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Could not agree more!
I was planning on posting about this myself and perhaps I should have so that Larian could see that this is an issue. Don't know if they care, but they definitely should.
I waited for this game and I HAVE NOT BOUGHT IT after I saw the character creator in youtube videos, and I have played through every notable CRPG made in the past three decades. Will I ever play BG3? Sure, one day in the forseeable future I'll buy the game once it's on discount and play it through once with a friend using one of the origin characters.
But I originally planned to make a custom character and do a total completionist run in single player. Something like I did with Pillars of Eternity that I played for over 600 hours.
I read BG3 wiki. I was planning the class I'd choose for a couple of days and then I saw a youtube video about the character creator.
To say that the character creator was a disappointment is putting it mildly. It's shockingly bare. I guess it would have been fine couple of decades ago when Neverwinter Nights came, but today? Come on! Saint's Row did better in 2008. Dragon Age: Inquisition had one of the better character creators and people you made with it looked natural and fantastic in the cinematics. That was 2014.
My issue with BG3 faces is that they lack all personality. They are boring. Dull. Worst of all they look like modern people, very modern people, the kind you can only see post 2016 when selfies, filters and lip fillers became the norm.
Females are awful. Men are no better, they look like runaway models. Zero connection to any of them. A couple of male dwarves, halflings, half-orcs and dragonborn are passable, but none of the females are and given chance I usually play female characters. A couple of tattoos, make up or different hairstyles won't fix their faces.
Also, there are way less presets than the six per race. Same presets repeat through different races and even males and females often share the same features. Take a look at female elf 3 on the lower row and male gnome 1 on the upper row and tell me that ain't same face underneath it all.
Now I hear that the same faces even repeat in the game. So not only will I see the same people over and over again they will also look the same as my main character. Unbelievable.
So, it's origin characters or nothing.
I liked Torment and Witcher just fine, but even though the games were excellent I never had the same connection to the main characters as I did when I could create my own and that was possible with custom portraits already in the 90's when BG1 came out. Yes, Baldur's Gate 1 had a better character creator than Baldur's gate 3 that came over two decades later!
And lastly just to clarify one thing. Every character I have created over the past decades has been different from one another. I hate repetition. I don't play as "hot" chicks or want my characters to look even remotely like myself.
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To be honest, I have a rule to skip any RPG with no character customization, no matter how good/acclaimed the game is. The only exception in my 30 years gaming experience being Witcher, for obvious reasons. Now, I couldn't skip BG3, because no matter how awful, the character customization still exists here. But it doesn't mean I won't complain about it 
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Could not agree more!
I was planning on posting about this myself and perhaps I should have so that Larian could see that this is an issue. Don't know if they care, but they definitely should.
I waited for this game and I HAVE NOT BOUGHT IT after I saw the character creator in youtube videos, and I have played through every notable CRPG made in the past three decades. Will I ever play BG3? Sure, one day in the forseeable future I'll buy the game once it's on discount and play it through once with a friend using one of the origin characters.
But I originally planned to make a custom character and do a total completionist run in single player. Something like I did with Pillars of Eternity that I played for over 600 hours.
I read BG3 wiki. I was planning the class I'd choose for a couple of days and then I saw a youtube video about the character creator.
To say that the character creator was a disappointment is putting it mildly. It's shockingly bare. I guess it would have been fine couple of decades ago when Neverwinter Nights came, but today? Come on! Saint's Row did better in 2008. Dragon Age: Inquisition had one of the better character creators and people you made with it looked natural and fantastic in the cinematics. That was 2014.
My issue with BG3 faces is that they lack all personality. They are boring. Dull. Worst of all they look like modern people, very modern people, the kind you can only see post 2016 when selfies, filters and lip fillers became the norm.
Females are awful. Men are no better, they look like runaway models. Zero connection to any of them. A couple of male dwarves, halflings, half-orcs and dragonborn are passable, but none of the females are and given chance I usually play female characters. A couple of tattoos, make up or different hairstyles won't fix their faces.
Also, there are way less presets than the six per race. Same presets repeat through different races and even males and females often share the same features. Take a look at female elf 3 on the lower row and male gnome 1 on the upper row and tell me that ain't same face underneath it all.
Now I hear that the same faces even repeat in the game. So not only will I see the same people over and over again they will also look the same as my main character. Unbelievable.
So, it's origin characters or nothing.
I liked Torment and Witcher just fine, but even though the games were excellent I never had the same connection to the main characters as I did when I could create my own and that was possible with custom portraits already in the 90's when BG1 came out. Yes, Baldur's Gate 1 had a better character creator than Baldur's gate 3 that came over two decades later!
And lastly just to clarify one thing. Every character I have created over the past decades has been different from one another. I hate repetition. I don't play as "hot" chicks or want my characters to look even remotely like myself. Yeah, I couldn't find anyone post about this here, maybe I missed them, I saw player complaint in redidt, not sure whether they check player feedback in other places so I decided to create a thread about character creation here. I was originally gonna post in regards of adding slider into the game. (E.g Silder for outer face, body wideness and other options, moving eyes, nose or mouth up or down) but I think they just won't even consider adding it into the game so I ask for more faces and body option instead, perhaps that's a more realistic bet than slider options.
Last edited by VioletHeart; 14/09/23 12:39 PM.
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Personally I dont care about more body options at all. I utterly fail to see the gain. Immersion and diversity aside, there are even some practical ones. Having normal or thin body while ALSO being tall (which is currently impossible) would provide a better scenes for romance with Karlach, for example  Immersion to me is a term that gets brutally abused all the time in gaming forums. A game has good immersion if it has good game mechanics. Thats the only trick to actually immerse people in a game. Thats why a game like chess has such extreme immersion. Realism isnt one, unless lack of realism breaks your suspension of disbelief. The Tiefling and Githyanki both break my suspension of disbelief, for example, thats why I'm annoyed about them. No point in complaining though because neither will go away (or rather, made more realistic, like I would much prefer them), so whatever.
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Considering how strongly I feel about the faces presented at the moment I am skeptical if they even could create something that I like, even if they tried to add a little variance to the presets.
I mean, clearly the person/people who made the character creator have different preferences for faces than I do, hence why giving people the option to make their own is, and would have been, the right choice.
Here's a compromise that could work. (Don't know how hard it would be to implement at the moment, I don't know how customizable their engine is, but Dragon's Dogma could do it.)
An option to mix and match eyes, noses and mouths freely! Give us that at the least!
I don't like the mouths that the characters have for the most part, they don't look natural and most of the eyes have a kind of vacant look in them, but if I could take one nose from somewhere, eyes from another and mouth too, I am pretty sure I could make something out of that.
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An option to mix and match eyes, noses and mouths freely! Give us that at the least! Yeah, that's what I've suggested in some other thread (there are plenty, in fact) - if sliders are no no, then AT LEAST give us presets for different face parts - eyes, noses, lips etc. That should be possible with the current game engine, as far as I am aware.
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Personally I dont care about more body options at all. I utterly fail to see the gain. Immersion and diversity aside, there are even some practical ones. Having normal or thin body while ALSO being tall (which is currently impossible) would provide a better scenes for romance with Karlach, for example  Immersion to me is a term that gets brutally abused all the time in gaming forums. A game has good immersion if it has good game mechanics. Thats the only trick to actually immerse people in a game. Thats why a game like chess has such extreme immersion. Realism isnt one, unless lack of realism breaks your suspension of disbelief. The Tiefling and Githyanki both break my suspension of disbelief, for example, thats why I'm annoyed about them. No point in complaining though because neither will go away (or rather, made more realistic, like I would much prefer them), so whatever. Immersion can be many things, but I'll tell you what it is to me. Dark room, noise cancelling headphones and a good RPG. I forget that this world even exists. I even forget that I exist. When I play a strategy game I'm kind of half there. It takes focus, but I know that I am playing a game. With BG3 it's kind of hard to forget this world when every woman in the game reminds me of filtered instagram bimbos, plastic surgery, nose jobs and lip fillers and the men aren't much better. Where are melancholic eyes? Smaller piercing eyes? Epicanthic fold on others besides the one asian face? Sure, there are a few more natural looking faces, but even those I don't like. If a character has no personality it's kind of hard to roleplay them. Blank face ends up being a blank empty person. If I played BG3 right now I'd be only half there and my character's face (and her dopplegangers in the game world) would constantly remind me that I am, indeed, just playing a game. Sorry to say, but I expected more from BG3. Like I said before, I'll play it, but I'm no longer in any hurry and it remains to be seen if any improvements have been made by then.
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Relying on mods will always suck because mod makers are overwhelmingly straight men who make mods for sexy doll female characters most of the time anyways (fine for them, they put in their work to reward their horniness, but this is not a solution that works for everyone). The only way to get parity in content has to be official releases from the actual game developers. Excuse me? I like those mods and I'm straight female. Sexuality and biological sex have absolutely nothing to do with it. Modern western games too often make the women look androgynous or ugly af and I have to correct that.... with mods. I want incredibly feminine women. I play games to play pretend and be things I cannot be irl that I sometimes wish I could be. Hot af women is one of them.
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It's a shame that the people who designed the game and made these choices thought certain elements from different cultures would look cool but adding anyone who actually looked like they were from that culture or part of the world would throw everything off artistically. It would be nice to be able to fully customize a character but I would take new presets with more diversity!
Still having a blast playing though lol
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It's a shame that the people who designed the game and made these choices thought certain elements from different cultures would look cool but adding anyone who actually looked like they were from that culture or part of the world would throw everything off artistically. It would be nice to be able to fully customize a character but I would take new presets with more diversity!
Still having a blast playing though lol Same here, hope they'll add more more faces or sliders but regardless I'm totally having fun lol!
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It would be a very cool move if Larian could release a Toolset for the community to create own Presets for heads and others.
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