Larian Studios Forums Baldur's Gate III Baldur's Gate III - Story & Character Discussion What do you think happens to DURGE after Withers banishes the 3. (Contains spoiler)

I won against her and denounced Bhaal, who killed me, then Withers came and revived me and said that I am free of Bhaals taint. That Durge did go adventuring with Astarion after the ending and at the party they both talked about how great of a time they had. So I guess, that's the happy end, going with your love interest on adventures ( or cottage core, if you romance Shadowheart) and live a normal life. People were speculating, that Durge became Jergals Chosen with that, but I don't think that is the case. He gives them a chance of a normal life, nothing more.

I don't think, the three Stooges are completely gone anyway, so if you have the unlucky ending, when you didn't win against Orin or go against Bhaals wishes, you probably will still have a miserable life.

When Durge rejects Bhaal after the Orin fight, rebels against their father and get killed and raised by Withers, the bond between spawn and demigod is broken. So here the situation is clear. I'm specifically wondering about the case where, after the defeat of Orin, you accept to become chosen of Bhaal. From then on, Bhaal expects you to follow his dogma of murder. Although you still have your personality and freedom during the game, it really comes into play after the defeat of the Netherbrain. Bhaal wants you to dominate it and use the Absolute's power to exterminate all sentient life. If you resist and kill the Netherbrain, that's when Bhaal gets really angry with you, and that is the case I was curious about. This time, the disobedience won't get you killed, but you become possessed by Bhaal and your free will is gone, even though you can still struggle somewhat in your mind, your body follows Bhaal's command. I guess that you haven't seen the camp reunion scene with Durge in this condition. It's gruesome and fascinating. Durge vaguely remembers the companions and the location, but only wants to murder everyone of the party after they go to rest. As the narrator comments, when you can't contain yourself and p** all over yourself. "You're worse than an animal".

Now, what happens at the camp after your intrusion, is left open. The game ends with Durge patiently waiting outside till everyone has gone to rest. Personally, I don't think Durge stands a chance to really kill all of them , as everyone is just as poweful as they are. And with Astarion and Withers present, it seems unlikely Durge could surprise the partymembers while they sleep.

But supposing Durge survives the raid and escapes alive, and continues to live under Bhaal's control with the sole purpose to end all life. What will happen if Bhaal is banished by Withers. It would be reasonable to believe Durge is exorcised and becomes their former self again. But maybe not, maybe they are irrecoverably lost and become some kind of monster. I was wondering about that. (Not in the least because the story/cinematics after the nertherbrain's defeat are really powerful and thought-provoking. And also, after so many hours of gameplay, I want to know what happens with my PC after the game ends.)

I read the Wiki about Bhaal and the Bhaalspawn, but that was not instructive for me. Maybe in the Forgotten Realms writings the Bhaalspawn/Bhaal relation is explained in a better way. I haven't read all this. So I was just wondering what others, who have gone through this ending, think about it.

I'm pretty sure, the three are not gone gone, slave mind Durge will still be possessed.
Those three bounced back so often and I doubt, the get written out of the pantheon honestly. But if in theory that would be the case, if Jergal or Ao would be able to really end the Dead Three, then I assume, that Durge would be in control again. If they vanish, because they are made of Bhaals essence, I'm not sure. I think they might be left a pretty broken mess and I doubt, they will be able to recover from that. I don't think, that they will cease to exist though,they still have a corporal body and when tadpoled, had a mind of their own, so I think they will continue to exist, but we probably won't ever know.

Rejecting Bhaal or rebelling against him and become a follower again later. Why should this not be possible temporarily? You can change your faith or worship several gods. Derived from this, you can always turn back to one god. Sarevok also became a champion of Bhaal again, even though he was only an ordinary human after losing his divine spark. How else could he still be alive so many decades after BG I?

Durge can't kill everyone, but he can certainly inflict great losses. This reminds on Bodhi's Hunt under the Spellhold when the HC (Abdel Adrian?) turned into the Slayer and attacked his companions during the night's rest. And the companions back then weren't exactly super strong or had special resistance powers. However, this scenario is nothing new. Just same s**t but different a*****e.

Why should Durge become a mindless monster? That didn't even happen with Sarevok and he had even lost a divine spark of Bhaal after his defeat in BG I.

During the Time of Troubles, the gods were cast out to the material plane. They still had divine power, but only to a limited extent. If Bhaal is banished by Withers, Durge could suffer the same fate as the Waukeenar, after Waukeen was additionally imprisoned by the Demon Lord Graz'zt and Liira had to help out the Waukeenar with clerical powers. There is another example. The Shadovari were also banned and could no longer support Shar. But yes. At some point they reappeared. *Cough* A very popular trend to banish powerful beings in Mysterious Artifacts.

Sarevok was brought back from death by Bhaal. In the murder tribunal, you can find a piece of a journal, where Sarevok regrets that Bhaal brought him back from the peacefulness of death, having to relearn all basic corporeal things, like breathing, again.
This brings me to another question. I read that Bhaal came back from banishment after the last Bhaalspawn died. (Absorbing the essence of the spawn and becoming whole again, or something like that.) After this, he apparently brought Sarevok back from the dead who then produced new spawn Helena and Orin. But where did PC Durge come from ? Did I miss some kind of hint in the game to explain how this new spawn came to be after the entire line died out ?

As for why I think Durge could become a monster, this idea probably came just from viewing the ending scene. The PC that you've grown to like (even as Durge) during all these hours of play, now has become a terrible being. Eyes wide open, never blinking, mouth chattering, and head jerking uncontrallably. You should see this, if you haven't yet. But even if you'd watch it in a clip from someone else, it would not have the same effect as it would not be YOUR personal PC that you see transformed like that.

Finally, for the banishment of the dead 3. It is my impression that one should take statements from Withers literally. He doesn't strike me as someone who uses figures of speech. So, when he says "thou shalt bother us no more". I take this as a judgement, meaning that the 3 will be gone and lost forever from the realms. (Or at least from any material plain where mortal souls reside) Also, he seems to speak for "the Gods" in plural, so maybe they filed filed a complaint against the 3 soul destroyers with AO and received permission to get rid of them for good.

If I remember correctly it is your butler Sceleritas Fell who tells you that you where crafted from Bhaals own blood and not born at all. Your PC is a direct offspring by some sort of blood cloning.

So I kind of support your theory that PC becomes a monster. The only way to rid yourself of Bhaal is to be born again with new blood through Withers.


I have not seen this. I am curious to see this now. And I agree with you that seeing your PC reaction/transformation in person is quite different than watching someone elses PC doing the same.

The evil-evil ending is quite good if you like monster endings. I guess it's a choice between happy monster or sad monster ending if you keep your fathers blood.

Ah, indeed the meaining of that conversation must have passed right over me. Thanks, for pointing it out again.

In this branch there are also a few options. You should try them all, but the one that had the greatest impact on me, was where I decided to have myself locked up in jail for the rest of my existence. There's then a very moving scene with Withers if you ask him to end you. Later all the branches converge to that final scene at the camp reunion. But the small Withers intervention made it even more dramatic.