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How many people played Tomb Raider (with or without the nude patch)... the playability of the game was not the best by any standard, yet its sales rocketed.


Hey, in it's days Tomb Raider 1 had a remarkably fresh and new style of gameplay, combining several aspects -- besides two triangle-formed breasts -- such as action, puzzles and even a bit of a nice storyline! What really made Tomb Raider stand out for me was the clever level design - rarely seen anything like it before or after Tomb Raider.

Not saying though you're wrong in your statements about how easy most of the target audience can be seduced, but although Lara Croft has become the cliché example, I do feel the need to say I disagree that the game(s) had little more to offer than Lara's pretty (?) [nocando] to stare at! <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/winkwink.gif" alt="" />


Tombraider the game was Indiana Jones with tits. That, in my opinion is what sold the game; the indy theme. If Indy had starred in it, it would have done just as well <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/think.gif" alt="" />

The films were crap! They turned "Miss Indiana Jones" into "Miss James Bond" for the big screen, which I thought was ironic. <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/suspicion.gif" alt="" />



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Despite the fact that Angelina Jolie is insanely hot I never went to watch either movie of Tomb Raider. Seriously, I don't care if an NPC in a game is a good looking female and I don't think that many people consider that a reason to
actually buy the game.

Also someone noted that most females in RPG's are always "Helpless, witches, prostitutes etc...", this is quite logical considering the , ususally, medieval setting (although I've seen many 'strong' women in RPG's). And those streets in Planescape Torment filled with Harlot's serve a purpose as they define the atmosphere in Sigil, this has nothing to do with that the male players are "adolecent sex crazed kids". The streets of Sigil could have been empty for all I care, but this isn't as gritty as the opposite.

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Also someone noted that most females in RPG's are always "Helpless, witches, prostitutes etc...", this is quite logical considering the , ususally, medieval setting (although I've seen many 'strong' women in RPG's).


They're actually in vaguely quasi-medeival fantasy universes that don't much resemble any actual period of history I've ever studied. And I've studied a whole lot of history.

Maybe someone should make a game featuring the early matriarchal Celtic tribes. <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/winkwink.gif" alt="" />

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@Yannos

You're probably right. They have a theme to follow with medieval style games. Like a "serving wench" which always appear in bars (in all fiction).

Women don't like to be seen as helpless (even if they are), and tend to rant about anything that portrays them as such. You can't have these types of games without "Serving Wenches", "prostitutes", and the odd helpless girl, as they add to the games atmosphere and surroundings. Just like the string instruments (Guitar, folk music or whatever) that play when you walk into the inns.


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I loved in BG2 the women thief! It was such a novel idea compared to most things. . . Even in the novella Child of the Chaos, written by a women, the main characters except the raanar at the end, are all guys!



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Women don't like to be seen as helpless (even if they are),... <snip> <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/badsmile2.gif" alt="" />


Josie Dear, there's someone calling for you - and Penumbra, someone's wanting your special treatment.

Now, where do I get a female caretaker? <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/think.gif" alt="" />
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Josie? <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/eek.gif" alt="" /> *Lews runs away quickly, carrying the spell of hellspikes level 5*



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The main idea hidden behind the whole female features used in the whole Fantastic Role Playing world points actually the same direction you all mentioned...

1-Most of the PC Game players are Guys? true or not? (this doesnt mean there are no females!!!) but lets say %15 is a very optimistic guess..

2-Medieval or Fantastic terms doesnt matter...femals are the representers of beauty everywhere and beauty is the delight of eyes! the design of the men human body is mostly a piece of wood in compare of a women! Any Game deserves Beauty! And if you mix the sexual instinct of men and the beauty of a women you find yourself in a very exciting environment..so if %85 gamers are Guys...at least %40 of them will find the game very attractive in terms of what i said abowe.

3-The whole Whore things, the brothels, the streets with beautiful girls, the points where you sense other emotions then normal gameplay are all meant to set up a nearly exact real life simulation, a virtual mix of emotionsource...
Can i walk the streets any time and talk to a prostitute anytime i want to?? just in my case? im married..my wife would have my head in a basket if i do so!! but in game i may do anything. And the same way works with 14 years old friends..Throwing himself into an Inn, having a beer, let say..talking to some beautys..

4- OF course Womens arnt just meant to be some architectural beauty examples who gives some different emotions through the game. There are many womens NPC s who plays many different plots in many games..but if the talk points to the matural corners of women use in games! then my opinion is, it is a better way to use beautyful womens to attract gameplay then muscular mens <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/ROFL.gif" alt="" />


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Yes, and ugly women are usually weird witches and burned. <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/badsmile2.gif" alt="" />


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Witches are never burned, oh, maybe strange old ladies who say weird things, but not witches.



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*sigh* If you mean the Discworld, yes, you are right, aren't you ? <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/winkwink.gif" alt="" />


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Witches are never burned, oh, maybe strange old ladies who say weird things, but not witches.


I'm pretty sure witches are usually drowned, for lack of a having proper scales and a duck.


-If I were a lemming, I think I would push the lemming in front of me off a cliff, because hey, what's funnier than a falling lemming?
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