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I have a major problem!!!!
I got myself a 6month old [nocando]-zu puppy. The problem is that she's still not trained. The previous owner didn't do much about her training and she puts the dog outside for an hour orso and never peeted her if she peed or pooped outside, the same way about the mess inside. never punished her for that. So the dog does not know the difference between in- and outside and even eats her poo to cover up what she did. Is there still hope for her as a 6month old dog or are there any herbs for discuraging peeing inside and helping to pee outside?
Maybe someone to help me out?

Well, they don't call the sh*t-zus for nothing you know! <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/ROFL.gif" alt="" />

Idiot jokes aside, I've had a few dogs and the one thing you need is patience. Every time she poops outside, give her praise and a treat. Every time she does it inside, you have to talk sternly to her. Shout even, but do it in a way that makes her realise she's being punished, not attacked. That will just make her afraid and she'll poop again!

Throw her out for a few minutes too if you catch her doing it inside.

Eating poop is disgusting, but all dogs do it, they're filthy buggers.

They have to be watched carefully until they learn this behaviour. Six months old isn't too old IMO. Easier to train than a cat anyway, believe me... <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/rolleyes.gif" alt="" />

She's very cute BTW.

She is very cute <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smile.gif" alt="" />

Eating poo is a sign on lacking some nutrient..... they will eat their poo to "recycle" the nutrient - trying to prevent any further losses....

The easiest way to supplement this, is to take some vegetable scraps chuck it in a blender (or grate it fine) and pour about 2 table spoons over her food every time you feed her (asuming its a her - cant remember what i read <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/evilgrin1.gif" alt="" />)

Also (and any vet will disagree with me here, and all breeders will agree with me - breeders see their dogs every day, while vets only sees them when they are sick)) giver her some RAW chicken necks... bones and all.... Chicken neck bones are the only bones that CANNOT choke a dog (which is why i use them for young dogs)... her tummy may run for 1 day, but her tummy will adjust and build up the right enzimes in no time... I feed my dogs raw bones at least 2x a week (2% of their body weight so if she weighs 1kg, you give her 20grams of raw meat. this, along with the vegie scraps, will take care of ANY nutrients they are not getting in their processed dog food(chucnks / tins).

About the training.... before you get mad at her for not listening to you.... adjust your commands a little bit...

Before you give a command, say the dog's name... this way, she will know, you are now talking to HER, and not just talking....

If she poo's inside, take her by the neck, shove her nose into the poo, and give her a smack ON THE NOSE and put her outside for a few minutes.(that is where their mothers bite them if they do something wrong, so they understand that a smack on the nose means NO DONT DO THAT - smaking on the bum takes forever for the dog to figure out it means DONT DO THAT, or the message of the smack gets lost on the LONG way to the brain.... bottom line bum smacks dont work until the dog is mature, and even then the nose works better.... on the nose you also dont have to smack hard and she will soon enough know when she does something wrong (you will see her pull a face when you lift your hand).

Teaching her to sit works the same (but very quickly if you do it when dishing out the chicken necks "treat". Tell her to sit "Woof, SIT", and push her bum down... if she stands up again, you repeat the command, and push her down again... when she stays sitting for about 5 seconds, give her the treat... after that, start doing it with all her snacks, food etc... (teaching them to sit before you give them food has the added benefit of them not bumping the bowl out your hand in a rush to get to the food)

If you take her walking, dont let her run ahead on the leash... pull her to your side and tap your leg twice (for some reason they undersrand that tapping a place means that is where you want them to be). If she pulls ahead, jerk her back(not slowly pull), and tap you leg twice again and then release the pull on the leash again... she should walk next to you without pulling on the leash within a 3 hour walking time (broken up into several walks - lets say over a 6 day time - 30 minutes each)

These 3 things make up the basics of every command. you know how to tell her NO DONT DO IT and she understands it, You know how to tell her where to come to (tapping twice on the place where you want her - she will understand that very soon). and you know how to make her sit (which will be the basic of stay later on).

Been training fox-terrorists for 5 years now and they are the most difficult to get them to "listen", and my parents were chow-chow breeders who firmly believes that puppies go our "trained" - they also included giving the owner "training" <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/evilgrin1.gif" alt="" /> (just telling them HOW to give commants etc - the same i told you now)...

Hope you cuty-pie becomes an angel in no time <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/biggrin.gif" alt="" />

That is very important.
For some reason ppl think dogs only eat meat.
Even wolves don't eat just meat.
You sometimes can see a dog grazing... that's also becouse his/her diet isn't balanced.
A dog will eat almost anything. It's also good to give them bread or other grain products. They're all very healthy.
- One of my cocker-spaniels loooooved spaghetti fi. <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/delight.gif" alt="" />

I'm not so sure about the raw meat.
These days you can't trust anything raw. (One of the reasons why vets tell you not to give it to them)
If you're really sure it's clean (no hormones, antibiotics,...) then it's ok.

About doggies

Food
1/3 Meat or fish
1/3 Vegetables
1/3 Rice or noddles

Meat : red meat raw or grilled meat don't add grease. Chicken (be carefull with bones)

Boiled vegetables : carrots, leek, green beans.

Forbidden : potatoes (sorry they are bad for dogs !), dried beans, pepper, mustard, hot spices, chocolate, fresh bread.

Toilet
- Hair brush everyday
- Teeth brush everyday
- Washing the eyes and the ears with dog products very frequently
- One bath every month if you live in the country.
One bath every week if you live in a big city.

Don't forget to protect him against fleas and ticks with veterinary products.
Don't forget to give her medics against worms at least every 6 months (for an adult dog).
Don't forget his protective inoculation every year.
If the dog don't have already a tattoo ask your veterinary to do it (or ask faile).

Exercise
Exercise is important : at least walk the dog during one hour each day.
If it is possible take it to agility training every week.

Rewards
A piece of meat or a piece of cheese or a dog bisquit. [color:"yellow"]No sugar ! [/color]

To be continued

Barta

If you read up on "holistic dog breeders", you will discover a whole society of breeders with the most healthy dogs you have ever seen.

And if you read up on WHAT goes into dogfood... you will never feed your "best friend" those things again....

Since i can remember, my parents ONLY gave our chows raw means and vegies (including corns etc in raw form), we have never had a sick dog in our time as breeders (30 years, until my dad passed away and my mom didnt want to continue). Our pups got show titles in rowfulls...

If you find the book called "Natural remedies for dogs and cats" by CJ Puotinen, you will see the difference in nutritional value and the results of years of studies, comparing raw meats / vegies and dog food brands (even the top brands).

I have a sharpei, reputed the most sickly dog breed on the planet, i have her on a 70% raw diet (i dont have the time to make it a 100% diet), she has had NO signs of the characteristic illnesses, no nothing... when i got her, she had bad entropian eyes, since i moved her to RAW, she has outgrown them completely, her skin conditions she had vanished within 3 weeks no medication.... I took her past her breeder last week (when i picked up the registration forms) and Linda was absolutely astounded at My dog's coat, behaviour (most sharpeis have a very bad behavioural problems), her general health, plus she is bigger than the other pups of the same litter.

If you are extremely scared of bacteria in raw meats, you can soak the meat in 5% Peroxide (H30) for 25 minutes, rince it off and feed it to your dog. The peroxide kills all bacteria and has added benefits of being cancer-preventative etc.

Dogs are made to eat raw meats, they survived for 6000 years before eukanuba arrived. I have never needed to treat any of my meats before feeding it to my animals, they have never gotten sick from it either... the enzimes they have in their stomachs, can kill any bacteria that can be found in meat. Cooking it kills all the nutrients that your dog needs, along with it being actually very hazardous....

I say its hazardous, because the way a dog's immune system works, causes cooked food (or foreign objects) to bring all the anti bodies in the dog's blood stream to crowd around the stomach, to protect the dog agains cooked food. Since the body only sees RAW foods as natural food, anything else you feed it, triggers this "defence mechanism". SO while the anti-bodies are trying to protect the dog from its supper, anything else can get past its defences. In RAW meats, not only does it not trigger this, but it also supplies the nutriens the dog needs to build antibodies against all the bacteria that can be found in meat, so meat will provide the dog of the anti-bodies to protect it against MEAT <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/biggrin.gif" alt="" /> (viscous circle gone the right way for a change)

As for hormones, THANK heavens the only growth hormones that is likely fed to chickens, doesnt have any effects on dogs (this has been a concern for years aswell - another reason why i prefer chicken to other meats for young dogs.

Antibiotics, even your dog food has that in.... to kill the bacteria in the fat they add to the dogfood. If the dog is healthy, the antibiotics will have no effect (in any case not any more than those in dogfoods).

If i find the files i have downloaded on dog nutrition (RAW diets vs. Branded foods), i will upload it, and paste a link.... i only have to go hunt through a terrabyte of unsorted files <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/evilgrin1.gif" alt="" />

Lady Rain: So could you feed cats the same stuff? Good work! <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/up.gif" alt="" />

the golden rule in pet-training is "Do not punish, reward!"

First if you catch the dog, pooping inside as said before put him/her outside, second if you and the dog go outside bring along some doggy-snacks, when it does it's bussines reward it with a snack, or whatever treat. This way the dog will "hold it" until he/she is outside to get the reward from leaving a present on the ground. Never hurt or raise your voice to a dog behaving bad, he/she'll actually learn what to do dto piss you off,if the dog is mad, it will behave bad because it will affect your behavior.

Last but definitly not least, don't keep a dog in a small house, when you're out to work all day, that's no way for a dog to live, if you have a garden, make sure the dog can access it when your not home, offcourse make sure he can't escape the garden. If this is not possible, turn on the radio on a low volume so the dog will think he's not alone.

[color:"pink"] ... turn on the radio on a low volume so the dog will think he's not alone. [/color] Dragh

i think the dog would've preferred Gal to switch on the computer & have BD running so she can proceed clearing up the battlefields while the owners are out. <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/rolleyes.gif" alt="" />

@ Womble -> u're a pussyman? like spick? i prefer pussy cats myself. <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/tongue.gif" alt="" />

@ Lady Rain & Barta -> u two make your recipes sound like one of those delicious homecook stuff. Naked Chef for doggies! <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/biggrin.gif" alt="" />

@ Gal -> she's a cute one. & by the way, i can teach up to level 10 potty training. meet me in battlefield Act 3. <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/silly.gif" alt="" />

Womble, Lady Rain, Draghermosran, Janggut, Setharmon & Barta, thank you all so much for helping me out so rapidly. I have to read everything again so I don't oversee nothing, but the main things I have read. About the raw meat, I for myself I'm not really a meat lover, aspecially when it's raw. Don't wanna be pain but I hate to touch raw meat, but for my little darling I'll do my best.
I go for a walk everyday, once in the morning and once in the evening, in between I let her out on my little terrace. I used to give her a little spank (very lightly!!) on her bum, but I'll do my best not to do that again. I did not know that potatoes were bad for dogs, always heard the opposite, won't do that again either! Turning on the radio, I will try that. The dog on the picture isn't her btw, but just a picture from the net. But she looks very much alike though, if I have a real picture I will send it right away. I hope all your tips will help me out and thanks again!! <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/wave.gif" alt="" />

Just shout when you need some more tips <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/biggrin.gif" alt="" /> and hope she turns into a little angel soon enough <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/biggrin.gif" alt="" />

doesn't need to be "raw meat" could be just a special doggy candy, our pic-nic's dno if you know them, it are this small letter shaped cookies. It's not bad for your dog either.

But yes be carefull with food around a dog, dogs are as they say around here "Saint-FreTal" or in English Saint-DevourAll. they'll try to eat most things even if they are bad for them, a cat won't eat anything "suspicious" smelling, a dog will just jump in and start feasting away. In most cases dogs will cough the bad things back up, but still it can be to late. Don't be afraid the dog won't get extremely ill, but it won't be good on the long run.

u mean dogs are bad for potatoes? <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/confused.gif" alt="" />

@ Janggut
Yeah, watch out, Potatoe attacks dog!! Very big potatoe eats Chihuahua!! <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/winkwink.gif" alt="" />

hm....
So... if we slice it up we would get potatoe WITH meat chips?
<img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/silly.gif" alt="" />
Something new... although chihuahua isn't my favorit taste of meat.
You think you can teach it to eat cows too? <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/think.gif" alt="" />
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A friend of mine, not knowing, ate dog once.
When he found out he was eating dog he asked what kind of dog it was.
The waiter told him it was “Slow Dog.” <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/biggrin.gif" alt="" />

Tsel

My doggie "Hilleke" This is the famous dog that doesn't want to be housetrained.
She still doesn't stop peeing and pooping around the house. Everytime when we start to trust her again, she does it.
I think I'm stuck with a dog that will do this for the rest of her life. She is soo stubbern. She goes out for a walk every day, three times a day, she can go at the terrace, but no, my floor is a lot cleaner for the misses. <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/memad.gif" alt="" />
I've tried everything, rub her nose in it, slap her on the nose, put her outside and that is my result.
I've heard many times that Shi-Tzu dogs are very stubbern and are determined to do their own will.
Ladies & gentlemen,
I have the most stubbern dog in the world! <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/rolleyes.gif" alt="" />

Try it the other way around. When she does it inside, ignore her completely. Don't feed her inside... Pretend like she doesn't exist. Every family member should participate. Put her outside even.
When she does it outside reward her. With some food she really likes. So she'll start asociate doing it outside with getting a reward.
Instead of punishing her for doing it inside, reward her for doing it outside.
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-Somehow I think she doesn't like to go outside in general. There's probably a reason for that. <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/think.gif" alt="" />

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A very useful tip to know: when she poops or pees somewhere, after cleaning the mess, always rince the spot with some diluted vinegar. You have do it for any kind of surface; plain floors, carpets, etc. But note that dogs always prefer a permeable surface to poop/pee, and that it's those on those surfaces that they can find back their spots easier. You'll probably have noticed that your dog gets the "habbit" to do that in specific places around your house. If you only wash those surfaces the conventionnal ways, even with soaps/cleaning products, she'll retrieve her spots by the smell and continue to do it at those places. I Have experienced that myself with my current dog. <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/winkwink.gif" alt="" />

Another thing that could help you is to regularise your dog's metabolism, if it is realizable (on your lifestyle point of view). If you make her eat, sleep, drink, do exercises always at the same times everyday, she'll most likely end up by pooping/peeing at regular times of the day too. That will help you to know when to be the most careful and to put her outside before she gets the idea of doing it inside the house.

Until she learns successfully to do her things outside, or at least during one or two weeks, you should go with her when you put her outside to poop/pee. And everytime she does it successfully, it is important to reward her warmly, and even play with her. As soon as you catch her doing it inside, and even more if you catch her in action, don't let her finish and immediately take her by the skin of her neck, show her her mess as the others explained earlier, say a firm "NO!", and put her outside, ideally until she finishes to relieve herself or poops/pees again (and don't forget to reward when she does, even if you're still angry after her <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/winkwink.gif" alt="" /> ). The most important is to always be soft, but firm and tenacious. Watch out your "body language" too, because if you react too violently, chances are that your dog will do worst.

Also, if you always say the same word when you put her outside to poop, that she does and that you reward her, after a while she might end up knowing that command and do it when you ask her to. That's how I work with my own dog, and it is something I appreciate greatly.

But finding a successful technique to educate a dog to relieve itself outside the house (as for any other training) depends greatly on the lifestyle of the owner. In some hard cases where the owners have great education difficulties with their dog or can't be present enough to supervise the dog efficiently, using a cage can be a passive mean that gives good results. I'll post about it a bit later.

As for the fact that she eats her poos, yes, it can be a sign of some nutriments lacking to her organism, but it can also be a simple "instinctive" behavior fact, the same way than dogs always trying to cuckoo with human legs is. You know, as disgusting as it can seem to us, it is a normal behavior in the wild nature that carnivorous animals eat some herbivore's excrements as well as some of their own.
But in order to find the reason why your dog does it, you'd have to talk about it with your vet. If it is a behavior fact, then you can work to make the dog loose that habit the same way than to make her loose other disturbing instinctive behaviors such as chewing your things or digging holes in the yard. If it is a nutriment problem, than your vet will be up to show you how to correct it.

Don't despair too much; you're far from being the only one with this problem persisting and there exist several means to get rid of it. You only have to find the one that suits the best to you and Hilleke. <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smile.gif" alt="" />

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See, even LaFille agrees. <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smile.gif" alt="" />
And I know she "knows" about trained dogs.
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Now, if I only could get LadyRain to react too...
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