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Originally Posted by Rubicon
So I'm stuck in this cycle of spending hours trying to get through a single battle and getting party wiped over and over again, only to get frustrated and quit, making no progress at all.

Can you tell about one such "single battle" where your party got wiped out more than once? What did you do to get your whole party wiped out?

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Originally Posted by rodeolifant
What are 'normal' rpg's? If you'd ask me, I'd say that D&D is the standard from which others derived.

Every rpg that doesn't use turn-based combat. When i need to slaughter a tribe of goblins i want to do it in one sweep, without switching turns. I played Grim Dawn, Path of exile, Diablo 3, and so on, that playstyle i liked more.

Don't get me wrong ; i REALLY like BG3, but the tbc turns me of; a bit

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I'd be having the same problem if I didn't find an AI mod to run my companions for me. I just want to play one character, thanks.

In 1998, the original Baldur's Gate released with AI scripts for all your companions to turn on and off as you desired. I guess Larian just isn't up to the task.

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Those AI scripts were *terrible*, though. I think you're talking about the Advanced AI that Beamdog added for the re-release, becasue the scripts in the original trilogy were hardly usable.

And, they *are* up to the task. The AI is there. Just go and do the Self Same Trial, the mirrored party will be rather effective. Not only that, but if you have gear equipped from mods, they will *that* effectively, too.


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Originally Posted by rodeolifant
Those AI scripts were *terrible*, though. I think you're talking about the Advanced AI that Beamdog added for the re-release, becasue the scripts in the original trilogy were hardly usable.

And, they *are* up to the task. The AI is there. Just go and do the Self Same Trial, the mirrored party will be rather effective. Not only that, but if you have gear equipped from mods, they will *that* effectively, too.

I have only played through the original BG once, and that was when it released. I was so excited because I had been waiting for it for months. The AI was certainly not as terrible as everyone says, because I chose to play a Cleric and I had no clue how to play it. The AI kept my party alive and buffed well enough to finish the game. (I was 35 years old at the time.)

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It might not be as terrible as everyone says it is, but it certainly is as terrible as I say it is.
And that's not a joke, either, I know the scripts by heart; I've been playing that saga religiously for 25 years. I can go in depth on how and why the scripts are terrible.. But I won't. And yeah, I suppose it can be done.

But frankly, I don't see the correlation here.

'I looked forward to it'
'Had no idea how to play'
'Let the computer handle that part'

Was it everything you hoped for?


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Originally Posted by rodeolifant
It might not be as terrible as everyone says it is, but it certainly is as terrible as I say it is.
And that's not a joke, either, I know the scripts by heart; I've been playing that saga religiously for 25 years. I can go in depth on how and why the scripts are terrible.. But I won't. And yeah, I suppose it can be done.

But frankly, I don't see the correlation here.

'I looked forward to it'
'Had no idea how to play'
'Let the computer handle that part'

Was it everything you hoped for?

It was. I don't play RPGs for combat, and if I could totally skip it, I would.

In any case, I just wanted to let the OP know that there are AI mods out there that could help them get past any rough combat spots, or if they are like me and just want to get past all combat as quickly as possible. Assuming they are on PC, of course.

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Originally Posted by rodeolifant
It might not be as terrible as everyone says it is, but it certainly is as terrible as I say it is.
And that's not a joke, either, I know the scripts by heart; I've been playing that saga religiously for 25 years. I can go in depth on how and why the scripts are terrible.. But I won't. And yeah, I suppose it can be done.
For spellcasters these scripts were no good, but for melee & ranged characters those simple scripts worked. That is how I have played these games first, when I had no idea about how D&D worked. And I'd point out, that being able to control the entire party made certain aspects of the game easier, like setting up an ambush before combat. Because while combat ai in BG3 might be up to the task, pathfinding is certainly not; I rarely bother with stealth because that often requires ungrouping the entire party and moving every character individually.

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Originally Posted by saeran
For spellcasters these scripts were no good, but for melee & ranged characters those simple scripts worked.


They worked in the sense that leaving it to 'default' worked. 'The character will engage enemies if attacked, or if he sees enemies"


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Originally Posted by Liarie
I have only played through the original BG once, and that was when it released. I was so excited because I had been waiting for it for months. The AI was certainly not as terrible as everyone says, because I chose to play a Cleric and I had no clue how to play it. The AI kept my party alive and buffed well enough to finish the game. (I was 35 years old at the time.)
It was complete garbage and I don't know a single competent BG1 or. BG2 player that didn't play with the AI turned entirely off and micro-managing the entire party during the challenging fights.


The ones that didn't want to pause constantly and micro-manage at most did some challenge solo runs.

EDIT Anyway, it seems like the last replies are going a bit off-topic, but then againt the OP never came back, so there's that.

@Acemath: the turn-based combat is the highlight of the game and the reason I'm sticking around, on the other hand. If it was for other aspects of the game I would have stopped caring sometime ago.

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Party control in Baldur's Gate 3 is a complete mess that begs to be addressed. SAY NO TO THE TOILET CHAIN
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