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In Act 3, I made it my mission to destroy Mizora, without actually destroying Mizora.
In Act 2, I know I can flush Mizora down the mind flayer toilet by pushing the "Annihilate" button, but to break Wyll's pact and make him Blade of Avernus to save Karlach, Mizora must live (for now).

Why I dislike Mizora:
1. After having Wyll break his pact with Mizora, she immediately runs to Counsellor Florrick and snitches on you
2. When you're rescuing Duke Ravengard in the Iron Throne, Mizora appears, makes him kneel, then makes exploding spiders chase after him. This is a timed event, and she is actively costing you time and actions.
3. When you ask her to leave, she refuses. She blatantly tells you: "Why don't you take a few hits?" She knows she won't actually take ANY damage.. She just poofs out of existence in a cloud of glittery confetti...

When you examine Mizora's stats in Act 3, she has Zariel's Protection. If attacked, Mizora gets sent back to Avernus and comes back after a minute. That is oddly specific... With a time frame and everything. For anyone who has attempted to attack her, you'll know she takes 0 damage of any type. But if the devs actually wanted Mizora to be invincible, they could have tossed an "INVULNERABLE" on her and called it a day... Why give her voice lines to tempt us into attacking her? Why force her to stay in our camp? In a game where we can kill literal GODS, a game about choices mattering, are they really saying they've created a character that no one can harm?

This essentially made me dig through every unique scroll in Gale's possession (All 85+ of them :x), in a means to find SOMETHING that will make Mizora go away... Or at the very least, make her stay VERY uncomfortable The following all worked: Otto's Dance, Throwing, Telekenesis, Polymorph, Flesh-to-Stone, I even tried killing Wyll (aggroed Scratch AND the owlbear cub and those were dark times) and she STILL STAYED?! I got to the point where I turned my redemption Dark Urge character Evil, JUST so I would have access to "Power Word Kill" 100 damage insta-kill. I made Gale use "Hold Monster " which forced her to stay on the plane for 3 turns, activated Bhall's level 9 "POWER WORD KILL," spell on her and... absolutely nothing...

At this point, I was like, there's no way. There's no way they would make Mizora the equivalent of an immortal punching bag, without giving players a way to mess with her. Until FINALLY, I swapped to dark urge, right after the Orin dual and noticed my character hunched over, bleeding and repeatedly failing saving throws against FLESH ROT. Swapped back to the save file
with Mizora, grabbed Shadowheart, swapped in Contagion. Check Mizora's stats and her strongest is "Charisma." PERFECT. Had Shadowheart select "Contagion, Disease - Flesh Rot, Disadvantage to Charisma saving throw; makes target vulnerable to all damage"

Mizora failed 3 consecutive saving throws in a row, and now has Stage 3 Flesh Rot.

Twas like the Dice Gods smiled upon me and said, you deserve this, NAT 20.

FINALLY. FINALLY. Bested Mizora by playing by the rules. Did I aggro the camp, or make her lose a single drop of HP? Nope. Does it appear as if I've completely decimated her resistances and essentially made her mortal? A-Yup. Every time I load into this save file, there she is, bleeding all over the place. I must admit devs, you're right. Sending her smiling back to Avernus doesn't really give Wyll or Karlach the justice they deserve. This is 1000% more satisfying.

Bowing, battered, broken and bleeding like the rest of us mere mortals. Why Mizora, this is the most humble I have seen you.

XOXO Love,
Me

Shadowheart: Astarion, when we started this journey, did you expect our companion to be like this?
Astarion: Well... I had my hopes

The collars, the strange elf necks, Elves eating corpses and the part where everything was on holy fire and you had to save an idiot from running through it. I'm sure there's a gif around if I look hard enough

She arrives at your camp one night, with her to sisters of Judgement, and offers you two choices: 1. Dissolve the devil's contract, save Wyll's soul and make him a free man OR 2. She'll tell you where Duke Ravengard is.

The reason she attacked me in my playthrough, is because I freed Wyll and took him from her AND I still found a way to save Duke Ravengard WITHOUT her help. There's a quest with the Water Queen, where she sends you to the docks to find and kill the submarine master. The submarine master is also the guy who takes you to the Iron Throne.

For me, when I freed Duke Ravengard, she made him kneel on the ground, sent 6-7 exploding spiders on him and knocked his health down to 19. She almost killed him, and is essentially a toddler, whose favorite toy I took, and she was throwing a tantrum.

The only reason she helped you, is because she has Wyll's soul. She has what she wants xD

In my playthroughs, I save Wyll to make him the Blade of Avernus. This also saves Karlach from dying.

I mean Mizora broke her pact with Wyll in chapter 1. When she sent him to haunt Karlach, she effectively broke the pact because the clause she quotes talking about infernals, devils, and "heartless" doesn't really apply to Karlach. After all, Karlach does have a heart. Sure, it is an Infernal mechanical heart. But at no point in the clause does it mention that your heart must be inside you or that your heart must be biological or the one you were born with. Therefore, SHE broke the pact.

I get that this is the part where Wyll becomes cooler. But there should be an insight or intelligence roll there to notice. And later, in Act 3, when the witness comes, you should be able to bring the breach of the contract by Mizora at that point. Basically turning the devil's law against her. In my opinion, Wyll quest should include using Shovel (another devil) to steal or get information about the contract. You should be able to get more information in the Shar temple invaded by demons/devils in the Underdark and more in Act 2, with Baltazar or the devil in contract with Raphael and if you gather enough evidence of Mizora in breach of contract, trigger a trial where she can end as Wylls pet in virtue of HER contract breach. Sadly, only Shadowheart and Laezel get enough development of their personal quest in the 3 acts. The others only get little bits until Act 3.

Also, when she offers Wyll a "choice" in Act 3, is a false dichotomy, he could simply choose to say, "neither", I don't need to agree to a new contract. But you are not given a choice. For her to look "clever", they need to dumb down Wyll and the player character.

Plus, why after you tell her that you don't want her at your camp, does she decide that you "have been looking at her with desire" and you aren't allowed to insult her by saying her that she is a stupid deluded imbecile to that imagines things and that you find her an undesirable pathetic excuse of a devil. That you won't have sex with losers like her? You can insult everyone else, with Mizora, when you turn her down you are soft. As OP said, she is "protected by the masters/Larian". And just knowing that Wyll pretends to kill her is not enough.

With Karlach, I know other users have found a work-around, by "killing" Karlach. They add karlach to their party, disguise their character, kill Karlach from ranged, then trigger Mizora and tell them Karlach is "Dead." Mizora gives them the infernal Robe, you resurrect Karlach AND Wyll does not have horns. I haven't personally done it, but others have said Wyll acts as if he's killed Karlach, even when she's dancing 2 feet away 8'D

With the destroying of the infernal contract, I absolutely agree.

**Raphael Spoiler** There's a part where Raphael offers you the orphic hammer, and you can take his deal or later break into the House of Hope and steal it. Of course, I don't make deals with the devil, so I break into his place instead (lul). At the Devil's Den, if you choose to kill the lady working there and steal everything in the display cases, then perform the satanic ritual yourself (oi) there's actually 2 infernal diamonds (or something similar) that unlock hidden rooms in Raphael's place. One of them has Mol's Contract (I totally stole it) and presumably yours too, if you made the deal with him. **End Raphael Spoiler**

This to me, means that these contracts COULD exist in the material plane, and technically they should be destroyable.

and Let Emperor snack on Orpheus' brain, even though I had the Orphic Hammer and could have freed the Gith :3

Viconia is Mother Superior and she is located at the House of Grief. She is part of Shadowheart's questline. If you made Shadowheart a Selunite, it's about 20 vs 4 battle. If you're still Sharran, Shadowheart can convince a fraction of them to join your side. Viconia is a boss and she drops some okay loot :p

If you talk to Minsc, he even tells you how he thinks Viconia is evil and how she tried to kill Boo.