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Want to try this type of build but i have some doubts.

First one is reactivity, both pal and bard have it a lot and oathbreaker have very good dialogue options that fit my evil Durge walkthrough, will multiclass override bard dialogues over oathbreaker?

Second is the weapon style issue, because sword bard has duel wield and one handed battle style and i don't want waste them, so better option will take defense on paladin lvl and dueling (onehanded) or dual wield (weapon in each hands)? Which one will work the best?

Third is ability points, which one should i maxed and dump due to items that can increase them anyway? For example, dump STR to 8 and give all to DEX and got in 3 act Gloves of Giant Strength or dump dex and just take glove of dextirity and give all to STR?

Fourth i just dont know how to split those multiclassing, most of guides shows that paladin need only 2 levels and rest should be in bard for example 2/10, but does it really worth it? or maybe is better option is just give 3 levels for figthing style to bard and rest should be paladin?

And which type of armor would work in this combination because it provides that character can use any of them, as heavy and medium

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1 - you should be getting both dialogue options;
2 - dual weild is STUPID. Take DEFENCE and DUELING for the classic "sword and board" Paladin feel. You can be AC 18/19 at lvl3 15 minutes into the game, and 21/22 before end of Act1;
3 - dump DEX and INT;
4 - to get Heavy Armour you have to start as Paladin. I am not a fan of taking three levels, as that is too close to a Feat level to break off for my liking. IMO 2 Pal/10 Bard;
5 - HA+Shield+Longsword one-handed - or Defender Flail for max tankiness;

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Err ... dueling does absolutely nothing if you use a shield ?!? Dueling only applies if you have a weapon in the main hand and nothing in the offhand ? It only words with pure onehanded weapons, too. If you equip a versatile weapon, it will use twohanded instead.

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Originally Posted by Halycon Styxland
Err ... dueling does absolutely nothing if you use a shield ?!? Dueling only applies if you have a weapon in the main hand and nothing in the offhand ? It only words with pure onehanded weapons, too. If you equip a versatile weapon, it will use twohanded instead.

I don't think that's true of duelling in BG3 (and for all I know in 5e). I think you get the bonus as long as you don't have a weapon in the off hand, but a shield is okay. At least that's how I seem to recall it working in EA. I've not checked since the full release.


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Hu. Interesting.

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Originally Posted by Buba68
1 - you should be getting both dialogue options;
2 - dual weild is STUPID. Take DEFENCE and DUELING for the classic "sword and board" Paladin feel. You can be AC 18/19 at lvl3 15 minutes into the game, and 21/22 before end of Act1;
3 - dump DEX and INT;
4 - to get Heavy Armour you have to start as Paladin. I am not a fan of taking three levels, as that is too close to a Feat level to break off for my liking. IMO 2 Pal/10 Bard;
5 - HA+Shield+Longsword one-handed - or Defender Flail for max tankiness;
You suggest me take STR-based bardadin with sword and board? But how it will work with low DEX? I know about gloves that up it to 18 but in my imagination character with heavy armor< sword< shield and rogue-ish like gloves looks not very aesthetic. And did bardic spells are better than aura of hate of oathbreaker and improved smites?

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Originally Posted by Halycon Styxland
Err ... dueling does absolutely nothing if you use a shield ?!? Dueling only applies if you have a weapon in the main hand and nothing in the offhand ? It only words with pure onehanded weapons, too. If you equip a versatile weapon, it will use twohanded instead.
Works with Shield, hence one-handed Longsword is legit.
If still worried - use a Rapier, works out the same.

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You suggest me take STR-based bardadin with sword and board? But how it will work with low DEX? I know about gloves that up it to 18 but in my imagination character with heavy armor< sword< shield and rogue-ish like gloves looks not very aesthetic. And did bardic spells are better than aura of hate of oathbreaker and improved smites?
The configuration I suggest does not use DEX for anything (except save throws). Aesthetics? That's purely up to you. Archery or Sleigh of Hand - use somebody else. As you seem to be runnign Team Evul! you should have the bloodsucker around for the latter.
I cannot comment on the Aura or Smiting. Well, besides the Spiteful something being handy in taking out foes difficult to hit otherwise.

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Originally Posted by Buba68
Originally Posted by Halycon Styxland
Err ... dueling does absolutely nothing if you use a shield ?!? Dueling only applies if you have a weapon in the main hand and nothing in the offhand ? It only words with pure onehanded weapons, too. If you equip a versatile weapon, it will use twohanded instead.
Works with Shield, hence one-handed Longsword is legit.
If still worried - use a Rapier, works out the same.

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You suggest me take STR-based bardadin with sword and board? But how it will work with low DEX? I know about gloves that up it to 18 but in my imagination character with heavy armor< sword< shield and rogue-ish like gloves looks not very aesthetic. And did bardic spells are better than aura of hate of oathbreaker and improved smites?
The configuration I suggest does not use DEX for anything (except save throws). Aesthetics? That's purely up to you. Archery or Sleigh of Hand - use somebody else. As you seem to be runnign Team Evul! you should have the bloodsucker around for the latter.
I cannot comment on the Aura or Smiting. Well, besides the Spiteful something being handy in taking out foes difficult to hit otherwise.
Some people adviced me if i'm using oathbreaker that i should use the split like 7/5 firstly to take the Aura of Hate. But if this better than get fighting style first? And which order of multiclass lvl ups is better?

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If you go that far into Paladin, you might as well single-class Paladin. If you're going STR-heavy, your CHA suffers, so I can only guess you don't care about spellcasting. Yes, a Paladin 7/Bard 5 split has two more smites and four blade flourishes per short rest. Paladin 11 gives you Improved Divine Smite, which adds a half-smite's worth (or a blade flourish's worth) of damage to every attack for free. You also get your third feat (which if you try to finagle with a Paladin 8/Bard 4 split, you end up with the same number of smites as a 12th level Paladin).

On the other hand, playing Bard 10 / Paladin 2 is more like playing "a bard that can smite" than "a paladin with more smite slots". Going STR-heavy is almost a crime with all the extra spellcasting. An early game possibility is Magic Initiate: Druid for Shillelagh - you can use a torch for a smidge of added fire damage. Later on, you may be able to get a special rapier that uses spellcasting stat instead of STR/DEX.

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Originally Posted by andriy
And which order of multiclass lvl ups is better?
Use Paladin as starting class as otherwise you won't get Heavy Armour.
And I'd suggest 2 lvls of Paladin and then switch.
Remember that Feats - and 2nd Attacks - come at CLASS levels, NOT Character levels.

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Originally Posted by Buba68
Remember that Feats - and 2nd Attacks - come at CLASS levels, NOT Character levels.
Do they really in BG3?

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Originally Posted by andriy
And which order of multiclass lvl ups is better?
Use Paladin as starting class as otherwise you won't get Heavy Armour.
And I'd suggest 2 lvls of Paladin and then switch.
Remember that Feats - and 2nd Attacks - come at CLASS levels, NOT Character levels.
what about aura of hate that provide oathbreaker paladin subclass?

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Originally Posted by andriy
what about aura of hate that provide oathbreaker paladin subclass?
None of my Oathbreakers never got that far :), so I cannot comment.
But on paper a +3/4 boost to damage caused by Undead and Fiends in 3m radius does not look aweinspiring to me. Especialy as those Fiends and Undead must be produced by somebody else, the Oathbreaker gaining Animate Dead spell at lvl 9 ...


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