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I’m not sure if this was discussed here, but anyone noticed Astarion’s quest finale has a big plot hole?
Cazador desperately needs Astarion to perform the ritual. But he starts it before Astarion even arrives in his castle. Moreover, he orders to magically seal the door, so when the player actually arrives with Astarion (or without him), they need to find the way inside. When Astarion is inside, Cazador is happy, because NOW he can perform the ritual.
Why did he start it without Astarion and blocked the way?
Or maybe I'm missing something?
Last edited by Phea; 04/09/23 09:14 PM.
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I've mentioned this in... some thread or other around here, but yeah. You can find a note in the mansion which implies he was planning to replace Astarion with someone else, but that didn't happen, apparently. I'm not sure why - apparently all he needs is another spawn with the right symbol carved on them. Wouldn't have been hard to do.
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apparently all he needs is another spawn with the right symbol carved on them. Wouldn't have been hard to do. I thought it must be a spawn that brought all these victims to him, or else this spawn's part of the victims won't count (Cazador says that the victims are bound to him through spawns blood - which also is a bit weird, because their blood has nothing to do with bringing these people to the palace but nevermind this).
Last edited by Phea; 04/09/23 09:24 PM.
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Apparently that's not quite necessary, because Cazador can replace Astarion in the ritual and Cazador didn't bring Astarion any spawn. Cazador did make all the spawn, of course - I guess that's enough?
The door unlocking as Astarion approaches is sort of a sign that Cazador knows he's there. Maybe. But the ritual is already underway, isn't it? Or wasn't it? I dunno.
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I found some stuff my last playthrough If you read just about everything in the various rooms you have access to in Cazadors house, before going to the basement. Now this is from memory but I read a note that said; (Paraphrasing)
'They' (can't remember which 'they' but it might have been whoever was the major domo in the house) were going to take Astarions place using a potion of seeming - think that was the name but anyway they were going to look like Astarion. Then when Cazador was vulnerable they were going to kill him and take his power. Clearly said personage hadn't done his homework. I remember reading it and thinking well that explains why Cazador locked the doors then, he thought everyone was in. Presumably this person didn't realise that if the ruse was succesful he'd be immobile or that the pact on Astarions back was part of the rite- he'd probably never seen it so couldn't reproduce it and was most likely dead by Cazadors hand not long after the doors were locked
Last edited by Bethra; 08/09/23 11:39 PM.
# Justice for Astarion
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I’d assume Cazador is much more cunning than you’re giving credit for, and he’s expecting Astarion to do exactly what he did, and come to confront him. I suppose being his master and lord for 2 centuries would give you a lot of insight into Astarion’s mind. Cazador probably would either try a replacement or play his cards exactly to bring Astarion back. But he probably did not expect Astarion to have made friends and bring companions with him who’d fight to kick his vampire ass.
Rawr.
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I understand that, but it doesn't answer the question why did he seal the door to make it harder for Astarion to get there and started the ritual without him.
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Could be to fool the others? I understand what you’re saying, but I don’t see this as a big plot hole. It could be made clearer, but I don’t think it detracts from the storyline, since everything else makes sense if you assume he’s expecting Astarion to be attracted to the rite and show up.
Rawr.
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Didn't the other spawn tell Astarion that Cazador has his eyes on him and knew all along where he was, etc. Then, at the mansion there's a diary or something where it's clear that the spawns at some point told Cazador Astarion is coming for him. Which would mean Cazador knows Astarion is coming and therefor he has prepared everything for that moment, so that when Astarion does arrive, he can just send him to his spot and proceed with the ritual, which he does because he can still control Astarion.
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Didn't the other spawn tell Astarion that Cazador has his eyes on him and knew all along where he was, etc. Then, at the mansion there's a diary or something where it's clear that the spawns at some point told Cazador Astarion is coming for him. Which would mean Cazador knows Astarion is coming and therefor he has prepared everything for that moment, so that when Astarion does arrive, he can just send him to his spot and proceed with the ritual, which he does because he can still control Astarion. I'm not sure how this refers to my question. Cazador magically blocked the way to the dungeon, to make sure no one will come through it - and he did this before Astarion arrived so he intentionally blocked Astarion's way. Also, the ritual already started at this point, as Godey and Cazador's servant say in the game.
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