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Personally I am a big fan of the three chosen within BG3. Though, I'd love more content surrounding Gortash. Especially between him and the Dark Urge since it is hinted at that there was more than we get to see (there's a note in Moonrise towers from the Durge, confessing their admiration and like of gortash) Personally I'd love an anding where Gortash and the dark urge can rule as he suggested, and not ending in him being killed off within a second. Also, a romance option. No strings attached style maybe? Gortash doesn't strike me as the kind to want a genuine partner, though a dark urge exclusive romance (such as gortash) would be nice and i know that many would agree. Generally i just love him as a character and hope to see more of him in the future!
Last edited by jennaX; 17/01/24 09:03 AM.
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Not another make xyz a romance. I mean Gortash is an absolute asshole - slaver, armsdealer, sells people for infernal iron to hell. Solid guy  When I played Durge, I never got the ' they had something ' feeling. He liked working with you, because you were not a total nutjob that needs babysitting the whole time like Orin. And you were the one coming up with the plan, so he liked your resourcefulness. That's it.
"We are all stories in the end. Just make it a good one."
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I mean Minthara is also an ass, and we can romance her. The alignment of the character is irrelevant (see Minthara, mizora and Raphael's incubus) And sorry I should've clarified. Not romance in a romantic sense. For of a fling sense and adding general content regarding said character. I feel like his death was sudden and uncalled for, and it would be great to see another ending where he doesn't die.
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Why do people romance everything that moves??? First Raphael and now Gortash.
And like with Raphael a romance would devalue him.
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I want the ability to flirt with everything that moves. Not romance though.
Having Gortash survive the brain would be nice for the control ending. Let him see you betray him and then tadpole him, turning him into just another thrall.
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Having Gortash survive the brain would be nice for the control ending. Let him see you betray him and then tadpole him, turning him into just another thrall. I seriously love that idea. That'd be such a gigachad move to enthrall the very person who enthralled countless others. Nothing but a mindless meat-puppet serving our own cause, brilliant! 
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Having Gortash survive the brain would be nice for the control ending. Let him see you betray him and then tadpole him, turning him into just another thrall. I seriously love that idea. That'd be such a gigachad move to enthrall the very person who enthralled countless others. Nothing but a mindless meat-puppet serving our own cause, brilliant!  It's such a perfect asshole move for a Durge because Gortash really wants to share, and you promise, and then in the end you remind him who you are. Maybe he should have stuck with Orin. Bane's crying in a corner.
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Having Gortash survive the brain would be nice for the control ending. Let him see you betray him and then tadpole him, turning him into just another thrall. I seriously love that idea. That'd be such a gigachad move to enthrall the very person who enthralled countless others. Nothing but a mindless meat-puppet serving our own cause, brilliant!  It's such a perfect asshole move for a Durge because Gortash really wants to share, and you promise, and then in the end you remind him who you are. Maybe he should have stuck with Orin. Bane's crying in a corner. That is honestly teh only thing, Gortash deserves. I would play evil to see that. I hate that guy.
"We are all stories in the end. Just make it a good one."
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Have you considered writing fanfiction instead?
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I'll just paste my thoughts I just posted on another thread, minus the specifics of the thread itself: The only changes I hope they make to Gortash in the future are ones that actually do him justice.
There should be a way to keep him alive, even if it requires some changes of plans, or at least an option to resurrect him in some fashion if we allied with him. A Dark Urge (even a Tav, but with a steep persuasion check) could potentially convince Gortash to scrap the original plans while still maintaining his rule. Sword Coast would still be saved, and Baldur's Gate would be ruled by a Banite tyrant, but tyranny isn't the end of the world.
Alternatively, if we have no option of convincing him to scrap the plan earlier, we could instead get some sort of way to resurrect him after he gets lazily killed off by the writers. One way could be to beseech Bane while using Speak with Dead on Gortash, circling around to the idea of continuing to rule BG while scrapping the original plan. Make it a tough persuasion check, since he's a god. Otherwise, we could potentially trouble "Withers" to bring him back, which could result in Gortash defecting from Bane's worship. I imagine he'd still rule with an iron fist, but less so, with no need to dedicate anything to Bane.
Just some ideas some people might be interested in. It'd be nice to receive a lovely letter from him in the epilogue, lol. Other than that, I'd sure love more content between him and Dark Urge. It would add a great deal of depth to the endings, I feel, rather than the black or white "control brain" versus "brain is dead, you are a real hero" endings. "Greater evil is destroyed and Baldur's Gate is under rule of a lawful evil person who otherwise is no longer going to take over the world" is a refreshingly grey ending. He's intelligent enough to know not to rock the boat, plus with the original plan falling apart at the seams, it makes more sense to scrap it and hold onto what you've got than to try to salvage the failing plan.
Last edited by The Fell Omen; 18/01/24 10:21 PM. Reason: Minor phrasing
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I fully support this.
Although I don't care in what shape or form, I just merely want to shag him in all his evil, charming glory lol. The man is a heartthrob.
Only made the acc to support this, so with that shameless addition out of the way, I'm back off into the dark hole where I crawled out from.
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I'd rather, they gave him his business romance with Franc back. ^^ (Poor letter.)
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And like with Raphael a romance would devalue him. If this refers to the existence of Haarlep, then yes, please, no more of that. To establish Raphael with his introductory scene and then destroy any impression he may have left by delving into his bedroom antics was a character assassination on par with Halsin's.
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Gortash and romance?!? You've got to be fucking kidding me ... besides his disgusting (and stupid) 5 o'clock shadow, that is romancing Lenin, Hitler, Kim Il Sung, Fidel Castro territory ...
Last edited by Buba68; 22/01/24 10:27 AM.
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I have zero interest in this suggestion.
Just goes to show that we aren't all playing the same game.
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I don't think the issue is that he's incredibly evil. Plenty of romances with absurdly evil characters exist. It's that it's just not what this character's here for, or even something that seems up his alley. It's OOC/jarring. I feel that, like Raphael, a romance or a fling takes away from their mystique. Not everyone's meant to be romanced, no matter how charming they are.
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Gortash and romance?!? You've got to be fucking kidding me ... besides his disgusting (and stupid) 5 o'clock shadow, that is romancing Lenin, Hitler, Kim Il Sung, Fidel Castro territory ... The newly initiated Larian fans are easily identified by their desire to lay absolutely everything they lay (pun intended) their eyes upon, so... ...so I am not too enthused about their future projects direction- and priorities-wise.
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Personally I'd rather have Durge romance Orin (Yes I know the Spoilers) before ever doing anything like with Gortash of all people.
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Well im actually Surprised that someone Like Gortash..haha Btw i would like a Lot more Romance or anything like that with Orin she is super Crazy like Joker crazy.. love that in her.
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Really hope Larian doesn't get the wrong idea about their fans from threads like this. That is to say; yes, please. I would adore a Gortash romance (or ""romance""). Ideally it would be complicated, fascinating, and above all else fucking tragic. I promise you, most of your fans are mature enough to be able to picture a story line where more Gortash content makes copious sense. Gortash is the ultimate extension of bg3's core theme of the perpetuation of cycles of abuse. The reason the plot happens in the first place is because a kid, sold into slavery and raised by a devil, (shocker!) chose to be the worst possible version of himself. Like ascendant Astarion, he chose to perpetrate exactly the crimes that were inflicted on him on the grandest scale he could manage. That's an extremely compelling villain! Personally, he and the Durge remind me of the Corinthian from Neil Gaiman's Sandman (and the extended content/universe past the original 1989 run) in more ways then one. An individual built by a god to inflict terror struggling with ideas of violence, personhood, autonomy and growth. Specifically, I'd enjoy an exploration of a terrible terrible man having a soft spot for an equally awful scion of Bhaal. Not just "even evil has loved ones" but, "evil had a loved one, and their god/s were so petty about it that they trashed one chosen and picked another, which ultimately lead to said god's downfall". Who's to say how much Bhaal himself wanted the Durge replaced vs Orin and all her complex human motivations being the force behind their being usurped, but we do see a bit of that already via the "prayer for forgiveness" letter. And of course there's space for Bane to be none too happy either; that the chosen of tyranny was willing to share power with the Durge (Or Tav, but imo leaving it at just the Durge would hit harder). There is so SO much more that Gortash content could explore. I'm trying not to be too harsh here, frankly, but of COURSE something compelling could come from digging into the main villain's motivations and story. This isn't a disney film ffs. Fan's (for the most part) can handle that complexity without devolving into "hur hur they did it because dumb fangirls and boys want to fuck everything that moves." Fucking yikes. I'd rather, they gave him his business romance with Franc back. ^^ (Poor letter.) BIG MOOD. I mean I get why they changed the letters. Personally I think they did need a bit of cleaning up or tightening, but I haaaaaaaaate, just actively despise that they stripped it of personality entirely. Surely they could have at least kept the seductive implications and the phrase "slithering wet malice" in there.  It was a fantastic sentence.
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