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*If you noticed any more inconsistencies from Early Access, feel free to point them out for documentation*- The battleaxe outside of playable area during the now cut Prologue.
This battleaxe used to belong to the enthralled man saying " I'm a bit peaked mum, think I'll go to bed early". Although this entire area got cut off from the game (terrible mistake as it was far more epic), the axe remains there still. ![[Linked Image from i.imgur.com]](https://i.imgur.com/fTz7StO.jpg)
- The Goblin Warlock referring to the Absolute as "Him".
During Early Access because of the whole concept with the Dreamer being unique to each person, this concept was also subtly hinted for the Absolute as well which is why some NPCs referred to the Absolute as "HIM". Eventually the Absolute became canonically female, but this Goblin Warlock at Minthara's camp party is still using its outdated Early Access voicelines where it keeps referring to the Absolute as "HIM". ![[Linked Image from i.imgur.com]](https://i.imgur.com/VvE5bbj.jpg)
- Grymforge kitchen area still has comments about Philomeen's escape route through the hole in the wall which no longer exists.
During Early Access this wall did not exist at all, instead there was a massive hole with some rope and tools scattered around implicating that Philomeen climbed up this wall to escape the Duergar and by doing so avoided the gooey-ceiling enemies that the party instead fights on their way to her. Even though a new wall was added (evidently by the misaligned bricks), the party still comments as if someone climbed through that hole which no longer exists. ![[Linked Image from i.imgur.com]](https://i.imgur.com/AZ407Up.jpg)
- Dark Urge having generic tadpole eye insertion dialogue choices.
Although Dark Urge became introduced with full release, the character keeps using the generic dialogue choices for the tadpole insertion through the eye (which all characters are using since Early Access). HOWEVER this is impossible and contradictory to the lore because Dark Urge was not tadpoled through the eye nor even tadpoled on the Nautiloid itself, therefore they should not be recalling the eye insertion which never happened to begin with. This inconsistency begins very early with Us and keeps going on throughout the game with Gale, Nettie, the corpse of the tadpoled merchant at the Nautiloid crash site, etc... ![[Linked Image from i.imgur.com]](https://i.imgur.com/luzh2Jf.jpg)
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Rolan will tell you that Lorroakan's tower is in the Upper City, despite it being in the Lower City now.
Astarion's Origin mentions Cazador's coven - it's not a coven any longer. I think the palace is also at least once mentioned to be in the Upper City as well.
Auntie Ethel's Staff of Crones is still marked as a quest item, despite no longer being one. She also has major complaints about the magic surrounding the tadpole, but if you approach her with Gale, she fails to notice that the whole wizard is full of the stuff.
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Act three spoilers: Was Durge tadpoled by Orin when she was slicing around in Durge’s brain?
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Rolan will tell you that Lorroakan's tower is in the Upper City, despite it being in the Lower City now. Lorroakan's tower is in theory in the upper city, that is why you have to access it through a portal. If you go out on the balcony, you will see the (fake) upper city and further in the distance the lower city. I haven't checked the recent patch, but in Auntie's house you could find the letters to her sister in Baldur's Gate, even though there is no hag coven in the city anymore.
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The companions will still talk about the dream visitor giving them powers.
Omeluum will still say his ring blocks the tadpole, but now it's just a ring that gives advantage against charms.
If we're including the dark urge, then it's weird when generic dialogue options allow the dark urge to share memories. An example of this is when the dark urge is drinking wine with Shadowheart and sharing memories of Baldur's Gate, which ironically leads her into talking about how she doesn't have memories.
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Lorroakan's tower is in theory in the upper city, that is why you have to access it through a portal. If you go out on the balcony, you will see the (fake) upper city and further in the distance the lower city. Thank you, that makes so much more sense.
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Was Durge tadpoled by Orin when she was slicing around in Durge’s brain?
Yes, that was Orin's true intention behind the attack.
Without going into too much detail here; she saw killing as an unholy artform where the more meaningful, graceful and beautiful the murder, the more Father would love her.
Durge however was the complete opposite. Brutishly ungraceful and mindlessly murdering, quantity over quality because corpses were its plaything. She saw this as an insult to Father due to mindlessly offered pathetical offerings without any meaning, so she intentionally brutalized Dark Urge with the intention of tadpoling it to make it as mindless as its offerings.
Crippled Durge eventually stumbled upon Kressa Bonedaughter underneath Moonrise while its brain was leaking from the attack, but to her surprise Durge was resisting the illithid influence. So she took it in, became obsessed with studying it... which is why Durge has recollections of all the horrific experimentations done upon it which can be experienced as early as the Nautiloid (talk to the two enthralled people in the center chamber).
Her experimentations are medically documented in notes underneath Moonrise, but it was Baltazar who eventually forced her to get rid of Durge because she became too obsessed with it. Baltazar's book in his room mentions more about her overwhelming obsessions with Durge.
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Dark Urge spoilers Yes, this sounds right to me, thanks! I didn’t realize that part of Orin’s problem with Durge was her and Durge’s different approaches to killing. One other thing, it looked like Orin stuck Durge in one of the pods in the mindflayer colony, and Durge busted their way out, breaking their fingers. They must’ve collapsed, which is where Kressa found them. But yeah, point taken for sure, the opening scene where a tadpole is inserted into your eye doesn’t make sense for Durge. And all of the following comments about being tadpoled through the eye at the same time as the other companions don’t make sense. I guess the devs probably felt like they couldn’t change the opening scene without spoiling some of the Durge storyline? Or, maybe it’s just an oversight. And I guess you could say that perhaps Durge was so mentally addled that they just assumed that what the companions were telling them, that they’d been tadpoled through the eye just recently, was true, and kind of ran with that. But I do agree, I find it weird that Durge talks about the tadpole in the exact same way as Tav, when Durge received the tadpole in a totally different way.
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In Auntie Ethels lair there is still mention of her coven and the halfling survivor says as much too. But in the city, we are just dealing with good old Auntie again.
"We are all stories in the end. Just make it a good one."
Doctor Who
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At the camp party with the tieflings...
Zevlor mentions that the party could do with less singing. Volo says "that ballad was but a crude preview..."
Those lines seem to be referring to the way the camp party used to open with Volo doing a performance. In early access, we never got to hear if, of course, and it fully disappeared after full release.
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