Larian Studios Forums Baldur's Gate III Baldur's Gate III - Suggestions & Feedback Minthara + Halsin possible.

- Do normal Act 1 stuff, free Halsin in the Prison, but then tell him you cant help him since you got bigger worries. I also redeemed Kagha.
- Leave Act 1. In my case over the Mountain Pass, just ignore the entire Underdark. Did the Githyanki Cresh on Level 5 and ran into Elminster as usual.
- go with the Absolut Cultists, but during the Encounter you switch sides and help the Harpers assasinate the Drider.
- Last Light in, refuse to Help Marcus, save Isobel. Tieflings all dead, because I did not prevent the Ambush.
- Go to Moonrise, free Minthara.
- Explore the City, find the Lute, go back and play the Melody.
- Art asks for Halsin, so I went back to Act 1, and talked to Halsin who still somehow had not left the Goblin Prison -- despite me telling him I wont help him further.
- Halsin leaves for Act 2 and after a Longrest I found im in the Last Light in and could finish his Quest as usual.

meet her in ACT II by knocking her out during the raid or within the goblin camp and then saving her from Moonrise for failing the Absolute, at which point she'd join the camp.

a her that tried and failed to kill his people only to be imprisoned by her own boss, then escape and find out she was mind controlled the whole time, would he be able to forgive her and would she accept it if he did?

all the tieflings die in this way I described above.

(Since Minthara will still Ambush them on the Road.)

But I would totally say since there is a very logical way of just being a merc who is only interested in his own safety, actually recruiting both, this should work!

Like Attacking either side, Druid Grove or Goblin camp is a tough ask of a low level "Person" , so just avoiding to pick a side is a very valid solution.
Meeting up and freeing Minthara : Well you know she was a former Leader, and you need Info, so this makes sense.
Then upon getting told: "This Person can help Halsin lift the curse" - Again, its not really picking a side, its just a message and an Escort Quest, so I totally see a way for a chaotic Neutral Party to go down that route.

find a way to kill *all* the goblins without triggering automatic hostility from them (so after fighting one set you could go to the next room and they'd still think you weren't an enemy instead of plot-flagging the entire base as enemies. stealth shenanigans).
Then kill the other two leaders, Gut and the hobgoblin guy. Again without flagging myself as enemy to the entire base, so Minthara still wouldn't be hostile.
Then leverage the fact there's nobody left for Minthara to use against the grove to side with the grove without killing Minthara, or side with her except without attacking the grove if you prefer to think of it that way, and ultimately recruiting her while the tieflings and grove all survive.

when you defeat the goblins and rescue H as usual, Minthara escapes after being around you in the fight long enough to have felt silence=doubt. defeated and shamed returns to Moonrise and then you find her in prison in act 2 and rescue her as usual.

I avoided Minthara like the plague during my rampage in the Goblin camps in Act 1 (Hint: use the Ogre horn if you make a deal with them in Blighted Village). Now looking forward to encountering her in Act 2. Hate that the tieflings have to die though when I had already massacred their would-be attackers.

Halsin can forgive Kagha who was willing to murder Arabella and send all tieflings to their deaths while also giving away the entire Grove to the Shadow Druids, then surely he would forgive mindcontrolled Minthara who breaks free from the Absolute's shackles. He is a reasonable man after all and there already is such a relationship in the camp between Shadowheart and Lae'zel, who end up making peace eventually.

Naturally it wouldn't happen instantly, both Minthara and Halsin would be at eachother's throats until we bring Halsin the book from Moonrise which describes exactly how Minthara came into the Absolute's service and proves her innocence, which is found in Ketheric's own private chambers. Bing, bang, boom. Both happy campers

do act1 quests but skip Kagha conspiracy, don't murder Minthara, and don't free Halsin.
Trigger the druid ritual by going to mountain pass zone.
All the tiefling squatters are now dead on the road (yay!).
If you free Halsin he will meet you at the grove front gate and tell you that the grove is now permanently lost to the world because there's a few twigs in the way and say that he may as well hang out at your camp instead.
The problem is if you agree tp help Minthara's raid she joins you at the grove entrance and confirms that the 10 foot high wall and the twigs in the way do, in fact, make it impossible to attack the grove with an army of goblin sappers. Then she says it's all your fault and attacks you like she's your crazy ex gf or something. Pretty sure this is a screw up on Larian's part since I didn't even meet her until after the grove was closed. I didn't play long enough to see if she shows up in Moonrise, though.

By ignoring the central plot and not getting involved, the result could be both Halsin and Minthara (and most of the NPCs with 3 act content) somehow survive the ordeal, and when we come down from the Mountain we get to have Pity Party in the aftermath with the principles. Some pithy achievement like "Your Quest is Vain" but where we can wash our hands of most of the bloodshed without really losing out on either of the potential companions.

To pull this off the PC should have to lie shamelessly in their first interaction with Zevlor, Halsin and Minthara, tricking each of them with some opening misdirection. Here we set up patsies in each faction to take the fall for the stuff that we (the party) are actually doing hehe. Along this path maybe one of the bit players should go down, but only after they've delivered most of their flavor dialogue. Good candidates might be Brynna or Andrick, or the Aradin crew, characters like that. They should get a proper send off, but perhaps not at the Gates to the Grove since we've already seen that. Goal should be to screw over all 3 factions, perhaps via the Githyanki who we could also involve in the schemes, by telling them we've seen the weapon the seek and know right where to find it? Something like that. In this scenario most of the same characters die who would have died anyway if choosing one of the other standard paths, just in different ways here, but where the mains all make it out clean. The price on this one should maybe be losing a merchant or something more minor like that, but still allowing all the potential companions to survive through the first act.

The Tief kids home alone it into a scenario where Minthara is captured and locked up using a series of elaborate traps. Then she has to undergo a tribunal with Mol and the Owlbear cub presiding. Halsin should break in on this, amused at first, but ultimately intervening to prevent lord of the flies justice. In this scenario the Goblin kids also survive, and Arabella etc and it should tie in at that point with Halsin's quest in the Shadowlands, ie Minthara knows something about that, and so Halsin has more reason to keep her close. In this dynamic Halsin should use some sort of Druidic spell to remove Minthara's brand I think, and their initial thing should be like Halsin is taking responsibility for her. You know, like tables turned and now she's his prisoner instead. On Minthara's end, she should escape right afterwards, like that very first night, so she can be captured and sent off to Moonrise by parties unknown.