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Joined: Aug 2023
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On my second run through and looking to complete some of the things I missed/failed to do - one of which is to save the Last Light Inn, however as I (now) understand it Nightsong has to live for this to happen.
Just starting act 2, but as I'm currently playing as a Cleric I've left Shadowheart in camp for the whole of Act I meaning I've not done anything to get her approval up, or done any of the dialog stuff with her either really. I will be taking her with me to the Gauntlet of Shar (as I wanted to try different options in her Act 3 stuff) Just want to know, is it still possible to save the Nightsong when you've not bothered to do anything with Shadowheart up to that point?
Or do I need to dump Gale (I'm a Tempest Cleric so think I can just about fill in for him) and drag her along so I can get some approval?
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veteran
Joined: Dec 2020
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At the start of act 2, it is still early enough to get her approval. If it is not enough, there is a persuasion check, you have to suceed, to stop her from killing Aylin. Maybe put in teh Enhance ability check for that. If you can pull it off with your character, she approves, if you can dispatch of the three Thorms in the abandoned village without a fight, relying on conversation skills. I think helping Arabella gives approval, freeing the tieflings and gnomes, convincing Yugir to kill himself.
"We are all stories in the end. Just make it a good one."
Doctor Who
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old hand
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old hand
Joined: Jul 2023
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Not sure what you mean here. If you mean save the inn by winning the Marcus fight then it is Isobel not Nightsong who has to be safe. Most people do this fight before getting to the Mausoleum so don't know who or what Nightsong is.
The approval rating with Shadowheart is only relevant if she is the one doing the dialogue with Nightsong. If she is not there the decision of what to do with Nightsong is yours (and it can be even if Shadowheart is present).
I'm not aware of any threat to the inn after Nightsong's release.
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Joined: Aug 2023
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I'm specifically talking about the Nightsong... I've read (and I dont know if it's true or not) that even after saving Isobel, if you kill the Nightsong (or allow Shadowheart to do it) then that still dooms the Last Light Inn Alternatively, you can let Shadowheart kill the Nightsong. This has some gnarly consequences for the people back at the Last Light Inn, however. After driving her weapon home, Shadowheart will become the leader of the Sharran church and a Dark Justiciar, with a killer set of armour to match. However, slaying the daughter of Selune causes her magic to falter, dooming everyone at the Last Light Inn. something I'm keen to avoid in this run through. Additionally if you don't take Shadowheart with you then you lose her from your party - also something I want to avoid, so I can experience one of her non-romantic endings. Which means I've got to a. Take Shadowheart to the Nightsong and b. Not let her kill the Nightsong. Last run through I was romancing Shadowheart so had plenty of approval, this run through I've dumped her at camp and pretty much ignored her for all of Act I. But (again) as I understand it, if you've high approval and let her make her own choice when it comes to the Nightsong she'll spare her - which is what happened in my first run (obviously). So my question is can I still get her to spare the Nightsong if I dont have high approval? (and also only 10 charisma)
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old hand
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Joined: Jul 2023
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A box of flowers and a bunch of chocolates - works every time.  From the wiki. https://bg3.wiki/wiki/Find_the_NightsongIf Balthazar was not killed, he arrives in the Shadowfell immediately after the player, thanking them for their service in completing the trials. He floats ahead and tells the party to come with him to witness greatness. Once the party leaps to the heart of the Shadowfell, they learn the Nightsong is not an object, but an aasimar woman named Dame Aylin. She has been held captive by Thorm using the power of Balthazar to share her immortal life with him. After this, several events can play out: If Balzathar is alive, the party can let him take her to Moonrise Towers If Shadowheart is in the party, she can kill the Nightsong and become the Dark Justiciar she always dreamed she'd be. Dame Aylin can be set free, resulting in a battle with Balthazar and requiring Shadowheart to be convinced to spare her. If Shadowheart is not brought along, then she immediately confronts the party for denying her the destiny she'd always dreamed of. She leaves the party. Additionally, the Nightsong can only be killed by Shadowheart - otherwise, attempting to do so does nothing but annoy Dame Aylin.If the party lets Balthazar take the Nightsong to Moonrise Towers, then he tells them to meet them there to receive Ketheric Thorm's favour. Once the party arrives and speaks to Disciple Z'rell, she only lets them proceed if Resolve the Abduction is completed. The party must kidnap Isobel from the Last Light Inn to be allowed to see Thorm. If Isobel is already dead, then Z'rell lets that party up to face judgement. If the Nightsong is freed, she thanks the party. If Shadowheart spared her, then she throws the Spear of Night into the abyss of the Shadowfell. However, Dame Aylin grants her a new weapon as thanks - the Moonlight Glaive. Then, Aylin flies off to face Thorm, starting Defeat Ketheric Thorm. After leaving the Shadowfell, Lady Shar subjects Shadowheart to unimaginable torment before sending her back to the mortal realm, and Shadowheart loses her favor. Once the battle with Thorm is over, Aylin and Isobel, if she is alive, stay at camp. If Shadowheart kills the Nightsong, she becomes the Dark Justiciar and gains the Shar's Spear of Evening. However, the party loses a valuable ally in the Nightsong. Where is your quote from? I don't understand where the threat to the inn is coming from unless they assume that if you kill Nightsong you are siding with Thorm. ('Gnarly' is the wrong word there). I've seen a couple of YTers take out Nightsong by mistake with an AoE during the fight with Balthazar but she is back up before the fight ends.
Last edited by Beechams; 24/09/23 12:32 PM.
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old hand
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old hand
Joined: Jul 2023
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Thanks but . . . The PCGamer article, 8th August, states: "However, slaying the daughter of Selune causes her magic to falter, dooming everyone at the Last Light Inn." The shield at the inn is down to Isobel, surely. Where do they get Nightsong being the source? The GameRant article, 19th August, states: "Choosing whether to press Shadowheart to kill the Nightsong will make a huge difference in how the story progresses. If Shadowheart embraces Shar completely, she will become almost evil. To fully embrace Shar is to embrace the darkness; it will now become harder to lift the curse on the shadow-cursed lands." Why will it make it harder to lift the Shadow-Curse? The first part of that quest doesn't involve Isobel, Nightsong or Thorm directly and the final part involves killing Thorm. Killing Thorm requires either the killing or releasing of Nightsong. I might do a bit more digging on this.
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Joined: Aug 2023
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The shield at the inn is down to Isobel, surely. Where do they get Nightsong being the source? "However, slaying the daughter of Selune causes her magic to falter, dooming everyone at the Last Light Inn." Isobel's magic is powered by Selune, Nightsong is Selune's daughter - so killing her affects Selune and weakens her, which means her magic looses it's strength causing the shield around in the Inn to become weak enough not to keep the shadow curse out - I guess is the logic.
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old hand
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Joined: Jul 2023
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The shield at the inn is down to Isobel, surely. Where do they get Nightsong being the source? "However, slaying the daughter of Selune causes her magic to falter, dooming everyone at the Last Light Inn." Isobel's magic is powered by Selune, Nightsong is Selune's daughter - so killing her affects Selune and weakens her, which means her magic looses it's strength causing the shield around in the Inn to become weak enough not to keep the shadow curse out - I guess is the logic. That is a non sequitur. Nightsong is irrelevant to the Selune/Isobel relationship. You kill three Thorms in Reithwin but is doesn't do anything to Ketheric. Nightsong has been captive for a century. Has Isobel been protecting the inn for over a century?
Last edited by Beechams; 27/09/23 10:27 AM.
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Joined: Jul 2023
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The plot thickens. https://www.gamespot.com/articles/baldurs-gate-3-nightsong-kill-or-save-guide/1100-6516519/Consequences of killing Nightsong: Deaths Isobel - Her powers as a Selunite Cleric will not be enough, and Last Light will get ransacked by cursed forces. Jaheira - This returning character from previous games and potential companion will die offscreen. Dammon - The blacksmith will also end up dead, preventing you from giving more Infernal Iron for Karlach's romance and quest. Art Cullagh - The sleeping man will also get killed, potentially locking you out of Halsin's recruitment and Bear Form romance. https://www.gamerguides.com/baldurs...in-bg3-location--puzzles-choices-rewardsConsequences of killing Nightsong: If you kill the Nightsong, then you complete the tasks that Shar was whispering to Shadowheart the entire time you were in the Gauntlet of Shar. Doing so, you will be awarded by Shar as she lifts the curse, allowing you to kill Kesaric Thorm, as he has now become mortal. In turn, Shar will make Shadowheart a Dark Justiciar. On the next long rest, Shadowheart will even change her hairstyle to match those depicted on Shar statues (bless her).
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Joined: Oct 2020
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Hair change? I only know of the one that changes color.
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