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SO ive come here because over at steam there is MASSES of troll and burner accounts ruining the community because they hate the inclusivity of this game. It got so annoying to me because you cant have a single normal conversation anymore without them jumping in and making it political all though sometimes it has nothing to do with the few romance scenes in the game. I was so annoyed i called one a "tool" and immediatly got banned minutes ago. But when i look up the other poster hasnt been banned. I reported them twice for calling me "nihilist". Either the steam mods from larian are actually biased towards right wing trolls and apperantly they are allowed to insult or you say its Valve that is handling these forums.

Either way its bad for the games reputation, these people not only stir up things and try to get arguments going they also spread misinformation left and right how the game follows a greater plot and pepople actually claiming Larian (so you) are trying to brainwash folk. I'll add proof as a link, since steam pages are public i dont censor the name of that account, its a private account anything so there is no harm done. I want to state clearly this is not a call to go and harass that person but a call to larian to stop this madness, it really becomes impossible using the steam page at all. Especcially when you get banned just because a troll felt like reporting you but something way worse they said is fine apperantly.
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I will also report to valve through the function that is listed there. If this gets turned down aswell i know though what i can expect from Larian and i wont support people that have a blind eye on ultra right wing folk and they get to do how they please in their forums. After all, steam forums represent the community too.

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Originally Posted by Liandre
few romance scenes in the game

ROFL. Thanks, I love starting my day out with a good laugh.

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wether or not its few or many, the fact only some people get banned and others dont shows clearly the bias.

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Those links didn't work for me.

Anyway, I think it's fine that people on the right enjoy the game. I think it's fine that people on the right offer feedback about things that bother or concern them in the game.

I also think it's fine that people on the left enjoy the game and offer feedback about what they're looking for.

This whole left/right thing has gone on too long, imo. Folks are holding on too tight. Obviously, insults aren't great for communication, no matter which direction the insults are coming from.

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Originally Posted by JandK
Those links didn't work for me.

Anyway, I think it's fine that people on the right enjoy the game. I think it's fine that people on the right offer feedback about things that bother or concern them in the game.

I also think it's fine that people on the left enjoy the game and offer feedback about what they're looking for.

This whole left/right thing has gone on too long, imo. Folks are holding on too tight. Obviously, insults aren't great for communication, no matter which direction the insults are coming from.
Yet only me get banned and the other poster didnt. Ive edited the links, they should work now.

Nothing wrong with people voicing concernes if it is done in a repsectful manner but the whole "this lgbtq agenda bad" "we want gay content removed" threads are insuffeable.

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Originally Posted by Liandre
Originally Posted by JandK
Those links didn't work for me.

Anyway, I think it's fine that people on the right enjoy the game. I think it's fine that people on the right offer feedback about things that bother or concern them in the game.

I also think it's fine that people on the left enjoy the game and offer feedback about what they're looking for.

This whole left/right thing has gone on too long, imo. Folks are holding on too tight. Obviously, insults aren't great for communication, no matter which direction the insults are coming from.
Yet only me get banned and the other poster didnt. Ive edited the links, they should work now.

Nothing wrong with people voicing concernes if it is done in a repsectful manner but the whole "this lgbtq agenda bad" "we want gay content removed" threads are insuffeable.

In a single player game more options is always better. Example, a toggle to remove romance = Good. Just mho.

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Originally Posted by Thrandarian
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Originally Posted by JandK
Those links didn't work for me.

Anyway, I think it's fine that people on the right enjoy the game. I think it's fine that people on the right offer feedback about things that bother or concern them in the game.

I also think it's fine that people on the left enjoy the game and offer feedback about what they're looking for.

This whole left/right thing has gone on too long, imo. Folks are holding on too tight. Obviously, insults aren't great for communication, no matter which direction the insults are coming from.
Yet only me get banned and the other poster didnt. Ive edited the links, they should work now.

Nothing wrong with people voicing concernes if it is done in a repsectful manner but the whole "this lgbtq agenda bad" "we want gay content removed" threads are insuffeable.

In a single player game more options is always better. Example, a toggle to remove romance = Good. Just mho.

this is not a post about the toggle argument, i dont care if there is a toggle for romance or not, but my issiue are the way the threads are voiced and how its really annoying your own threads get burried under these just because they arent as controversal. the whole point of this thread is for myself really, to see if larian is actually biased or not.

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OP: you have to take that up with Steam, teh mods here can't do anything about that. You are not the first Steam user coming here to complain. I think by now, it is well known, that the Steam forums are not the best maintained forums around. Teh only thing you can do, is report it to Valve, as you have planned.


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Originally Posted by Liandre
Nothing wrong with people voicing concernes if it is done in a repsectful manner but the whole "this lgbtq agenda bad" "we want gay content removed" threads are insuffeable.

I will check out the links, thank you.

That said, while I get that passions rise and it's annoying to hear the expression of certain opinions, why should a consumer base not be allowed to say certain things bother them? Even if those things are lgbtq?

Again, I completely understand why those opinions are upsetting to you, but the question remains. Why should a consumer not be allowed to 1. have the opinion, and 2. express the opinion?

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Personally, I have over 3000 hours in this game. You won't find a bigger fan of BG3 than me. I had a very bad health concern that nearly caused me to die, and this game was there with me through those dark moments. I can still say that I think the lgbtq stuff is over-represented in the game. In my singular opinion, it hurts the verisimilitude of the setting. It's over-correcting, if you will.

Although, I found the lgbtq stuff with the deep gnomes interesting. To me, I began to wonder if all deep gnomes were involved in same sex relations, culturally speaking. Perhaps, I thought, they had some sort of ceremonial way to procreate at certain times of the year.

My point being, I'm all for things that contribute to and support the story, but I tend to frown at things that feel like they simply showcase the writer's choice of newsfeed.

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Originally Posted by Liandre
It got so annoying to me because you cant have a single normal conversation anymore without them jumping in and making it political

Then I would Strongly advise you to simply come here and post, in a calm and friendly/productive manner and have the conversations you'd like to have, participate in the discussions you'd like to participate in, and NOT bring the politics here with you. Larian do not really dip their fingers in any of their social communities; the mods here are volunteers with no ties to Larian at all, because Larian do not care to support even their own official forums, let alone other platform-centric communities.

Come, post, discuss, converse - but the entire premise of this thread and your OP are an illustration of the exact thing you're seemingly upset about - dragging in the muck of unnecessary real-world politics where it has no place. Leave that at the door, please.

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Update: Valve employee responded and the other poster is banned too now. From valve. Im just a little irritated how i could be the one getting banned but in the very same thread the other person wasnt banned right away, i had to go to valve directly. Even though both posts are following up each other immediatly, so now way the other posters insult was missed but mine got noticed.

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Originally Posted by Niara
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It got so annoying to me because you cant have a single normal conversation anymore without them jumping in and making it political

Then I would Strongly advise you to simply come here and post, in a calm and friendly/productive manner and have the conversations you'd like to have, participate in the discussions you'd like to participate in, and NOT bring the politics here with you. Larian do not really dip their fingers in any of their social communities; the mods here are volunteers with no ties to Larian at all, because Larian do not care to support even their own official forums, let alone other platform-centric communities.

Come, post, discuss, converse - but the entire premise of this thread and your OP are an illustration of the exact thing you're seemingly upset about - dragging in the muck of unnecessary real-world politics where it has no place. Leave that at the door, please.
I mean i hear you but in my defense i only got political because they got. Im not really into politics but when i have threads upon threads of political arguments i personally dislike one time i snap.

I thought moderators are paied, but when they are volunteers well, doenst better the fact i got treated diffrently than the other one who was just as stupid but at least its less worse. Maybe it is better to keep away from the steam page all though its really sad to have to flee just because there is a rampant agenda going on over there.

Anyway as i said, the Valve employee took care of it so i wont rant about it any further.

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I don't interact with Steam forums at all myself, but if you'd like my perspective as a moderator to have a blind guess at what's going on, then I'd like to share something that may be of value to you (maybe?)
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Often when I need to step in with the moderator hat on, it's in a situation where a person has decided to take matters into their own hands. They want to argue with all those they deem 'bad' instead of just quietly informing moderators and resisting the urge to smack back at them. They end up creating more drama, to a point where sometimes they themselves become the problem. Though let me be clear I'm not suggesting that's the case here.

However, there's almost never a reason to argue with someone over a video game online, without it being intrinsically stupid by both parties. It's a video game. Arguing over subjective opinions and differing priorities in what makes a game fun, trying to convince each other that their priority is more important than the other one's, is always a waste of time.

Also, arguing may put you in the crossfires -- and it seems to me that's generally what gets people in trouble on steam at a brief glance just now. This thread for example is at the opposite end of being about wokeism being good, and a commenter is banned for arguing against that. So if there was pro-anything going on, surely this person wouldn't have been banned for leaning more right.

I however, would've locked the thread entirely as soon as I saw it had I had moderator powers there - I don't think politics has any place in video games forums at all. It doesn't matter at all, play games have fun. People who want to talk politics can go find some politics-oriented forums.

Bit of a tangent there, but what I mean is.. Pick your fights. Most strangers online aren't worth it.

Edit: I believe I found the thread and I probably would've given you at least a timeout as well. Suggest not to repeat that same kind of attitude / posting style here. Sass with nothing else to it doesn't make for particularly good dialogue. The thread is a classic example of what I mentioned above; Differing opinions. For example I don't like the playersexual aspect, I'd have preferred if some companions would let me down or be way harder to earn their adoration because they have some preferences, that makes it more realistic. Everyone in real life have preferences to at least some extent. Without that, the romance feels meaningless and shallow. But is it the end of the world to me? No. Should anyone be offended by me having this opinion? Also no.

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Originally Posted by JandK
Originally Posted by Liandre
Nothing wrong with people voicing concernes if it is done in a repsectful manner but the whole "this lgbtq agenda bad" "we want gay content removed" threads are insuffeable.

I will check out the links, thank you.

That said, while I get that passions rise and it's annoying to hear the expression of certain opinions, why should a consumer base not be allowed to say certain things bother them? Even if those things are lgbtq?

Again, I completely understand why those opinions are upsetting to you, but the question remains. Why should a consumer not be allowed to 1. have the opinion, and 2. express the opinion?

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but I tend to frown at things that feel like they simply showcase the writer's choice of newsfeed.
<<< this is my issiue with said posts. "romance toggle" < fine "gay toggle" < bad. Live and let live dont try to dictate what others are allowed to be and what not.

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Originally Posted by The Composer
I don't interact with Steam forums at all myself, but if you'd like my perspective as a moderator to have a blind guess at what's going on, then I'd like to share something that may be of value to you (maybe?)
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Often when I need to step in with the moderator hat on, it's in a situation where a person has decided to take matters into their own hands. They want to argue with all those they deem 'bad' instead of just quietly informing moderators and resisting the urge to smack back at them. They end up creating more drama, to a point where sometimes they themselves become the problem. Though let me be clear I'm not suggesting that's the case here.

However, there's almost never a reason to argue with someone over a video game online, without it being intrinsically stupid by both parties. It's a video game. Arguing over subjective opinions and differing priorities in what makes a game fun, trying to convince each other that their priority is more important than the other one's, is always a waste of time.

Also, arguing may put you in the crossfires -- and it seems to me that's generally what gets people in trouble on steam at a brief glance just now. This thread for example is at the opposite end of being about wokeism being good, and a commenter is banned for arguing against that. So if there was pro-anything going on, surely this person wouldn't have been banned for leaning more right.

I however, would've locked the thread entirely as soon as I saw it had I had moderator powers there - I don't think politics has any place in video games forums at all. It doesn't matter at all, play games have fun. People who want to talk politics can go find some politics-oriented forums.

Bit of a tangent there, but what I mean is.. Pick your fights. Most strangers online aren't worth it.

That actually makes alot of sense, thanks for giving your two cents from a moderators POV. Yes i can imagine its difficult to keep control over who said what, where lies the reason and all that to a point where its just easyer to keep strict to the rules. My blood pressure just boiled for a moment and then even more when i was the only one recieving a ban, not both of us.

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Well this thread has the potential to devolve into something funny...don't mind me...lmao


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(On a serious note, official forum moderators don't have anything to do with Steam. So I doubt they can do anything. As for Larian? I don't think they care about the mess that are Steam discussion boards.)

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Originally Posted by Rotsen
Well this thread has the potential to devolve into something funny...don't mind me...lmao


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(On a serious note, official forum moderators don't have anything to do with Steam. So I doubt they can do anything. As for Larian? I don't think they care about the mess that are Steam discussion boards.)
Lol, dont waste your popcorn now. There has been alredy answer from valve and at least both of us are banned now, i have nothing to be upset about

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Plus, the Steam forums are big and confusing, I wouldn't want to be a moderator there tbh. The few times, I was active there, I just got confused so fast.

Niara is right: you made an account here, so maybe see, if this forum is more to your liking.


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Sorry to hear you were banned then. Welcome to the forums! People are more chill here either way, just don't mention gnomes or halflings near Fylimar and you'll be fine. shadowheartgiggle

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Originally Posted by Rotsen
Sorry to hear you were banned then. Welcome to the forums! People are more chill here either way, just don't mention gnomes or halflings near Fylimar and you'll be fine. shadowheartgiggle


Oh, goodness, here we go, twelve more months of Helia posts.

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