Larian Studios Forums Baldur's Gate III Baldur's Gate III - General I am disappointed in Larian

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Swen's recent comments that they're going to release gimped mod tools has made me completely lose faith in Larian as a developer. I didn't care at all about dlc or sequel plans, all I wanted was the ability to make custom environments in BG3's engine. The fact that we're not even getting that and all they're going to let us make is superficial mods because they can't be bothered to bugfix their tools is endlessly disappointing. Disappointment has been a trend with Larian's post launch support for a few years now and I'm tired of dealing with their failed promises. I hope Larian's next game is good because I won't ever be buying it.

Without knowing more about Larian's engine, I have no idea if it's easily repurposed as a toolset. The first Neverwinter Nights had a toolset that resulted in a lot of wonderful, free player-made campaigns . . . however, since the toolset was where the focus of the game's development was, the main "game" was mediocre.

So, I guess I'm not sure how feasible a NWN type toolset with this engine would be. Larian also might not want to give so much of their engine away for "free;" it's obviously a valuable commodity these days.

You seriously were spoiled by Bethesda games modding tools. There are very few games, that have modding capability you expect from Larian. I don't think it was reasonable expecting such a comprehensive tool from Larian to begin with.

Pretty excited to see console players will be able to use Mods, that’s absolutely fantastic.

Larian never promised you’d be able to make your own campaigns or environments or anything like that. In fact, way before launch Swen specifically said that would not be happening.

You can’t blame Larian for failing to live up to promises they only made in your imagination.

I have a few friends who seemed (and still are, they don't follow news) to be 100% sure that a campaign editor was coming. after our Coop endet it was "goodbye, we're starting a new one as soon as the editor is out". They apparently expect one since DOS2 came with one and it was sort of a "given" BG3 would be the same, being so close to DOS engine-wise (at least to the layman's view).
I personally had no money in it, I used to loooove doing my campaigns and multiplayer areas in NWN(2) and miss those times badly, but didn't know DoS had the same capabilities and was just excited on being told that BG3 would "absolutely get that Editor too", so I'm a bit disappointed but I know quite a few people who will be absolutey dumbfunded on learning this, they probably already planned their custom campaigns from start to finish.

for real
people are complaining about modding and demand larian to support every existing mod and modding tools for whatever idea somebody might have. this is not dev's responsibility whatsoever

Larian can't even make a functional game themselves with their own tools, no matter how much their fandom of tools insists it's a good game because they love their fantasy racism.

Which Bethesda modding tools would these be? The Skyrim Creation Kit is a clunky, buggy mess (2011-2024) which requires two hacks just to get it to work. Skyrim remains, probably the most modded game ever because of third-party tools - SKSE, XEdit, Nifskope, various Papyrus tools, FNIS (and latterly Pandora), memory managers, unofficial bug fixes and on and on.

Where are these people who are "complaining about modding and demand larian to support every existing mod and modding tools for whatever idea somebody might have."

Im honestly curious ... why?

I mean ... did they ever promised something else and failed to deliver?
Bcs if not (and as far as i know, they didnt) ... it feels a little odd, to complain about what you got on top of what you payed for ... just bcs this bonus you got isnt "great enough" for your taste ... isnt it? :-/

I was promised the evil way, Uptown and Daisy, I didn't get that on release, I was deceived

Even though it might sound a bit hyperbolic, I think it's totally fair.

At this point it seems everyone has at least one severe issue with BG3 that causes great disappointment or even losing faith in Larian like the OP. And most of them are well justified in several threads here.

Of course, for each of those issues someone who doesn't care about this specific aspect of the game will come around and say, this was never promised, don't be so entitled, it's a business, let Larian do what they are passionate about, and so on and so forth.

But ultimately to many BG3 is a teaser of the game it should have been (as Red Queen puts it "its reach exceeded its grasp ... tantalising glimpses of what could have been ...") and still could be, if they didn't run out of passion for the project and lose interest. Edit: And here I'd like to add: it's a business! it's literally your job to cultivate and maintain passion around your projects!

Oh no, i think its perfectly fine to say something like "im not satisfied with this, im not buying next time" ... nothing wrong about that.

But talking about being decieved by something that was never promised, seems ...
I dunno, a little like you decieved yourself by your own expectations, wich were only based on your own hopes only. :-/

Yeah, a lot of disillusionment going on and probably that's a good thing. (If you're not quite ready for it yet just blame Hasbro.)

I, too, wanted to believe.

But hey, next time everything's going to be bigger and better. Did you kow they are working on test-automation? (that one made me laugh so hard when I read it in the latest ign interview)

Anyway, this has been a lovely forum (and now that the party is over, no rush fixing the underlying technology...) Bye for now.

Edit: To not come across as bitter, ironic or cynical let me just add: Like many others I'm, too, really happy for Larian that they can finally work on something that they are passionate about again. lol

Nice to know that I'm not the only one old enough to remember when Larian were big fans of and passionate about DnD and fantasy RPGs.

And while we are here: Do people really believe that Vincke is moving away from another BG3 type game because his workers aren't up for it? Nothing to do with the dumbed-down target audience and its constant need for novelty, then?

I've just watched the vid and I believe it is what the Americans would call a 'nothing burger'. Assertion after assertion without a shred of evidence. Fifteen minutes of bad-mouthing Hasbro over video of Saint Swen being a fun guy.
My favourite part was him citing Wincke saying that he found the 5e ruleset too restrictive.