ironically they even leave camp when you're done with question chain by killing lorroakan
) Who/where are some of the examples of heterosexual couples you noticed in BG3?

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This ain't it chief.

[Linked Image from media.tenor.com]

But if you want a hetero couple, you can look at Arabella's parents or Dannis and Bex. Or the various hetero couples on the street in Baldur's Gate.

If you want to steer the thread in another direction, I agree it would have been nice for Aylin and Isobel to have more buildup or foreshadowing to their romance.

Edit:
More hetero couples:
Ketheric and Melodia
The Bibberbang Couple in the Myconid Colony
Mayrina and her "Husband"
Technically the Drow Twins
Technically Gale and Mystra

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Originally Posted by Zerubbabel
This ain't it chief.

[Linked Image from media.tenor.com]

But if you want a hetero couple, you can look at Arabella's parents or Dannis and Bex. Or the various hetero couples on the street in Baldur's Gate.

If you want to steer the thread in another direction, I agree it would have been nice for Aylin and Isobel to have more buildup or foreshadowing to their romance.
That's two, but there are also homosexual couples on the streets in the Gate too.

There's also Elfsong tavern's
throak family, the husband got cucked by a female, iirc; so I guess it counts as both?

Hell I would settle for aylin/isobel to
be found in Isobel's room in moonrise tower at end of act 2, doing what Aylin said she would do; and just not leave camp at the end of act3 after finishing that quest chain
I also expected isobel to
be a super real doppleganger made to fool Ketheric instead, and make it a sad/dark end
but nothing panned out.

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I don't think it's a "heterosexual vs. homosexual" issue and it may be a mistake to look for parity in the framing device for an intentional story.

It's more like the writers saw that queer stories have historically gone untold in this medium and decided to tell a few of their own. How many prominent queer relationships can you name in over a quarter-century of RPGs?

EDIT:
Please meet me halfway here. I am really trying to assume good faith.

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Originally Posted by Zerubbabel
I don't think it's a "heterosexual vs. homosexual" issue and it may be a mistake to look for parity in the framing device for an intentional story.

It's more like the writers saw that queer stories have historically gone untold in this medium and decided to tell a few of their own. How many prominent queer relationships can you name in over a quarter-century of RPGs?

EDIT:
Please meet me halfway here. I am really trying to assume good faith.
What parity/with what? I'm looking for more balanced and nuanced representation instead of overuse of tokens. Not constant reminder that Baldur's Gate is California of faerun.



You shouldn't be trying to make up for anything in the past decades in a single game, that's like trying to stay asleep 24/7 for a month to make up for a year+ of lack of sleep.

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if it's ok to be woke to you why did you look at a forum that already has a dozen threads on this topic, and make this thread?

There are rules againt flamming/trolling here right?

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Minthara is the best character and she NEEDS to be recruitable if you side with the grove!
Also- I support the important thread in the suggestions: Let everyone in the Party Speak
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Originally Posted by Starshine
There are rules againt flamming/trolling here right?
Yeah, but it's 1:30 AM in the UK right now and Red Queen is probably asleep.


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Originally Posted by Starshine
if it's ok to be woke to you why did you look at a forum that already has a dozen threads on this topic, and make this thread?

There are rules againt flamming/trolling here right?
Because this isn't about that. I want the homosexual couples condensed and more fleshed out rather than "hey we got lotsa gays are we woke now?"

Why are you trying to flame/troll?

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Painfully obvious bait.

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Originally Posted by BOKU Haram
Originally Posted by Zerubbabel
I don't think it's a "heterosexual vs. homosexual" issue and it may be a mistake to look for parity in the framing device for an intentional story.

It's more like the writers saw that queer stories have historically gone untold in this medium and decided to tell a few of their own. How many prominent queer relationships can you name in over a quarter-century of RPGs?

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Please meet me halfway here. I am really trying to assume good faith.
What parity/with what? I'm looking for more balanced and nuanced representation instead of overuse of tokens. Not constant reminder that Baldur's Gate is California of faerun.

The existence of LGBT people in a work of media, especially at the forefront of said media, is not the overuse of a token.

We define tokenism as:
the practice of making only a perfunctory or symbolic effort to do a particular thing, especially by recruiting a small number of people from underrepresented groups in order to give the appearance of sexual or racial equality within a workforce: the use of gay supporting characters is mere tokenism.

The appearance of these couples is not symbolic or perfunctory, whereas further addition of heterosexual couples for the sake of "balance" would be a form of tokenism.


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Originally Posted by Piff
Painfully obvious bait.
Should I just disengage lmao?


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Didn't realize I was on Steam forums.

Anyone who thinks simply including homosexuality = woke is a troll / hate baiter.

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