Larian Studios Forums Baldur's Gate III Baldur's Gate III - Story & Character Discussion Do not buy BG3 on Full Price (the Act 2 story)

She very clearly says that she needs the spear before entering the Shadowfell. Therefore, you can't get it later, because she needs it NOW. She will threaten you if you try to go in without it and you have to actively choose the "I'll fight you if you complain" dialogue, if I recall correctly. You could've just gone back and.. gotten her the spear. Or don't, and face the consequences.

It would be bad writing if she stayed with you after. Sure, she likes you at that point, but she just got a direct order from her goddess. You know, the one she's been talking about all game. And while she already has her doubts thanks to you, she's not willing to give up on Shar just yet. 10 minutes, one area and a little bit of trust later and you'd have gotten her full devotion.

The Shadowfell progresses the story past act 2. You're basically entering to act 3. So what you did is the equivalent of walking into act 2 before finishing act 1, which won't end well either for some quests. Be my guest, try it out. Lae'zel won't be happy and the tieflings.. well they won't even be able to complain anymore.

+1 agree.

Also, to add to companions driving game's narrative in a certain direction: Morrigan in DAO with her Dark Ritual, Anders in DA2 with the 'Big Boom', and cough cough Solas in DAI.

I think OP's problem is that he somehow skipped over options that let Shadowheart make her own decision, or he simply didn't get to the persuasion check, on my 1st run she also ended up attacking me cause I chose the wrong dialogue option (and she had fully shared her memories with me, told me of her crisis of faith, I gave her the noblestalk too and her approval was at exceptional, but 1 wrong dialogue option chosen and boom, she goes full "die heretic"). But bless F8 power reload.

Also I don't quite understand OP's problem with Ketheric though, it is perfectly explained WHY he is one tough SOB to kill.

And I hate puzzles too but you don't see me complaining about that either, at least all the puzzles in BG3 are piss easy. Tiresome, but easy.

As I said - personal experience, nothing more. You don't like something, you can give constructive critisism, like veryone else here too - in case you haven't noticed, there are critical posts, I myself wrote critical posts, but in a polite and constructive manner and with arguments, that go above 'I don't like that'. Opening a thread with 'Don't buy the game full price' is not constructive, saying the storyparts should be changed, because you didn't like them is not constructive.



It's not the understanding, it's the way you make your points. You say here 'I don't like those parts as much' - totally understandable, I can 100 % get behind that, I have parts I don't like , in every game - here it is Grymforge, I do not like the area. But others do - and others like the confrontation with Ketheric, the Gauntlet of Shar and Shadowhearts development (which normally does not end in her getting killed, so ... strange). The problem is not with you having opinions that are different from mine or others, the problem is starting with suchan provokative title and then saying, that the stuff you don't like should be changed. By now, a lot of people have finished the game and judging from threads here and in otehr social media, few have problems with the scenes, you had problems, so it comes back to personal taste - you don't like the Gauntlet, I don't like Grymforge. None of it needs changing.

"then our arguments stand: the game just isn't for you."

Our/we = the people in this thread, who told you, the game might just not be for you - that one can't be so hard to understand, I was referring to the other posts.
And if you had titled your post with 'A critizism and review of act 2' for example and would have been more precise from the beginning, this whole discussion would have been a lot more fruitful. Instead you are condescending 'I'm not taking your game away' or ' those parts of Act 2 that I hope they fix' - that is just toxic 'I know better than you'.
And another insult: you seem to be the angry cat lady of this site - what do you think to achieve here? If you want a normal discussion, don't be that guy. You come in guns blazing and react with insults when people point out, that your behavior is lacking. Toi quote you: You know nothing about me. I could as well say, you are the unlikeable know-it-all, that always has the last word and is always condescending. I don't do that , because you are right, I don't know you.
I was defending the mod, because you were less than friendly in the other post.



I play rpgs for more than 20 years and don't need this condescending tone, ok? We have already established, that you have a subjective problem with those quests. If they were a problem for other people, you would find threads about them here, but neither Ketheric nor the Gauntlet / Shar puzzle has so far earned any kind of critizism.
And everyone and their aunt could see the downfall of Game of Thrones coming, especially if you have read the books. So you are not 'the one' here. There was a lot of critic back in the day.



Well, maybe take the clue and just stop playing, if you don't have fun. That was all I and some others had said. I stopped Mass Efeect because of the boring characters and repetetive gameplay.

And that is all from me - critisize the game all you want, but maybe be a bit more polite about it.

But anyway. Good luck for you, I probably will not response much more in this thred or forum, so you can take last words if you want.

And about Keheric, in simples way to put it.. his boss fights reminded me about bad action hero villian or superhero villian, than never die until the last battle. Maybe a creative decision like, he escapes before you can do battle and then he become Super Sayan 2.0 would be better, like skip 2 fights and then only give player one good, long, intresting epic fight with him would be better.

Example Act 1 Baddies, you do not have kill 13 times them to die, and yes, I get what he is in the story line, like a chosen. Also the logic of "you can not go back from certain magic" would be better, like the demonwoman said to Wyll.

I would design the fight like this; you fight against Keheric one time, after monologue/dialogue and different roads to get there. So the One Fight happens in his Chosen Form/Super Sayan form and after you give him a killing blow, when he is down, in his Chosen, Disgusting Form, you can see how the charismatic man is gone, and he is now only a monster... That would be more dramatic and effective storytelling, than a baddie comes back from the Chosen From kind of death and become a man again just to say couple more words of monologue. You get my point now? Actions should have consequences, that is good story telling.

So. She tried to kill me before meeting Nightsong.

No. I think bad writing/design is not do the conflict in the most dramatic place, in the Nightsong lair. If the spear issue would come there in dialogue and the only way to get past in that point would without Shadowheart attacking would be a) have the spear b) successful persuasive check, (very hard one), that would be ok in my book. How they did in this case, was not good game design or good writing.

True, but do not make my points less valid. They should have designed all companion quest in similiar quality like Lae´zels. (She had her own map/area for it.) I have never been against of idea of plot going foward, but the design decision of important companion quests, making them like they are just small sidequests. Wyll had rough time in his companion quest design also in Act 2.

. BG3 kicks ass.

Such an eloquent and in-depth synopsis of the game. FFS.

Let's not have posts that just take a dig at someone else. Totally unnecessary.

Lol this thread.

Go outside...experience something real.

Gain perspective.

Humble thyself.

* Ahem *

wow, what a character.

no, I will not be reading your scrawl of insane text. nor will I be following your demands as stated in the title.

now run along and go touch grass on your way.

Getting a bit frustrated now! At this rate I’m going to either have to lock this thread or give people posting contrary to my requests a timeout so they can catch up with moderator guidance. Or both.