Larian Studios Forums Baldur's Gate III Baldur's Gate III - General Re-spec retains learned wizard scroll spells

Kind of an odd little bonus to re-spec a character from wizard into a multi-class wizard/spellcaster: you retain all the wizard spells you learned from scrolls.

Example: Start with wizard level 6 who chose Fireball at level up and then learned Fly from a scroll during gameplay. Go to Withers, re-spec the character to Bard 5/Wizard 1. Now you get to prepare only two wizard spells, but ... the Fly spell is still in your wizard book and you can cast it using a level 3 slot. The fireball spell is gone, however, since that was selected and not learned from a scroll in this example.

I am level 8 in my game now, and I am still learning what I do and do not like. I like dual wielding hand-crossbows quite a bit. Fireball is great, but glyph of warding is even better in some ways. More than one Misty Step is always good to have (see above). Concentration type spells are a bit frustrating, but bonus action spells (Spirit Weapon, Healing Word) and reaction spells (Shield) are fantastic.

Kind of a long winded and unnecessary approach when you can just take 1 wizard level and memorize every scroll without needing to do any of that.

Also we have a mega thread for wizard issues now https://forums.larian.com/ubbthreads.php?ubb=showflat&Number=883918#Post883918

Initially I made it just to discuss pure wizard vs pure sorcerer, but it (d)evolved into this topic as well.

I've personally played out the popular 'powergamer' 2 wizard / 2 cleric / 8 sorc build in Act 3, its a lot better than a wizard but not really any better than a pure sorcerer.

IMO the main issue is that metamagics are OP and only sorcerers get them in 5e.

In my version of the game, which is the updated full release version, a level 1 wizard can learn only level 1 spells. No Misty Step that way!

Oh, I didn't realize they already fixed that.

"a level 1 wizard can learn only level 1 spells. No Misty Step that way!"

--- That is the case only if your char that contains this level 1 wiz class does not have a spell slot of a level high enough for the scroll being scribed. A perfect example is: if you have a char with 11 sorc + 1 wiz. This char, albeit being a level 1 wiz, can scribe every wiz scroll in the game that the char has not known yet.

In one of my playthroughs I have a F1/W1/Bard 9 (soon to be 10). I can learn wizard spells all the way up to level 5, because I have level 5 spell slots. I cannot at the moment learn level 6 spells, but when I level up one more time and pick bard (or any full spellcaster) then I will be able to scribe level 6 spells too.

Oh nvm, so they didn't fix it yet.

Whoa, I just tried that with Shadowheart. Fortunately I had a bunch of scrolls in my inventory, and sure enough, by making her a Wiz 1/Cleric 7 I was able to learn all the mage scrolls up to 4th level spells. So as long as you can find the scrolls, a multiclass wiz(1)/cleric(x) can eventually learn and cast every wizard spell in the game. Wow! I guess the downside is that you can pick only a few wizard spells to prepare, and their difficulty will be based on intelligence ... but they can be of any spell level and not every spell has a saving throw. Huh, this makes me re-think my class progression yet again! The Mists of Unknowing continue to astound me.

Yes, and its not a bug.

The PHB says that wizards can learn any spell from scrolls they have spell slots for.

And in D&D5 you can gain higher level spell slots through multiclassing.

So there is nothing to "fix".

I don't actually think it needs to be fixed, but any time I try explaining to people that a multiclassed Wizard using this trick is still weaker than a pure sorcerer they just stay mad and continue to view it as an exploit.

All the memorizable utility spells? Druids can cast them all without needing to memorize scrolls. Damage spells? You pick fire or lightning and just upcast fireball or lightning bolt. Lightning is better as theres several subclasses that boost lightning spells, and also you get chain lightning with your level 6 slots.

Theres no spells I absolutely needed to memorize, just that at first deep into act 3 I was struggling to find a lightning bolt scroll to try out the multiclass lightning spec, and its ok but still not as good as a pure sorcerer. The level 1 ritual spells like featherfall / enhance leap and such, you can pick them on an EK or AT if you really want them - Laezel with athletics and enhance leap basically jumps across the the entire map. For longstrider make a camp transmutation wizard, or have either halsim or jaheira pre buff from camp.