Larian Studios Forums Baldur's Gate III Baldur's Gate III - Story & Character Discussion Please Fix Shadowheart's Sharess'_Caress Dialog

Being kinky is 1 thing, I don't mind her being kinky at all. I have no problem with Sharess caress encounter at all, because she is down for it if you are only and she is fine with that. Things get weird only when Halsin around and specifically this disapproval message.

As for shar brainwashing/selune thing. It is established that Shar forbids any romantical relationship and any of those connections are bound to be terminated on Shar's demand(She straight up says you that and breaks up with you in the end if she is dark justiciar). It's not about her being kinky or w/e, it's about how things are when you are sharran, reffering to her "short amusments" banter thing early in act 1. You just can't say she prefers "short amusments" after you get her epilogue selune ending(she calls you "true love" in the game too, but only on her selune path).

Selune has nothing to do with a conservative relationship, SH can distinguish between love and sexual intercourse, that doesn't change with Selune.

I am not reffering to that. Selune gives freedom and you can be whatever you want. Shar forbids love(love is a lie, only hate persists. Something like this is a literal teaching of Shar) and forbids any sexual intercourse, unless it somehow implies to serve Shar's purpose(seduction or w/e). It is literally explained in the game. That is exactly why you have "short amusment" banter with Astarion early.

Are you trying to imply that relationship Selune Shadowheart has with MC is "short amusment" after all dialogue that she has in the game and new epilogue?
Because it is consistent with DJ Shadowheart and she breaks up with you on Shar's demand(even if she loves you deep down, so here you have your short amusment).

It doesn't matter if she says she's into "short term amusements" because monogamous ppl can also be into this until they find someone they want a committed relationship with. There's also a difference between being into bdsm and wanting an open relationship. Polyamory and open relationships aren't kinky, just like monogamy in itself isn't kinky. There's often more to these relationships than just sex, though with the way bg3 displays them I'm not surprised ppl are getting confused.

There is enough established in act 1 with SH's bdsm comments/reactions to make a case for her being into it. Though when you're leaving the loviatar priest she does say "Whatever YOU'RE into" leaving room for some interpretation. If SH had a bdsm scene with tav in act 3 this wouldn't feel out of the blue though.

However, there isn't anything established with SH being into an open relationship prior to act 3. This sort of thing needs to be made clear in act 1, so it doesn't feel so out of left field and waste anyone's time. Some people can spend over a 100 hours in game before even reaching act 3, so if they find out the one they've been romancing all that time is suddenly promiscuous and "incompatible" that's just disrespectful to them and can ruin a whole playthrough. After all, by act 3 you're locked out of romancing someone else, such as Lae'zel or Karlach.

Speaking of Karlach, she's also the only other one besides Tav that SH expresses any attraction to prior to the brothel scene. It's a little odd that SH has all that time to flirt or just generally show any interest in Halsin in acts 1 and 2, yet she doesn't. And if she's so into casual sex, why doesn't she sleep with anyone at the tiefling party, if left unromanced? According to her, "there will be time for penance later" so there's nothing stopping her really.

Of course, as we learn more about SH and Astarion, it becomes very clear that they have the most traumatic situations, full of abuse. SH is literally an amnesiac that is intermittently physically abused by her tormentor(the hand wound). It takes us the whole game to earn her trust before she beds us. But then the next day she's down for an orgy with strangers apparently. Honestly, any consent from either SH or Astarion in that situation is dubious at best. It's no secret that they're both willing to do whatever you want so they don't lose you. It just feels like taking advantage when they're at their most vulnerable.

I'm also confused as to why lesbians and straight men aren't included in this particular content? I paid full price after launch, yet I'm locked out of doing things that other players can? Imagine call of duty only let half their players access to a certain game mode that they all paid for lol There's no option to have a lesbian 3some/orgy yet they added beastiality and twincest instead? Wtf is that bullshit??? And I don't care how many lesbian npcs they have, it's not fair to exclude ppl from this player content. I don't even want to partake in this myself because I find it cringey, but it's the principle of it. Lesbians get excluded so often and I'm tired of it. But yay we get to fuck a bear whooo... I guess

Then of course, Larian also claims an orgy as "polyamory" using the common stereotype of polyamorous promiscuity, which isnt doing our community any favors. The worst part of all is how "inclusive" and "diverse" Larian claims to be but it's all fucking bullshit. This was the first game I bought from Larian and it'll definitely be my last.

Thats a really hard topic to even talk about in my opinion..
i actually dont really liked when i saw this the first time, the stuff with halsin..
in my games i have a different reaction to this drow Twins and i liked a Lot more becouse of it, the Halsin stuff i saw the first time on Youtube that was how i discover about, becouse in my games he only left the Shadowlands with my tean Once and i never take hin out of the Camp.. so i never had the displesure of getting his comments..
The only thing i actually have of Banter with hin and her was in act 2 when i get hin out to roaming around for his quest and bring hin into the gountlet..
But no Joke.. Both Banters i Have with then she clearly mock hin and he actually got pissed of a lot inside the Gountlet when she starts to demostrate adoration for Shar.
So i Felt Realllly weird when i saw the dude she mocked just few days ago having all that Change of a Sudden in their relationshipp just becouse we reach the city..
And btw she is with yu and he is not even a part of the equasion if yu dont want it.
(this stuff should only Happen if yu Really indeed Romance Both in my opinion thats the Corret Way.)
The way it is felt Forced a Lot.. like it shovel that stuff in your Face even if yu dont Want it.haha

But Just give a Try, if yu Reach the Drow Twins and yu did not have the Beach Romance stuff yet she talks something much more in like on what i always felt of her character..
Another stuff even in the beggining yu take a wile for her to start to open her self for real with yu.. yu just got stuff real when she save the nightsong, the talk we have when she get outside. really cool indeed the talk.

But what all this Situation made me actually avoid Halsin for ever dude..
I never Liked hin from the start, i always felt that Hin, Karlach and Wyll never had a Place in my party.
So i never Care or Bother after the first time i tried.
Till this Day i never felt in the mood to Save the Shadowfell in act 2 becouse i cant Refuse hin to come to the City..
I just Wished that man.. Stay Here with the Kid, i did all yu wanted..
Take care of the Kid a dying dude from 100 years ago will not work for the Mental state of the kid.

Just a thinking i always have..
But in this Situation of Sharess Caress i always felt weird too that yu can go in a 4 some with then, 5 some and 3 some with both of then solo..
But. Theres no Option to have a 3 some with your Partner and one of the Two Drow.. Why is that ?! weird..
its really that Hard to gave us full option ?
i Bet a Bunch of People would Not get so Mad with this Halsin Stuff if they had this Option..haha

But like i Said Before.. Try to Get to then Before the Romance Scene with Her..
ITS AMAZING the Reaction yu GET..
And never just Never take halsin out of Camp in act 3 to avoid Creep stuff happening.
(Best Way. Never Save Thaniel or Kill hin after yu Save hin or let hin Die in the Battle.)

There is a simple fix:

Remove the disapproval
Keep her dialogue completely the same for the orgy (with or without Halsin)

That way the people who want the orgy have something, and the mono Shadowheart romancers who have the misfortune of finding out about it don't feel as scammed.

You know what, I haven’t been following this thread, but I’ve been thinking things over. And I’m just gonna kill Halsin once I get to act 3. Durge gonna Durge, am I right? And my Durge doesn’t share. That’s one of the things I like about Lae’zel. She would kill you before she shared you with somebody. It’s pretty funny. And definitely recommend her romance for the folks who are into that.

But yeah, Halsin is living on BORROWED TIME in my current playthrough. Can’t ask for an orgy with him if he’s dead! LOL. And anyway, why HIM? He’s boring, to me. Why no orgy with Karlach? The dynamic between Shadowheart and Karlach is way cuter in my opinion.

He has a purpose in Act 3. Sit in camp and wait for Orin.

Because it's HIM lol. They needed one male and one female character to be fine with Halsin's everything and chose the most popular ones - SH and Astarion. The two who will express dislike for Halsin otherwise. But refuse to allow him to join the orgy and they will both disapprove.

Personally not a fan of the whole orgy/threesome thing at all, but I get your point. For Astarion, I can almost say without a doubt that it's in his character that he only takes part because he's afraid of losing you, therefore making it easier to view his orgy disapproval as a bug. With Shadowheart, it's way different. It's been brought up time and again, but the reason why Shadowheart does a 180 on Halsin in Act 3 is 99.99999% because they have the same writer. It's been brought up that Halsin feels like somebody's self-insert, which isn't difficult to see how people can come to that conclusion.

Well yu should just Kill Hin in the First Time yu Met the Dude..
Yu dont Need Hin to go to act 2 actually. yu can use speak with Dead or Loot his Body for the Book and read it..
Bang.. Halsin creepy Solved. haha

I always Save hin Now and Time Stop and Gank the Dude Asap for the 150xp he gave yu for the Kill. really Nice Xp early Game btw.
Or i let the Goblins Kill Hin in the Battle i just stop the children to go up and call the rest of the Camp.
(And the Party works much better without hin.. btw.)

Yu can even Double the XP by Saving Hin, Make hin tell the Direction to Go, Refuse help hin, time Stop gank the asshole.
But Be Carefull Some companions will disaprove when yu Refuse to Help..
But its really Easy.. yu after doing it.. Kill the entire Camp and go Direct to underdark..
when i go Back to Finish the Grove quest nowadays when i Kill hin early..
i already explored the entire underdark 1,2 then i just go direct to Make the Weapon in the village with the Sussu Three stuff and go to Cresch..
After Beating Cresch i go Back to Iron Forge and go Asap to act 2 using the elevator..
(goin to act 2 using Rosymon Sux.)

and till this Day this is the Best route i ever did in this Game for act 1.. i Get evrything and See Evrything before reaching act 2.

No, that's okay, I'm going to recruit Minthara by making her temporarily hostile, knock her out, and find her again at Moonrise.
Also I don't want to kill Halsin until after It'll be two birds with one stone because I also don't like that he hits on me when I've barely said two words to him.

Yeah since the last Update The Mintara Work around its working ok..
they even Made it Canon for the Game
Yu can let her alive.. and when get to act 2 yu can send Halsin away chosing Her.. yu dont really need to Kill hin anymore..
They Made this for the People that were Bugging the hell out of the Game becouse of Minthara in good Path.
(i even saw some dudes talking about it already.. yu get a Unique Scene when yu do this Now.. and get to Camp with then Two..)

Yu have to actually Chose 1 of then to Leave.

@Ehhhh123: Oh I don't like the orgy thing either, at all, but I may run it once just to see, then save scum and go back. But, Halsin shall die regardless.

Astarion's only up for it

Act 3 is just us living out somebody else's kinks with Halsin, Mizora, some tentacles, Haarlep, and Ascended Astarion (that one makes sense at least).

Be Carefull to Go with Hin in any Romance stuff..
That maybe Bug your Romance or block with shadow.
actually i would say to avoid romance any other character then the one yu Trully want..

This Game dosent Handle that well Multiple relationships..
yu Maybe will be dumped by the one yu Like..
So Be Carefull and Make a LOT OF SAVES.

Shadowheart Orgy Dialogue W/O Halsin
"You want to try this? Sure, why not."



Shadowheart Orgy Dialogue With Halsin
"You want to try this? Sure, why not."


Could've just done her dialogue like this and remove the disapproval, then I legit wouldn't have an issue at all.

Its like i Told Before in the Other Post..
This Reaction should only Happen if yu Romance Both..
Thats the Correct Way.

If yu dont Romance hin dude its offencive in my opinion just to Propose..
Thats How a Normal Person React..
Yu dont Have Nothing with the couple so yu shut your Mouth and say Nothing.. Get it ?! haha
This is Not Something he should even talk about if he is not in the Relationship.

Just for Proposin its offencive enought for Me.
Thats the Real Problem in the Roon..
If yu Like and want that Thing Cool.. But its Only OK if yu Have a relationship with Hin.. If Not. this is disgusting in my opinion..
the Dude its Clearly Forcing his Way into a relationship that he was not even called in.
And BTW he do it more then 1 Time ok..
its not Just at Sharess Caress that he Insist in get into your Stuff..

And Worst of All..
With the New Ending.. he even Send a MSG for yu if yu dont Help hin in Ac 2
And Larian want me to Feel Sorry for not Helping a Asshole like these ?!
yu guys are Joking ?!
(for me he should just Die in the shadow and i really dont Care to what happens to hin.)

The issue doesn't come from the question whether Shadowheart has a kinky side or not, I think its pretty clear that she does have it but the implementation of (or the decision to shove in) Halsin into her story.

If a player does decide to romance her and goes through it you'll know that from the instant she meets the MC she starts developing feelings and is surprised by her attraction for them.

As you progress through her story/romance you'll find out that this is the first real relationship she has had (seeing how they weren't permitted during her training and the only thing she has know up to that point were just fleeting and emotionless 'hook ups') and she becomes rather possessive of the MC, not wanting to share them and not wanting to be shared ('don't want to be your spare lover' line comes to mind.) but for whatever reason the writer decided to change that with Halsin.

From the moment she professes her love to the MC and the player is done with her romance scene she has a party banter with Halsin (if you have them both in the active party) where she flirts with him after he invites himself to hers and the MC alone time.

Despite rejecting opening the relationship with anyone else and making it clear that the MC is the only person she is interested in, her stance is suddenly changed for Halsin.

And the worst part and the part that a lot of people have issue with (thus the whole 'I kill Halsin'/'Halisn is Orin bait' etc. thing) is the whole drow scene. Despite everything that was established throughout her story and romance, despite her clear stance that she only wants the MC, she admits that she's been dreaming and fantasizing about having sex with Halsin during her relationship with the mc and goes as far to disapprove if you reject Halsins attempt to involve himself in that scene. (Of course the player can ignore or miss this by never having both of them in the party but from a writing standpoint it doesn't sit well with many and comes of as character assassination for a cheap thrill that doesn't respect the rest of her writing but hey, there are a lot of those situations within this game.)

As for Halsin himself, he comes of as a true sex pest/creep that cant take NO for an answer.

Even if you ignore him or are rude to him he will tell you how he wants to stay because of you and that he loves you. And if you reject him, that wont stop him from trying to weasel his way into the MCs romantic life by proposing and open relationship with him and the players chosen partner.
And the funniest part is that even if you reject him those two times he'll still recommends joining you during the drow scene.

The character just doesn't respect players choice.

The way I see Halsin is as the writers lack of respect for the players. Especially in a RPG where choices are supposed to matter. Its understandable that the interest and the thirst for Halsin was (for Larian) big enough for him to receive a bigger role but just because a subsect of players wanted him didn't mean that the right choice was to subject everyone to that especially not at the expense of other character. (Shadowheart and Astarion were the ones that were the most affected by this.)

Either way my feelings in regards to this whole 'mess' have changed since my thread and I stopped caring for the most part. (also influenced by other problems this game has ) So I wont interact with this thread outside this post.

Something yu Say in Your Post its what i always Felt about her Character..
She is Extremely possessive person..haha
yu can see it Many times during the game even when yu dont Romance Her..

The only correction I'd want to add is that
She fantasizes about it in the context of having threesome or w/e with MC included.