Larian Studios Forums Baldur's Gate III Baldur's Gate III - Suggestions & Feedback Bring back Dream Lovers for the Origin Characters, make Guardian unique to Tav

First and foremost I want to say that I absolutely love the implementation of the Guardian and I much prefer it to the original Daisy/Dream Lover we had in EA so great job on that, devs! That was definitely the right call and whoever came up with the idea deserves a raise.

This said, one of the things I was looking forward the most in my subsequential playthroughs was to play as an Origin Character to experience their unique story AND their unique dreams! The datamined ones we could see for Astarion were pretty great and I was SO SO SO looking forward to see Lae'zel's involving the Lich Queen.

Since my first playthrough was as Tav I didn't find it strange that I was asked to customize my Guardian the way we did for Daisy in EA but as I was playing and began to experience the dreams I realized that ALL the companions were sharing the exact same one and I immediately thought that that was super weird. It doesn't get any better the more the story progresses because at a certain point I was clearly hearing my party members reciting snippets of leftover dialogue from EA that either didn't make any sense with the current dreams (Example: Shadowheart saying that the voice told her she'd become 'a beautiful weapon' but this is just one of many) or flat out contraddicted what was happening. Not to mention, that now what I've finished the game twice and have a clear understanding of who the Guardian is, it's just ridiculous to imagine that they would manifest in everybody's dreams separately and basically repeat the same lines each time.

I have yet to experience any of the Origin Characters (will probably start a playthrough as Astarion next week), but I've been reading what other players are saying here in the forums and it seems like most agree that custom Tav, not unlike the custom character in DoS 2, gets the short end of the stick (Githyanki Tav being completely overshadowed by Lae'zel for example, which is such a shame since I loved my Gith barbarian in EA and I was planning to recreate him in the final game :<) and so I was thinking... what if what makes Tav unique is that they are the only one who gets to interact with the Guardian and by reflection...


Obviously, this will require to reintroduce some of the cut dialogue from EA for the companions and the re-recording of some scenes in the prism but I think could partially resolve the issue with Tav feeling a bit bland compared to the Origin Characters without forcing something too specific onto their backstory like playing as the Dark Urge does.

I think that the endings could also be left mostly as they are, including the possibility/necessity of


I really want to hear your opinion on this guys... am I crazy or do you think this is feasable? Would you have preferred this alternative version of the game I describe here over what we got? Discuss!!!

And, before I go...thanks for reading and thanks a bunch to Larian for developing this wonderful game. These past 3 yeard have been a blast.

It is my understanding that the other 'guardians' were unique under the Daisy scenario. Due to the nature of the Guardian being a semi-last minute re-write to an integral character, they likely did not have sufficient time to re-do a unique guardian for every origin (bringing VA actors back in, re-recording an entirely new script, etc), so it's a what-you-see-is-what-you-get sort of scenario.

On my a personal level, I think they should have kept Daisy but re-wrote he/she to be more subtle, but that still begs the question, that any re-write of the original or the change to the Guardian would still require time and resources, which I'm guessing they didn't have.

Based on the companion dialogue after dreams, it's implied the dream visitor has at least a different appearance for each of them.

For example, Gale always refers to the dream visitor as female, even if Tav's is male, Karlach describes hers as a "golden paladin," etc.

I never got any of this dialogue from them. Lae's makes sense with the new armor tho.

I think its actually specified that Lae'zel dreamed of Vlaakith,and Shadowheart of a man she was fond of.

I do think that Daisy should be brought abck in some capacity.

You should be asked at the beginning of the game "Who do you dream of... A corruptor, or a guardian"

I actually like the Guardian/Emperor thing, but at the same time I do indeed miss it being unique to each character, Astarion seeing Cazador, Lae-zel seeing Vlaakith, etc. I really liked that and it was a way to get them to open up a little bit. Further, it felt more menacing and it seemed like we could give in to the romance of the dream entity at the risk of turning? or something? either way, I really miss this and if we could have it back without taking the Emperor, I think that would make sense too, especially because there was that line of "I have enough swimming in my head already" it kind of felt out of place then, but with the addition of the guardian, it makes WAYYY more sense now. Also, I don't think elevs have the dialogue choice anymore of "I don't sleep how is this posslbe" and it just seems wrong because they don't sleep and there should be an acknowledgement of that.

This is contradicted by the ending of the game where you see that all four dream figures are the same person, or similar enough that the differences are very slight.

I noticed that too lol a minor oversight, would be nice to be consistent for sure.